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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #105 on: November 10, 2017, 06:56:40 AM »
Dream Theater is an absolutely amazing band.  To be able to play those songs live, perfectly (or near perfectly) is something I'll never be able to do.  But there's a part of me that knows that one reason they can do it is because of the click, and there's a tiny part of me (the purist) that mumbles "Yeah, but that's cheating."  I'm not complaining that they use a click, but it adds a homogeneity to everything, it takes just a little bit of the "live" out of the live performance.

Huh? I'd wager playing those complex sections to a click is more difficult than playing without a click.

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« Reply #106 on: November 10, 2017, 07:02:37 AM »
For me the click puts more pressure on possible screwups. How do you come back from a note played too fast or too slow with a click? ok, the click helps you being in time in the first place, but if for whatever reason you screw up isn't it harder to readjust to the click? it's like a train that can't be stopped.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #107 on: November 10, 2017, 07:06:28 AM »
The click doesn't bother me. I suppose it is an advantage when it comes to difficult sections, that it holds the tempo steady and stops those really technical bits from becoming impossible, if the whole song was to go at a quicker than normal tempo.

I wouldn't say it's cheating though. The guys still have to play those bits at album tempo and get them as good as they can. I'd say some of those sections would be close to their own technical limits of ability (and way beyond mine), so to attempt to do them any quicker would be suicide.

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« Reply #108 on: November 10, 2017, 07:19:48 AM »
For me the click puts more pressure on possible screwups. How do you come back from a note played too fast or too slow with a click? ok, the click helps you being in time in the first place, but if for whatever reason you screw up isn't it harder to readjust to the click? it's like a train that can't be stopped.

Exactly, in my experience, it takes a lot of skill to play to a click. I've played with a ton of guys who were "good" players, especially drummers, then the moment you turn a click on they fall apart.

The click doesn't bother me. I suppose it is an advantage when it comes to difficult sections, that it holds the tempo steady and stops those really technical bits from becoming impossible, if the whole song was to go at a quicker than normal tempo.

I wouldn't say it's cheating though. The guys still have to play those bits at album tempo and get them as good as they can. I'd say some of those sections would be close to their own technical limits of ability (and way beyond mine), so to attempt to do them any quicker would be suicide.

A common problem DT had previously was MP pushing the tempo in technically difficult sections (see the TGP intro runs) so a click definitely helps the other players, mainly JP and JR in that regard, but like MirrorMask just said - playing to a click starts a freight train moving and it's hard to re-calibrate if you fall off.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #109 on: November 10, 2017, 07:35:26 AM »
I remember at a guitar clinic with JP years ago when the topic came up on whether he sweep picks the intro solo to the glass prison or if he alternate picks it. His response was that it depended on MP, if the tempo is fast then JP finds it easier to sweep pick the intro. I guess with a click itís easier to not have to push yourself even further from the excitement of the live environment.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #110 on: November 10, 2017, 07:52:22 AM »
The Astonishing live wouldn't be like the studio. They have the live sound, and feel. Which is what I like to hear for a live release.

Not to mention that mind numbing guitar solo at the end of A New Beginning

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #111 on: November 10, 2017, 07:58:10 AM »
JP is on Eddie Trunk right now and he said they did not record any TA shows.  He said if you weren't there, you won't get to see it.

But we could hear it  ;)

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #112 on: November 10, 2017, 06:19:24 PM »
The Astonishing live wouldn't be like the studio. They have the live sound, and feel. Which is what I like to hear for a live release.

Not to mention that mind numbing guitar solo at the end of A New Beginning

That was the highlight of the TA shows.
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« Reply #113 on: November 11, 2017, 07:53:44 AM »
JP is on Eddie Trunk right now and he said they did not record any TA shows.  He said if you weren't there, you won't get to see it.

Don't get this mindset at all.

This whole album needs a documentary about the decision making process.

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« Reply #114 on: November 11, 2017, 07:56:46 AM »
I guess nobody read my comment about what JP said on Eddie Trunk yesterday.

He said they didn't record any TA shows.  Have to assume it's gonna be a live version of the IW&B shows?

Don't usually listen to Eddie Trunk but I'm going to try and find this online.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #115 on: November 13, 2017, 02:46:10 PM »
James is live on his FB page right now with his son Chance and he just confirmed the show Chycki was mixing is the Budokan show for a broadcast in Japan. He didnít say anything about how (or if) itís going to be released.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #116 on: November 13, 2017, 03:32:43 PM »
James is live on his FB page right now with his son Chance and he just confirmed the show Chycki was mixing is the Budokan show for a broadcast in Japan. He didnít say anything about how (or if) itís going to be released.

If it will be broadcasted then I am sure it will end up on youtube at least.  Would be nice to get that on DVD though.

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« Reply #117 on: November 13, 2017, 03:39:42 PM »
James is live on his FB page right now with his son Chance and he just confirmed the show Chycki was mixing is the Budokan show for a broadcast in Japan. He didnít say anything about how (or if) itís going to be released.

If it will be broadcasted then I am sure it will end up on youtube at least.  Would be nice to get that on DVD though.

Hope so. The last show they recorded for broadcast in Japan was Loud Park 2014 and, while it was on youtube for a while, it got taken down.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #118 on: November 16, 2017, 03:51:26 PM »
Interesting.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #119 on: November 16, 2017, 04:51:29 PM »
The freedom to vary the tempo according to mood and feel of the room is an inalienable right of performance.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #120 on: November 17, 2017, 07:54:08 AM »
They should do a double package.

Disc 1: Best songs off The Astonishing (more digestible to the general audience, people who didn't sit down for 130 minutes for the album won't do it for a live version)

Disc 2: Images and Words 2017

Wow, what an excellent idea. A "Best Of...." for the recent tours. I would love that!

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« Reply #121 on: November 18, 2017, 09:32:25 AM »
I doubt we'll get anything from The Astonishing. It seems that the band and the management are happy to move on from it all together. The fact that they removed the three TA songs from the North American leg of this tour suggests just that.  I hope I'm wrong!
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #122 on: November 28, 2017, 05:37:43 AM »


would have thought the same thing but seeing the OP was TAC i immediately thought Maiden or DT related
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #123 on: November 28, 2017, 05:47:39 AM »
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« Reply #124 on: November 28, 2017, 06:04:03 AM »
Sorry for the dumb question - is that fan art or official?
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #125 on: November 28, 2017, 06:05:16 AM »
This news is on Bravewords, right?
It's still not clear if this will be also a DVD release... let's hope for it!
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #126 on: November 28, 2017, 06:07:57 AM »
This news is on Bravewords, right?
It's still not clear if this will be also a DVD release... let's hope for it!

Yes, Bravewords

http://bravewords.com/news/dream-theater-back-to-budokan-2017-mixed-by-producer-richard-chycki-artwork-and-tracklist-revealed



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« Reply #127 on: November 28, 2017, 06:08:12 AM »
Yay then!
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« Reply #128 on: November 28, 2017, 06:32:59 AM »
They say the tracklist was revealed, but they just copied the songs from setlist.fm :lol
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #129 on: November 28, 2017, 06:36:01 AM »
Sorry for the dumb question - is that fan art or official?

Sorry, I was posting while running out the door to bring my kids to school. I thought I posted the link.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #130 on: November 28, 2017, 06:43:49 AM »
It's a TV release, there's been no confirmation for tracklist or release on other platforms.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #131 on: November 28, 2017, 06:52:09 AM »
The article lists 3 discs in the tracklist.

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« Reply #132 on: November 28, 2017, 06:55:23 AM »
The article lists 3 discs in the tracklist.

Set 1
Set 2
encore?

They could fit it all in two discs, but it's kinda weird to have, say, Pull Me Under and Another Day at the end of disc 1 after Breaking All Illusions.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #133 on: November 28, 2017, 07:17:30 AM »
Wow, I hope this is a DVD that would be great.

Even if it's just a CD, it'll still be cool to have this tour documented like that.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #134 on: November 28, 2017, 07:24:09 AM »
http://bravewords.com/news/dream-theater-back-to-budokan-2017-mixed-by-producer-richard-chycki-artwork-and-tracklist-revealed

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"Mixed Dream Theaterís Budokan live show celebrating Images, Words & Beyond for broadcast by wowow."

The show took place on September 11th, 2017 at the Budokan in Tokyo, Japan.The tracklist for the package is available below. More details will be revealed soon

Disc 1
 "Opening (The Colonel)"
 "The Dark Eternal Night"
 "The Bigger Picture"
 "Hell's Kitchen"
 "The Gift of Music"
 "Our New World"
 "Portrait of Tracy" (John Myung solo)
 "As I Am"
 "Breaking All Illusions"

Disc 2
 "Pull Me Under"
 "Another Day"
 "Take the Time" (extended outro with John Petrucci guitar solo)
 "Surrounded"
 "Metropolis Pt. 1" (with Mike Mangini drum solo)
 "Under a Glass Moon" 08.
 "Wait for Sleep" (with extended keyboard intro)
 "Learning to Live"

Disc 3
 "A Change of Seasons"

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #135 on: November 28, 2017, 07:47:28 AM »
This could also be part of a Japan-only release (aside from the confirmed TV transmission). King Crimson just released a Live in Vienna live album for Japan only.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #136 on: November 28, 2017, 08:01:57 AM »
This could also be part of a Japan-only release (aside from the confirmed TV transmission). King Crimson just released a Live in Vienna live album for Japan only.

Why would a band do this?

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #137 on: November 28, 2017, 08:50:17 AM »
Set list looks cool, except for Dark Eternal Crap.

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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #138 on: November 28, 2017, 08:55:27 AM »
Set list looks cool, except for Dark Eternal Crap.
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Re: Richard Chycki says he's currently mixing a DT live album
« Reply #139 on: November 28, 2017, 09:11:53 AM »
This could also be part of a Japan-only release (aside from the confirmed TV transmission). King Crimson just released a Live in Vienna live album for Japan only.

Why would a band do this?

Sometimes promoters and labels push the artist to do this. That's why you get bonus tracks in a lot of the artists' Japanese releases so they encourage sales within the country. King Crimson just released a bunch of the Collector's Club releases to the Japanese markets as well. I think they (King Crimson) will be touring Japan soon since they are aggressively releasing previous albums over there. And DT just toured there as well and I'm pretty sure the reception was overwhelming.
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