Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)

[bosk1]

They were an hour and 45 minutes.  A full headline set.  I expect it to be the same, that's kind of normal for a MP band to play a full show.  It's not like they are touring with a big opening band that commands a long set either. 

If they can, I think it would be good for them to maybe find another band that is a similar draw and do a co-headlining tour.  Out here, they were playing big clubs and small theaters, and having trouble in some markets selling those to capacity.  I think they could sell out those types of venues and possibly even move up to slightly bigger ones if they co-headlined with, say, Queensryche for example (who has been in about the same boat, I believe).

[RodrigoAltaf]

I'd love to see SOA booked with a similar act like Queensryche, or even supporting a band like Judas Priest.

[bosk1]

Yeah, they just need to be smart about gaining exposure.  I don't think they will be able to stick together as a band by having Groupon sell half the tickets to a smallish venue.

[cramx3]

Yea, I'm on board with those ideas.  Just get the feeling the band doesn't want to even try going those routes.  Playing to their same fans doesnt gain you new ones. 

[Setlist Scotty]

Yea, I'm on board with those ideas.  Just get the feeling the band doesn't want to even try going those routes.  Playing to their same fans doesnt gain you new ones.

Given that MP and DS are steering the ship on this one, and especially that MP is taking on a role similar to what he did in DT and that he is pretty savvy at this sort of thing, I'm sure he's already thought about that. Perhaps there weren't any offers made to them thus far. Or maybe the offers weren't worthwhile. If they are given a good opportunity to open for a bigger band, I can't imagine them taking it.

[ProfessorPeart]

Great points regarding a package deal of some sort. I know MP tried to get the Galactic Cowboys to tour with them on the first run and they declined. I would have attended if the Cowboys were there. Since they weren't, I passed.

Doesn't help that they keep playing the Arcada either. While I love the venue, the promoter overcharges immensely. That's another factor for me. Paying $40-$80 for a band with only 1 or 2 albums is steep, regardless of the members.

[Madman Shepherd]

From the band's facebook page:

The album title was inspired by a simple chronological fact. “This will be released in mid-January 2020,” says Portnoy. “That means it will be one of the first releases in what is a new decade.

Ummm, if I am not mistaken this decade started on January 1st, 2011 and will end on December 31st, 2020. Correct? So the new decade will start on January 1st, 2021 not 2020 as MP said.

Next you're gonna tell us we're not living in the 20th century! 

 

What?

18th century = 1800s, 19th century = 1900s, right? MMXX = new decade, right? Ah forget it.

No.

21st Century = 2000s
20th Century = 1900s
19th Century = 1800s

etc

OMG, so this isn't the 20th century and MMXX isn't a new decade?!

Anyway, yeah I know. Either my initial joke was too subversive or it just wasn't funny. Probably a little of both but more the latter.

Anyway, looking forward to Sons of Apollo's final album.

[Samsara]

Great points regarding a package deal of some sort. I know MP tried to get the Galactic Cowboys to tour with them on the first run and they declined. I would have attended if the Cowboys were there. Since they weren't, I passed.

Doesn't help that they keep playing the Arcada either. While I love the venue, the promoter overcharges immensely. That's another factor for me. Paying $40-$80 for a band with only 1 or 2 albums is steep, regardless of the members.

Slightly off-topic, but the latter is why I skipped seeing The Winery Dogs in my town. They played a venue that ridiculously overprices everything. I wasn't paying 75 bucks after charges for a seat. Not for The Winery Dogs. They are a club band. 25 or 30 bucks. I don't remember how much SOA's ticket was. I want to say it was $35. But that show was at a different venue. Where SOA played was Live Nation. Where Winery Dogs played it was independent. Which is probably the "why" behind the prices, but still.

[Orbert]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

They should get Barbara Walters to host the New Year's Eve on TV this year, then she can say "I'm Barbara Walters and this is 2020"

[ProfessorPeart]

Great points regarding a package deal of some sort. I know MP tried to get the Galactic Cowboys to tour with them on the first run and they declined. I would have attended if the Cowboys were there. Since they weren't, I passed.

Doesn't help that they keep playing the Arcada either. While I love the venue, the promoter overcharges immensely. That's another factor for me. Paying $40-$80 for a band with only 1 or 2 albums is steep, regardless of the members.

Slightly off-topic, but the latter is why I skipped seeing The Winery Dogs in my town. They played a venue that ridiculously overprices everything. I wasn't paying 75 bucks after charges for a seat. Not for The Winery Dogs. They are a club band. 25 or 30 bucks. I don't remember how much SOA's ticket was. I want to say it was $35. But that show was at a different venue. Where SOA played was Live Nation. Where Winery Dogs played it was independent. Which is probably the "why" behind the prices, but still.

Exactly. I saw The Winery Dogs on the first leg of the first tour. Tickets were around $25-$30. The second leg, they played The Arcada. Promoter wanted $75. I skipped. I skipped the last tour as well for the same reason.

[Anguyen92]

Great points regarding a package deal of some sort. I know MP tried to get the Galactic Cowboys to tour with them on the first run and they declined. I would have attended if the Cowboys were there. Since they weren't, I passed.

Doesn't help that they keep playing the Arcada either. While I love the venue, the promoter overcharges immensely. That's another factor for me. Paying $40-$80 for a band with only 1 or 2 albums is steep, regardless of the members.

Slightly off-topic, but the latter is why I skipped seeing The Winery Dogs in my town. They played a venue that ridiculously overprices everything. I wasn't paying 75 bucks after charges for a seat. Not for The Winery Dogs. They are a club band. 25 or 30 bucks. I don't remember how much SOA's ticket was. I want to say it was $35. But that show was at a different venue. Where SOA played was Live Nation. Where Winery Dogs played it was independent. Which is probably the "why" behind the prices, but still.

I saw Winery Dogs for $14.00 in Anaheim thanks to Groupon.  Capacity was 1,700 people.  Saw probably around 500-1000 people show up.  Great show though.  Promoters shouldn't really book shows in LA and Anaheim in the same week for niche bands.  You can really over-saturate a band like that and kill a show's attendance that way.

[Stadler]

^ It's not even niche bands.  I was commenting on Eddie Trunk's site about Kiss's tour, and they've done really well.  They've been over 90% capacity on all but three of their first leg shows, many at 100%, and the first not over 90% was Anaheim at 75%.

[hefdaddy42]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

It's not pronounced "Twenty twenty".  It's pronounced "Two thousand twenty".

Just like the number of the beast is not "six six six".  It's "six hundred sixty six".  That's the number.

[cramx3]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

It's not pronounced "Twenty twenty".  It's pronounced "Two thousand twenty".

Just like the number of the beast is not "six six six".  It's "six hundred sixty six".  That's the number.

From insideout's Facebook page:

Sons Of Apollo--featuring Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, Billy Sheehan, and Jeff Scott Soto --are ready to ring in the new decade with a sonic boom with their second studio album, appropriately titled, ‘MMXX’ (pronounced: 20/20).

I get what your saying, but the band seems to want it be called twenty twenty

[hefdaddy42]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

It's not pronounced "Twenty twenty".  It's pronounced "Two thousand twenty".

Just like the number of the beast is not "six six six".  It's "six hundred sixty six".  That's the number.

From insideout's Facebook page:

Sons Of Apollo--featuring Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, Billy Sheehan, and Jeff Scott Soto --are ready to ring in the new decade with a sonic boom with their second studio album, appropriately titled, ‘MMXX’ (pronounced: 20/20).

I get what your saying, but the band seems to want it be called twenty twenty

I get what they want it to be called, but then they went and marked it up with MMXX.  It's wrong, and it's kind of a stupid wrong to be.

[Lonk]

So now we dictate if an artist is wrong for (purposely) pronouncing the album name differently than what you believe it should be?

Anyways, I'll check it out with low expections. If I'm blown away, great, if the album is just meh, at least I won't be disappointed.

Also, Re: Decades. A decade is a period of 10 years, but in terms of our calendar and how we measure time, the new decade starts on January 1st, 2020, not 2021. Same how the new millenium started on January 1st, 2000, Not 2001. 

[MirrorMask]

Also, Re: Decades. A decade is a period of 10 years, but in terms of our calendar and how we measure time, the new decade starts on January 1st, 2020, not 2021. Same how the new millenium started on January 1st, 2000, Not 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_millennium

In contemporary history, the third millennium of the anno Domini or Common Era in the Gregorian calendar is the current millennium spanning the years 2001 to 3000 (21st to 30th centuries). It differs from the millennium of the 2000s, which spans the years 2000 to 2999.

Even though if you click a bit lower on the decade of the 2000s, it says The 2000s (pronounced "two-thousands") was a decade of the Gregorian calendar that began on January 1, 2000, and ended on December 31, 2009.

[gzarruk]

Anyways, I'll check it out with low expections. If I'm blown away, great, if the album is just meh, at least I won't be disappointed.

I'll be greatly surprised if it's at least a little bit better than the first one, which wasn't too good in my book, but I kept a few songs from it anyway.

[The Letter M]

Let's all be glad that they didn't name it "XXX" like Asia did for an album. Trying to google "Asia XXX" isn't very easy or SFW...

As for the title, it's definitely cheesy in a metal-sort-of-way, but I like it. I'm hopeful that the new material is a bit more ear-catching for me than the first album, which was *fine*, but nothing stood out for me and I haven't really listened to it much since its release.

-Marc.

[cramx3]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

It's not pronounced "Twenty twenty".  It's pronounced "Two thousand twenty".

Just like the number of the beast is not "six six six".  It's "six hundred sixty six".  That's the number.

From insideout's Facebook page:

Sons Of Apollo--featuring Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, Billy Sheehan, and Jeff Scott Soto --are ready to ring in the new decade with a sonic boom with their second studio album, appropriately titled, ‘MMXX’ (pronounced: 20/20).

I get what your saying, but the band seems to want it be called twenty twenty

I get what they want it to be called, but then they went and marked it up with MMXX.  It's wrong, and it's kind of a stupid wrong to be.

I dont understand the logic, it's a form of art and that's their interpretation.  It's kind of cheesy to me, I don't love or hate it though, but its hard to say their artistic expression of a date is wrong even if factually it may be. 

[bosk1]

Let's all be glad that they didn't name it "XXX" like Asia did for an album. Trying to google "Asia XXX" isn't very easy or SFW...

[Orbert]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

It's not pronounced "Twenty twenty".  It's pronounced "Two thousand twenty".

Just like the number of the beast is not "six six six".  It's "six hundred sixty six".  That's the number.

I'm not saying that the number represented by Roman numerals MMXX is prounced "twenty twenty"; I'm saying that the title of the album MMXX is pronounced "twenty twenty" and I like that because I like the sound of it.  That's why I specified that in my above statement.  I know how to pronounce numbers.

[Orbert]

Hey, for a fun exercise, say the following numbers out loud:

1820
1920
2020

[MoraWintersoul]

  May I remind this forum that we all went ahead and called DT's self-titled DT12! If the band says "yeah, we call it 2020", might as well. This is just easier to google.

[Stadler]

I dont understand the logic, it's a form of art and that's their interpretation.  It's kind of cheesy to me, I don't love or hate it though, but its hard to say their artistic expression of a date is wrong even if factually it may be.

This.

I'm half in agreement with Hef, though.  I don't understand the reference to the Number Of The Beast (Bruce is CLEARLY singing "six! six! six!" and it's not uncommon for the number of the beast to be phrased as "six, six, six", much like area codes are enunciated in numbers), but if the band wanted it pronounced "20/20" AND they wanted it grammatically correct, they could have written it "20/20", or "XX/XX". 

[hefdaddy42]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

It's not pronounced "Twenty twenty".  It's pronounced "Two thousand twenty".

Just like the number of the beast is not "six six six".  It's "six hundred sixty six".  That's the number.

From insideout's Facebook page:

Sons Of Apollo--featuring Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, Billy Sheehan, and Jeff Scott Soto --are ready to ring in the new decade with a sonic boom with their second studio album, appropriately titled, ‘MMXX’ (pronounced: 20/20).

I get what your saying, but the band seems to want it be called twenty twenty

I get what they want it to be called, but then they went and marked it up with MMXX.  It's wrong, and it's kind of a stupid wrong to be.

I dont understand the logic, it's a form of art and that's their interpretation.  It's kind of cheesy to me, I don't love or hate it though, but its hard to say their artistic expression of a date is wrong even if factually it may be.

Look, I don't even like the band that much, so there is only so much of a shit I give about this.

But I don't buy the "artistic expression" line.  It's just a mistake.  I am not going to pretend it's not a mistake.  I am not extending the benefit of the doubt.

If they want to name it MMXX because Roman numerals are cool AND pronounce it "Twenty Twenty" then they are wrong about one of those choices.  "Twenty Twenty" in Roman Numerals would XX XX. 

Hey, I haven't been pedantic in a while. 

That is all.

EDIT:  There you go, Stads.

[bosk1]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

It's not pronounced "Twenty twenty".  It's pronounced "Two thousand twenty".

Just like the number of the beast is not "six six six".  It's "six hundred sixty six".  That's the number.

From insideout's Facebook page:

Sons Of Apollo--featuring Mike Portnoy, Derek Sherinian, Ron "Bumblefoot" Thal, Billy Sheehan, and Jeff Scott Soto --are ready to ring in the new decade with a sonic boom with their second studio album, appropriately titled, ‘MMXX’ (pronounced: 20/20).

I get what your saying, but the band seems to want it be called twenty twenty

I get what they want it to be called, but then they went and marked it up with MMXX.  It's wrong, and it's kind of a stupid wrong to be.

I dont understand the logic, it's a form of art and that's their interpretation.  It's kind of cheesy to me, I don't love or hate it though, but its hard to say their artistic expression of a date is wrong even if factually it may be.

Look, I don't even like the band that much, so there is only so much of a shit I give about this.

But I don't buy the "artistic expression" line.  It's just a mistake.  I am not going to pretend it's not a mistake.  I am not extending the benefit of the doubt.

If they want to name it MMXX because Roman numerals are cool AND pronounce it "Twenty Twenty" then they are wrong about one of those choices.  "Twenty Twenty" in Roman Numerals would XX XX. 

Hey, I haven't been pedantic in a while. 

That is all.

EDIT:  There you go, Stads.

Wrong.

[Orbert]

MMXX in Roman numerals is exactly equal to 2020 in Arabic numerals, and many people pronounce 2020 as "twenty twenty".  Doesn't matter if it's technically incorrect according to some book or reference, if people pronounce it that way and it is a common interpretation, then it's a valid pronunciation.  Language, especially vernacular, is fluid and dynamic.  I've had the exact same argument thrown at me for being a pedant.

[Lupton]

If the number is in reference to a year then it makes sense to say "twenty twenty" -- because that's how all years are always verbalized. No one ever says: "I was born in the year one thousand nine hundred and seventy five." Also, it shouldn't make a difference if the number in question is expressed in either roman or numeric numerals.

[hefdaddy42]

Yeah.

[Stadler]

If the number is in reference to a year then it makes sense to say "twenty twenty" -- because that's how all years are always verbalized. No one ever says: "I was born in the year one thousand nine hundred and seventy five." Also, it shouldn't make a difference if the number in question is expressed in either roman or numeric numerals.

Paul McCartney does. 

[Lupton]

If the number is in reference to a year then it makes sense to say "twenty twenty" -- because that's how all years are always verbalized. No one ever says: "I was born in the year one thousand nine hundred and seventy five." Also, it shouldn't make a difference if the number in question is expressed in either roman or numeric numerals.

Paul McCartney does. 

LOL Well then, I suppost I stand corrected. 

Didn't Paul also thank the superbowl itself when he did the halftime show? "Thank you superbowl!" Don't know why I think that's so funny.

OK de-railing over, I may actually check this release out if Bumblefoot says they spent more time on the songs.

[DragonAttack]

I kinda like the title "MMXX" but only because it's pronounced "Twenty-twenty" and I think Roman Numerals are cool.

They should get Barbara Walters to host the New Year's Eve on TV this year, then she can say "I'm Barbara Walters and this is 2020"

Maybe the new album will start with Gilda Radner saying, "This is Babahwa Wawa, and this is twenty twenty" with the band then blasting away.  That might be the only thing to make me take notice of this release.

[RodrigoAltaf]

This is how the album starts: https://youtu.be/1JJuffjeSro

Who hears a touch of DT's New Millennium?

[Adami]

This is how the album starts: https://youtu.be/1JJuffjeSro

Who hears a touch of DT's New Millennium?

Time stamp? Not listening to a 20 min thing