Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)

[Orbert]

I’m sorry I don’t follow! Can you be specific?

DS childish insults?

DS and MP have brought this on themselves? What have the brought on and what have they actually done?

Have you read this thread at all?  Start with that.  If 70 pages is too much to read, start on page 2.

[shadystraz360]

he’s more of a dick that I am also!

No doubt about that 😉😉

[No Filter Loki]

I’m sorry I don’t follow! Can you be specific?

DS childish insults?

DS and MP have brought this on themselves? What have the brought on and what have they actually done?

Have you read this thread at all?  Start with that.  If 70 pages is too much to read, start on page 2.

Way too much to bother reading, thanks for the help though 👍🏻

[No Filter Loki]

Yo Yo Yo,

There seems to be a lot of hate towards DS and SOA, can anyone please enlighten me as to why?

Thanks in advance, I need educating here  😊

Welcome to the forum, Derek.

Hi James, I’m not Derek 😘

[?]

I'd rather see 6 tablets than 5 Sons of Apollo.

I also made my own edit version, where I omitted the first 9 songs.

Savage

[Sycsa]

Unfortunately, Derek and Mike created their own problem.

Before this project and all the shenanigans that came with it, Derek was generally regarded as a funny (making history, and you?) and classy (no negative comments about DT, despite being fired over the phone) guy around here. He really put in a lot of effort to completely shatter that image.

I’m sorry I don’t follow! Can you be specific?

DS childish insults?

DS and MP have brought this on themselves? What have the brought on and what have they actually done?

This arrogant comment addressed to a critical fan made some people not want to support him financially.



Also, he's constantly taking cheap shots at DT and Jordan, none of which are the least bit funny. Actually, my biggest gripe with all of this is that he's just not funny, there's no redeeming quality to his antics, yet it's so obvious that he's trying so hard to be funny. He's just obnoxious. He really strikes me, to put it mildly, as an unintelligent person. And MP enables his childish behavior by calling it "Del Fuvian Bravado" and "Sherinianisms."

Even the people on Mike's own forum got ticked off by Derek, to the point where Mike said this:

I suppose Derek's "Sherinianisms" and "Del Fuvio Bravado" tainted the waters here on The Forums... Shame if you let that spoil this band/album for you...

...then proceeded to shut the whole forum down while saying this:

Actually....I think it's time for a Permanent Vacation... Sorry gang....just way too much bickering and negativity. It's time to move on...it was fun while it lasted, but I can only take so much and I'm not interested in playing host to it anymore.

So Derek's rudeness stirred up some nerves, and Mike put all the blame on his own fans. Classy.


He also had this to say about DTF:



Such an aura of toxicity that surrounds these two people.

[The Walrus]

People just don't have the time for peace, love, and serenity anymore

[MirrorMask]

Well, to be fair, the explanation DT gave - firing him over a conference call because they didn't want to actually board a plane and travel just to be fired - seems acceptable to me.

The guy was going to get the boot anyway, why "lure" him with "Hey there's this important band meeting, you really have to be here, buy a ticket and board a plane and find yourself an hotel" and then just go "Sorry dude, we like Jordan Rudess, he's in, you're out"?

[Sycsa]

Well, to be fair, the explanation DT gave - firing him over a conference call because they didn't want to actually board a plane and travel just to be fired - seems acceptable to me.

The guy was going to get the boot anyway, why "lure" him with "Hey there's this important band meeting, you really have to be here, buy a ticket and board a plane and find yourself an hotel" and then just go "Sorry dude, we like Jordan Rudess, he's in, you're out"?

Oh yeah, no doubt. I was just phrasing it like that for effect, but yeah, the point was: "no negative comments about DT, despite being fired." Whether it was over the phone or not isn't relevant.

[MirrorMask]

Anyway, I agree with you, up until Sons of Apollo Derek had absolutely nothing against him, since he never said anything bad about DT and even guest starred with them for the WDADR show.

[gzarruk]

Just another reason why this band won't see a single penny from me.

I'd love to see a Trump vs. Sons of Apollo twitter battle.

Derek'd be like #NoMexicoWall

[portnoy311]

MP is just as culpable as Derek. I don't see much difference in what they've said and done and are a PR disaster tag team.

[PetFish]

DS has been talking shit just recently while MP has been talking shit since he left so right now I'd say it's about even.

[wolfking]

We are trolls over here according to MIke?  haha, Well all of these trolls here have spent hard on money on his work for years and years and that's the thanks we get.  Nice.

[Madman Shepherd]

Never Enough.

AmIright?

[ReaperKK]

Yo Yo Yo,

There seems to be a lot of hate towards DS and SOA, can anyone please enlighten me as to why?

Thanks in advance, I need educating here  😊

Welcome to the forum, Derek.

No lie I thought the exact same thing Kev

[SystematicThought]

 

It has to be Derek. All of his posts are ripping on James and the band and his first post was here in the Sons of Apollo. It just has to be

[ReaperKK]

Whether it is Derek or not, I choose to believe it is. It'll make everything more entertaining

[Madman Shepherd]

Wouldn't be the first ex band member to post here. Didnt one or two actually get banned?

[shadystraz360]

It has to be Derek. All of his posts are ripping on James and the band and his first post was here in the Sons of Apollo. It just has to be

Whether it is Derek or not, I choose to believe it is. It'll make everything more entertaining

Seriously??   
Fans are entitled to opinions about others surely

[shadystraz360]

Wouldn't be the first ex band member to post here. Didnt one or two actually get banned?

Charlie was i believe....

[Fritzinger]

Wouldn't be the first ex band member to post here. Didnt one or two actually get banned?

Charlie was i believe....

Charlie was banned from here? Why is that? I have him as FB friend and I always had the impression of him being a pretty nice dude.

Whether it is Derek or not, I choose to believe it is. It'll make everything more entertaining

I thought the same thing and I am going to do the same thing

[ariich]

It has to be Derek. All of his posts are ripping on James and the band and his first post was here in the Sons of Apollo. It just has to be

Whether it is Derek or not, I choose to believe it is. It'll make everything more entertaining

Seriously??   
Fans are entitled to opinions about others surely

Apparently not. Only one opinion is allowed.

[Sycsa]

Wouldn't be the first ex band member to post here. Didnt one or two actually get banned?

I remember David Prater (he produced I&W and ACoS) coming here anonymously when the discussion was about his feud with MP and JP as described in Lifting Shadows (by far the most entertaining part of the book btw!). He posed as someone who knew Prater and proceeded to defend him vigorously while badmouthing DT. He was called out as Prater after his very first comment, which was hilarious. Also, someone tracked down that his username was Prater’s former band or studio or something like that, so it was definitely him.

Anyway, it also instantly crossed my mind that this guy might be Derek. He apparently has an insane amount of free time to dick around with social media, so it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. I wonder what his thought process might have been here: “So I went to that cesspool which is DTF and asked what their problem was with me, and of course no one could give me a straight answer, they’re just haters, and they’re jealous, I knew it.”

Problem is, he actually got some answers, and conveniently disappeared afterwards.

[MirrorMask]

He was called out as Prater after his very first comment, which was hilarious.

This made me remember of a famous scene from italian comedy - there's this series of movies about a very down on his luck clerk that never ever has anything good going for him, he's the epitome of the frustrated, average guy, think 6:00 taken to the most extreme and comical levels of bad luck. There's this scene in which he attempts to blackmail the director of his firm, and he goes to great and comical lengths to disguise his voice for a prank call, and the moment the director picks up the phone and he talks with an absolutely distorted voice, the director immediately calls him out asking (correctly) if it's him 

Kind a similar situation here..
"I'll pretend I'll be someone close to Prater"
"Prater, is that you?"
"FUUUUUUU"

 

[wolfking]

Just read that guys posts, has to be Derek.

Welcome to the board Derek.  Too bad you missed out on playing on the good DT albums.  I'll let you off though for ACOS. 

[noxon]

Nah, it's not Derek. But it's a fanboy for sure, probably close to Derek. Probably gotten close through sucking up, and is now running around the internet trolling to "protect his dear friend". I think I've seen him on the fan club facebook page too... If it is who I think it is, he runs a group with Straz as an "unofficial SoA fan club"...

[Cyclopssss]

Personally, I think 70 pages of discussion is a bit too much credit for this average an album, but hey..... 

[Sycsa]

He was called out as Prater after his very first comment, which was hilarious.

This made me remember of a famous scene from italian comedy - there's this series of movies about a very down on his luck clerk that never ever has anything good going for him, he's the epitome of the frustrated, average guy, think 6:00 taken to the most extreme and comical levels of bad luck. There's this scene in which he attempts to blackmail the director of his firm, and he goes to great and comical lengths to disguise his voice for a prank call, and the moment the director picks up the phone and he talks with an absolutely distorted voice, the director immediately calls him out asking (correctly) if it's him 

Kind a similar situation here..
"I'll pretend I'll be someone close to Prater"
"Prater, is that you?"
"FUUUUUUU"

 

That sounds absolutely hilarious. What is the title of the movie? Is that scene on YouTube by chance?

[MirrorMask]

The movie is called Il Secondo Tragico Fantozzi - meaning "The second tragic Fantozzi", second movie in a series about the titular character, Fantozzi.

You can see the scene here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTwRfHqzIJM

The whole scene is the preparation on how to disguise the voice ("Go inside the pot! Do a swedish accent! Block your nose with the clothespin" etc), even if you don't know italian, you'll surely get the hang of it 

The immediate answer of the director ("Fantocci, is that you?" - Fantocci and not Fantozzi 'cause no one is bothered to learn the proper name of the guy) is kinda classic in Italy, everyone here knows it 

[The Walrus]

Some more Sherinianisms:

BTW, this comment is no longer on the thread. Given Derek and Mike's tendencies to delete comments/block people, they probably removed it! omg 

[Schurftkut]

that's sad....

[Sycsa]

The movie is called Il Secondo Tragico Fantozzi - meaning "The second tragic Fantozzi", second movie in a series about the titular character, Fantozzi.

You can see the scene here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTwRfHqzIJM

The whole scene is the preparation on how to disguise the voice ("Go inside the pot! Do a swedish accent! Block your nose with the clothespin" etc), even if you don't know italian, you'll surely get the hang of it 

The immediate answer of the director ("Fantocci, is that you?" - Fantocci and not Fantozzi 'cause no one is bothered to learn the proper name of the guy) is kinda classic in Italy, everyone here knows it 

That's hilarious, even though I don't speak Italian, I laughed out loud. The way he immediately smacks the phone down. How you connected it to the Prater case makes it even more funny.

[PixelDream]

Wow, a bit shocked about that MP post about DTF. I've been here all these years and I haven't seen that much negativity here to be honest. Negative posters seem to get their ass handed to them soon enough every time one pops up. This is a fantastic place to discover new music from all kinds of genres with people who come from the 'DT universe'. Guess he just can't handle ANY criticism. I'm a huge MP fan when it comes to DT, but this really isn't cool. Not cool at all.

[MirrorMask]

The movie is called Il Secondo Tragico Fantozzi - meaning "The second tragic Fantozzi", second movie in a series about the titular character, Fantozzi.

You can see the scene here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTwRfHqzIJM

The whole scene is the preparation on how to disguise the voice ("Go inside the pot! Do a swedish accent! Block your nose with the clothespin" etc), even if you don't know italian, you'll surely get the hang of it 

The immediate answer of the director ("Fantocci, is that you?" - Fantocci and not Fantozzi 'cause no one is bothered to learn the proper name of the guy) is kinda classic in Italy, everyone here knows it 

That's hilarious, even though I don't speak Italian, I laughed out loud. The way he immediately smacks the phone down. How you connected it to the Prater case makes it even more funny.

Glad that you liked it! As I said that scene is very famous in Italy, so it immediately comes to mind when the argument is "Someone makes a lot of effort to go undetected and is discovered in a nanosecond", like I read it happened with Prater's first post