Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)

[SwedishGoose]

I am going to post this on both threads because I forget which one is which, but Jordan "responded" to Derek's comments. This is from Jordan's Facebook page

Christian Francisco what is your take on derrek's youtube statement?
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Jordan Rudess
Jordan Rudess 

I believe his smilie was in reply to my answer to the comment:

They have nothing to gain in responding to his immature social media taunts.
Better to just let him make a fool of himself.

[bill1971]

The smile could be on response to the first comment:

They have nothing to gain in responding to his immature social media taunts.
Better to just let him make a fool of himself.

Correct, it was.  Swedishgoose from DTF posted the defense and JR liked it.

Where and what was the defense? On Facebook or Youtube?

[SwedishGoose]

On facebook

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155204726027989&id=8717682988

[Mebert78]

Can I get a TLDR on DS's behvariour? What happened there? I tuned out after I heard the first song - not my cup of tea.

99% of the times he was tweeting about the band, he was using hashtag to antagonize and mock DT: #noipads, #nocheesyvocals, #nodroidbullshit etc etc, every post essentially 9 times out of 10 was a stab at DT, his entire hype campaign was based on the concept "We're not doing what those losers in DT are doing".

Or, if you're of a different opinion, just having some fun and poking fun at his old band and the inevitable comparisons between the two. 

He never once called them "losers" or anything like that, and he at one point acknowledged that it was all a joke and poking fun.   

Where did he do that?

Not sure, but I'm also not sure it matters.

I didn't mention this earlier in the week, because there was enough discussion about Sherinian's antics, but the latest issue of Prog magazine has a three-page article about Sons of Apollo with quotes from Portnoy and Sherinian.  I apologize if someone else mentioned it, as it's been a busy week for me.  Anyway, toward the end of the piece, Sherinian starts talking about how he's read a lot of online reaction about DT's The Astonishing and how it's very "Walt Disney."  He then proceeded to invite DT fans who are not happy with the band's direction in recent years to find what they've been missing in Sons of Apollo.  He also said he hopes the arrival of SoA will help inspire DT to make better music going forward.  Those weren't his exact words, I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the story in front of me right now, but you get the idea.

[mikeyd23]

I didn't mention this earlier in the week, because there was enough discussion about Sherinian's antics, but the latest issue of Prog magazine has a three-page article about Sons of Apollo with quotes from Portnoy and Sherinian.  I apologize if someone else mentioned it, as it's been a busy week for me.  Anyway, toward the end of the piece, Sherinian starts talking about how he's read a lot of online reaction about DT's The Astonishing and how it was very "Walt Disney."  He then proceeded to invite DT fans who are not happy with the band's direction in recent years to find what they've been missing in Sons of Apollo.  He also said he hopes that the arrival of SoA will help inspire DT to make better music going forward.  Those weren't his exact words, I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the story in front of me right now, but you get the idea.

Eh, there are so many things.... I guess I still just don't get it, but whatever. Seems counterproductive for SoA to have MP and DS approaching things like that. All they would have to say is that they understand Mike and Derek have many fans who are DT fans and they hope those folks will check out their new record because they are really proud of it. No need to go out of their way to call things "Disney" or talk about fans that don't like DT's direction or anything.

[majo]

I didn't mention this earlier in the week, because there was enough discussion about Sherinian's antics, but the latest issue of Prog magazine has a three-page article about Sons of Apollo with quotes from Portnoy and Sherinian.  I apologize if someone else mentioned it, as it's been a busy week for me.  Anyway, toward the end of the piece, Sherinian starts talking about how he's read a lot of online reaction about DT's The Astonishing and how it was very "Walt Disney."  He then proceeded to invite DT fans who are not happy with the band's direction in recent years to find what they've been missing in Sons of Apollo.  He also said he hopes that the arrival of SoA will help inspire DT to make better music going forward.  Those weren't his exact words, I'm paraphrasing because I don't have the story in front of me right now, but you get the idea.

Eh, there are so many things.... I guess I still just don't get it, but whatever. Seems counterproductive for SoA to have MP and DS approaching things like that. All they would have to say is that they understand Mike and Derek have many fans who are DT fans and they hope those folks will check out their new record because they are really proud of it. No need to go out of their way to call things "Disney" or talk about fans that don't like DT's direction or anything.

He's not being funny, he's not being playful... he's just a douchebag. That's all.

[The Walrus]

And that right there is the pendulum swinging low over this band and the album. They're actively pursuing a 'ballz n chunk' direction in order to snatch up DT fans who don't have an open mind and want to bash things that aren't heavy or prog or whatever their expectations are. It's the drunk loser at the bar desperately trying to go home with one of the remaining women at last call.

[Podaar]

In the interest of peaceful discussion. Could we please tone down the inflammatory rhetoric and drop the personal attacks?

[Mebert78]

Seems counterproductive for SoA to have MP and DS approaching things like that.

To be fair, it was all Derek and Mike didn't say anything negative in this piece, that I recall.  But personally, I also attribute blame to Mike because he has gone out of his way to declare himself SoA's leader who "calls the shots" and is "in control."  If that's the case, then as leader he deserves blame for allowing Sherinian to engage in these anti-DT antics.   

[Schurftkut]

over here Sons of Apollo entered the rockcharts at 52, while Vuur entered at nr 2.

[mikeyd23]

Seems counterproductive for SoA to have MP and DS approaching things like that.

To be fair, it was all Derek and Mike didn't say anything negative in this piece, that I recall.  But I also blame Mike because he has gone out of his way to declare himself SoA's leader who "calls the shots" and is "in control."  If that's the case, then as leader he deserves blame for allowing Sherinian to engage in these anti-DT antics.   

Right, you circled yourself back around to the point I would have made. If MP is the band leader that he has claimed to be, and he had an issue with any of this, one would assume he'd step in and correct Derek's course.

[gzarruk]

That's the problem. They just rushed to write and record their first album just to put it out fast.

They did?  Where did you get that information?

They said they went into the studio for 1 week and wrote everything execpting GOTS in that time. Tha’t way too quick to let the ideas develop naturally imo. But, I guess if it works for them, its fine...

Yes, but the fact that they were only in the studio for a week does not necessarily translate to "They just rushed to write and record their first album just to put it out fast."

Sorry for that 

[Ben_Jamin]

The middle of God of The Sun reminds me of No More Tears with vocals.

[TAC]

On facebook

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155204726027989&id=8717682988

The link is jut two pictures of JR,MM, and JLB.

[SwedishGoose]

On facebook

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155204726027989&id=8717682988

The link is jut two pictures of JR,MM, and JLB.

Look at the comments

[TAC]

It just says "Great night with the boys in LA." It doesn't scroll down.

[Podaar]

You probably need to upgrade from Netscape to Chrome.

[TAC]

That's weird. I couldn't see all of that.

What does that mean? He didn't say anything.

[Ben_Jamin]

My verdict is still the same.

My favorites are Gods of The Sun and Labyrinth. I just dont like Derek's lead tone.

Overall an alright album. I wouldn't mind seeing them live.

[rumborak]

It means JR knows that engaging in this shit show is unwise.

[mikeyd23]

  Walking TAC through this seems tough.

Pretty much this -

It means JR knows that engaging in this shit show is unwise.

[pcs90]

You need to be logged into facebook to see the comments I believe...just in case that's the issue here.

[bill1971]

That's weird. I couldn't see all of that.

What does that mean? He didn't say anything.

He just smiles. Which is classy when asked directly about what Derek said.

[gzarruk]

It means Jordan is aware and his response is pure class.

[TAC]

Walking TAC through this seems tough.

Pretty much this -

It means JR knows that engaging in this shit show is unwise.

Totally.

OK. I wasn't sure if I actually missed something.

[cramx3]

It means Jordan is aware and his response is pure class.

I do wonder if the DT guys just joke and laugh about this in private.  They are clearly taking the higher road, but when they are together I could imagine them reading the tweets and just laughing.  I know my friends and I do similar when someone we went to high school posts some stupid grade school shit on social media 

[mikeyd23]

Totally.

OK. I wasn't sure if I actually missed something.

 

Nothing major just confirmation Jordan knows about the stuff DS has been saying and that he's choosing not to comment basically. Smart move.

It means Jordan is aware and his response is pure class.

I do wonder if the DT guys just joke and laugh about this in private.  They are clearly taking the higher road, but when they are together I could imagine them reading the tweets and just laughing.  I know my friends and I do similar when someone we went to high school posts some stupid grade school shit on social media 

I'm not sure if they are doing that, but I'm guessing it's been discussed to some degree. They are all back together on tour now, so they are spending 24/7 with each other again. I'd guess the topic has come up.

[Stadler]

And that right there is the pendulum swinging low over this band and the album. They're actively pursuing a 'ballz n chunk' direction in order to snatch up DT fans who don't have an open mind and want to bash things that aren't heavy or prog or whatever their expectations are. It's the drunk loser at the bar desperately trying to go home with one of the remaining women at last call.

Yeah so? She was cute.  Kind of.   Maybe.    Oh... we're talking about something else, sorry. 

[Stadler]

It means Jordan is aware and his response is pure class.

I do wonder if the DT guys just joke and laugh about this in private.  They are clearly taking the higher road, but when they are together I could imagine them reading the tweets and just laughing.  I know my friends and I do similar when someone we went to high school posts some stupid grade school shit on social media 

I think that's possible.  I'm not even ruling out interaction between the two camps, even.  We know - from the three part interview with Mike posted here a couple weeks ago - that he is in conversation with John fairly regularly, and Rena and their daughter were at the NY Shattered Fortress show. 

I just feel like if it really WAS douchebaggery - or was taken that way by DT - that we would know that for certain at this point. 

[The Walrus]

And that right there is the pendulum swinging low over this band and the album. They're actively pursuing a 'ballz n chunk' direction in order to snatch up DT fans who don't have an open mind and want to bash things that aren't heavy or prog or whatever their expectations are. It's the drunk loser at the bar desperately trying to go home with one of the remaining women at last call.

Yeah so? She was cute.  Kind of.   Maybe.    Oh... we're talking about something else, sorry.

 

[mikeyd23]

I think that's possible.  I'm not even ruling out interaction between the two camps, even.  We know - from the three part interview with Mike posted here a couple weeks ago - that he is in conversation with John fairly regularly, and Rena and their daughter were at the NY Shattered Fortress show. 

Did he say that? I missed that part? I remember JP's wife and daughter being at the SF show but I didn't remember him commenting directly about JP.

I just feel like if it really WAS douchebaggery - or was taken that way by DT - that we would know that for certain at this point.

Why?

[MirrorMask]

I just feel like if it really WAS douchebaggery - or was taken that way by DT - that we would know that for certain at this point.

Well, if it was really douchebaggery, that would be the prime reason to not reply to it.

[bosk1]

Seems counterproductive for SoA to have MP and DS approaching things like that.

To be fair, it was all Derek and Mike didn't say anything negative in this piece, that I recall.  But personally, I also attribute blame to Mike because he has gone out of his way to declare himself SoA's leader who "calls the shots" and is "in control."  If that's the case, then as leader he deserves blame for allowing Sherinian to engage in these anti-DT antics.   

Well, sure.  But a few people in the last few days have been basically saying, "Wait, I can understand being upset at Derek's comments, but that's Derek, not Mike."  But Mike was the one initially taking shots at DT and DT fans, and this forum in particular.  It's just that he got mostly quiet once Derek started in.  If people have an issue with Mike's comments, I don't think it is because of what Derek has been saying--it is because of things Mike has said.

[bosk1]

I think that's possible.  I'm not even ruling out interaction between the two camps, even.  We know - from the three part interview with Mike posted here a couple weeks ago - that he is in conversation with John fairly regularly, and Rena and their daughter were at the NY Shattered Fortress show. 

Did he say that? I missed that part? I remember JP's wife and daughter being at the SF show but I didn't remember him commenting directly about JP.

I just feel like if it really WAS douchebaggery - or was taken that way by DT - that we would know that for certain at this point.

Why?

No, he didn't say that.  And, no, I am pretty sure they are NOT "in communication regularly."

[Ben_Jamin]

Plus Mike shut down his forum.