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Offline Peace and Love

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #140 on: October 01, 2017, 06:46:08 AM »
Quote from Mike's FB:
Mike Portnoy: Hmmm...Not my favorite review...seems like some of the DelFuvian Bravado may have puckered the anus of the "Dream Theater Club"...
Oh well...everything can't be Astonishing!!

 :facepalm:

This kind of knee jerk response from the dude that said that all 2 of the reviews before this one were "unanimous" makes me realize that the competitiveness with Dream Theater is not coming only from DS. The fact that MP immediately equates a neutral-to-positive review to "not as good as The Astonishing" does reveal something about his own mindset.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #141 on: October 01, 2017, 06:53:24 AM »
Anyone else notice that Derek looks a whole lot like a slightly younger Paul Stanley?

No, he looks like the Kardashian Mom.
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #142 on: October 01, 2017, 07:11:16 AM »
Honestly, reading that entire conversation between MP, DS, and noxon was surreal.

Everytime DS puts his foot in his mouth I think, "OK, this has got to stop soon, maybe MP will ask him to refrain" but he is the gift that keeps on giving - completely oblivious to how his "humour" is perceived by others. He even participated in MP's twitter Q&A yesterday, asking him "how do you feel about breathy vocals?".

There are rules in place here to prevent me from honestly saying what I think of him, and that's probably for the best...

I realize this is the second SoA thread, and it was started to get away from discussions about things like this. But I agree. I have to bite my tongue on what I *really* want to say because Mike and Derek are showing no class at all and they're actually fueling a divide. He made it sound like a guy asked a stupid question over Twitter and several of his fans jumped on it calling the guy (who asked a perfectly acceptable question) 'dumb,' 'an idiot', etc. - they're doing the exact opposite of trying to keep 'peace and love' despite Mike saying that's all he wants. Disgusting
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #143 on: October 01, 2017, 08:14:40 AM »
Quote from Mike's FB:
Mike Portnoy: Hmmm...Not my favorite review...seems like some of the DelFuvian Bravado may have puckered the anus of the "Dream Theater Club"...
Oh well...everything can't be Astonishing!!

 :facepalm:

 :facepalm: for sure.

Anyway, good review Noxon. I feel like it was the first actual review of the album, the strengths and weaknesses and giving a good description of the songs. Thanks for posting.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #144 on: October 01, 2017, 08:19:19 AM »
What are we thinking the shelf life on this "real band' is? 

2 years before there is a member change.

3 years before they take a "break."

I'm taking the Under on both. :lol :lol

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #145 on: October 01, 2017, 08:28:57 AM »
^ not sure really, I think it’ll depend on what the expectations of the guys really are at this point. They’ve been hyping SoA up as the next great thing, but that might just be PR. They, behind closed doors, may have a realistic expectation of this thing moving a few thousand copies the first week and playing to a few hundred (maybe 1,000 depending on the market) people on tour per show. If that’s the case, I could see this lasting maybe a couple albums and tour cycles.

On the other hand if they actually have other, bigger expectations and they don’t feel the band is meeting those, it could be a short run. Time will tell.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #146 on: October 01, 2017, 08:38:12 AM »
What are we thinking the shelf life on this "real band' is? 

2 years before there is a member change.

3 years before they take a "break."

I'm taking the Under on both. :lol :lol

Yup, and let's be honest. Bumblefoot and JSS have better things to do than stick around in a flop of a band where two members can't stop stirring media drama up for the most childish reasons.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #147 on: October 01, 2017, 09:08:57 AM »
I think JSS is actually more excited with his solo album than this Sons of Apollo gig.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #148 on: October 01, 2017, 09:11:41 AM »
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155669711004454&set=a.10152002648949454.1073741829.509689453&type=3&theater

Well, okay then :)

Noxon, thanks for sharing the review! It's really detailed, very good read.
My only "criticism" about your review is that you wrote so many really good things about the album and, in the end of it all, you say '"it's not a bad album". It seems that you thought the album is better than that.
By the way, I'm pretty sure, I'll think this album will be excelent. I mean, reaaally pretty sure  ;). I'm glad I've pre-ordered the media book edition.
But I'm feel really sorry the way MP and Derek treated you on that. You made a totally professional review.They are really promoting this CD totaly the wrong way. Unfortunately they're constantly pushing away the perfect public for this CD.
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #149 on: October 01, 2017, 09:16:16 AM »
That's fair feedback - I will alter my statement. When I said "it's not a bad album", i could just as well have been saying "It's a good album" - because it is, even if it has a few flaws.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #150 on: October 01, 2017, 09:17:50 AM »
Well, I left the review with the impression that there's a lot of good playing, but not good song writing.  Which doesn't, to me, translate to a "good" album.  (I would agree with the lack of good song writing, by the way...)

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #151 on: October 01, 2017, 09:18:38 AM »
And I wouldn't change that sentence - unless you really really want to - that's how you felt when you wrote it, and it's probably pretty accurate. 

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #152 on: October 01, 2017, 09:19:02 AM »
What are we thinking the shelf life on this "real band' is? 

2 years before there is a member change.

3 years before they take a "break."

I'm taking the Under on both. :lol :lol

I'll go under as well. Mainly because the Scientologist will be turning 65 soon after their world tour starts - and it's pretty hard to play heavy music that's this rich in balls and chunk at that age. I imagine touring in a heavy metal band is very taxing as you get in your 60s. That double neck bass guitar looks heavy - can't be easy on the back and neck muscles.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #153 on: October 01, 2017, 09:24:45 AM »
SOA has to release more music to make that the focus of this promotion. Not these social media shenanigans of their own making.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #154 on: October 01, 2017, 09:26:42 AM »
I don't know why I bother to keep poking my head in here. Too much drama when all I care about is the music. I briefly took a quick look at the review but really didn't read much beyond a certain comment which summed everything up for me:

Unfortunately, the drama has already colored some potential fans expectations of the album… I hope you can look past the silly drama and judge the music on its own.

That pretty much ain't gonna happen with the majority of the people visiting this thread.

To be clear, I'm not apologizing or defending anything that is happening in social media. The fact is, I Don't Care. I really don't. As I think I said in the locked thread, if I cared about the behavior/political leanings/childishness of musicians then I would have very little music in my life. I don't know them on a personal level so I could care less about a perceived insult that is potentially aimed at me.

Eh, whatever. I said my peace.
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #155 on: October 01, 2017, 09:27:18 AM »
I have no idea how long this band will last or how successful it will be.  I think it will be more successful than you might think, just because each member of the band has their own fan base and there will be at least some portion of each of those fans who like the album, or at the very least, want it for their collection.  I know a few guitar player friends who are interested in it just to hear Ron Thal, and don't really care if (they think) the songs aren't that good.  There will also be those who do like the songs.  They may not be selling out arenas, but I think they'll do well enough. 

What I'm pretty sure is not going to happen is this:  Mike said that this is what his prog/DT fans have been waiting for since he left Dream Theater.  I don't think said fans are going to find that this album delivers that at all.  He presented this whole project as if it would, as if DT fans were the target audience, but I think the audience has shifted.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #156 on: October 01, 2017, 09:31:18 AM »
Quote from Mike's FB:
Mike Portnoy: Hmmm...Not my favorite review...seems like some of the DelFuvian Bravado may have puckered the anus of the "Dream Theater Club"...
Oh well...everything can't be Astonishing!!

 :facepalm:

FFS Mike. Seriously? I love listening and watching him play drums and think he's an incredible musician but this is an utter Dick thing to say. There is no defending this brat like statement either because this childish response was related to a review that didn't spend the entire article blowing smoke up he and Derek's a$$. He needs to come to grips with the fact all these 'bands' that he's tried to start to eclipse DT just ain't gonna ever be near DT in talent, recognition and most of all CLASS.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #157 on: October 01, 2017, 09:36:18 AM »
Oh dear...

Well just a few weeks to go to hear it I guess.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #158 on: October 01, 2017, 09:47:29 AM »
The frustrating things for me in all of this is that I am following this band because of Jeff Scott Soto. Wow, JSS is in an all-star band that built themselves up as the new kings of prog, maybe he will finally get the big break he really really deserves even though it's already late in his career.

But based on what's happening (and what I have listened to) so far, it ain't gonna happen.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #159 on: October 01, 2017, 09:49:07 AM »
What are we thinking the shelf life on this "real band' is? 

2 years before there is a member change.

3 years before they take a "break."

I'm taking the Under on both. :lol :lol

Yup, and let's be honest. Bumblefoot and JSS have better things to do than stick around in a flop of a band where two members can't stop stirring media drama up for the most childish reasons.

I do honestly wonder how into it Bumblefoot (or JSS) will be.  I suspect the same thing happened with Ritchie Kotzen.  New band comes along and it's kind of exciting.  There's a potential to make some better money with it.  In the end, the money made is comparable to what you made doing your solo thing.  The crowds might be a little bigger but you're getting a smaller share of the profits.  You also have to compromise a lot more.  So you go back to your solo stuff.  The money is about the same but you're happier. 

Just a theory. 

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #160 on: October 01, 2017, 10:32:54 AM »
It seems a very strange marketing ploy to piss of your intended market.
Not very bright.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #161 on: October 01, 2017, 10:38:42 AM »
Anyone else notice that Derek looks a whole lot like a slightly younger Paul Stanley?

No, he looks like the Kardashian Mom.

He always reminds me of Liberace...

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #162 on: October 01, 2017, 10:40:21 AM »
It seems a very strange marketing ploy to piss of your intended market.
Not very bright.

Especially when it seems like it's the ONLY market.
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #163 on: October 01, 2017, 10:41:05 AM »




Just saying.
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #164 on: October 01, 2017, 10:46:25 AM »
He does.  Wow.
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #165 on: October 01, 2017, 10:57:56 AM »
It's like he got a hair implant and a slightly botched face job.


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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #166 on: October 01, 2017, 10:59:20 AM »
It's like he got a hair implant and a slightly botched face job.

It's like they called the same doctor.

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I was just thinking about a SOA live show, and I bet JSS would do a killer Lines In The Sand.
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« Reply #167 on: October 01, 2017, 11:29:58 AM »
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #168 on: October 01, 2017, 11:58:56 AM »
I don't think MP can live without drama. He feeds off it. Derek is just a bitter troll though. Actually, they're both bitter.

And no, Mlike. Not everything can be The Astonishing, especially not Sons of Apollo. Tell Billy his bass sounds like ass.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #169 on: October 01, 2017, 12:07:52 PM »
Honestly, reading that entire conversation between MP, DS, and noxon was surreal.

Everytime DS puts his foot in his mouth I think, "OK, this has got to stop soon, maybe MP will ask him to refrain" but he is the gift that keeps on giving - completely oblivious to how his "humour" is perceived by others. He even participated in MP's twitter Q&A yesterday, asking him "how do you feel about breathy vocals?".

There are rules in place here to prevent me from honestly saying what I think of him, and that's probably for the best...
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #170 on: October 01, 2017, 12:12:59 PM »
I don't think MP can live without drama. He feeds off it. Derek is just a bitter troll though. Actually, they're both bitter.

And no, Mlike. Not everything can be The Astonishing, especially not Sons of Apollo. Tell Billy his bass sounds like ass.
Yeah, that bitterness is getting heavy and way too awkward. They're like a couple of old friends you don't want to see anymore because they've become overbearing with negativity. I wish they'd cut their losses already.

Billy's bass tone is great though. Don't tell me you don't love this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK78q3D6q6w


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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #171 on: October 01, 2017, 12:13:17 PM »
Honestly, reading that entire conversation between MP, DS, and noxon was surreal.

Everytime DS puts his foot in his mouth I think, "OK, this has got to stop soon, maybe MP will ask him to refrain" but he is the gift that keeps on giving - completely oblivious to how his "humour" is perceived by others. He even participated in MP's twitter Q&A yesterday, asking him "how do you feel about breathy vocals?".

There are rules in place here to prevent me from honestly saying what I think of him, and that's probably for the best...
link please? if it's still put there.

it's in the original link already posted in this thread:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155669711004454&set=a.10152002648949454.1073741829.509689453&type=3&theater

click on "comments"

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #172 on: October 01, 2017, 12:16:17 PM »
I don't really care too much about the silly trash-talk from the SOA camp, but it's a really weak move to so heavily slam a 7/10 review that was quite detailed in its analysis.

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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #173 on: October 01, 2017, 12:20:50 PM »
Honestly, reading that entire conversation between MP, DS, and noxon was surreal.

Everytime DS puts his foot in his mouth I think, "OK, this has got to stop soon, maybe MP will ask him to refrain" but he is the gift that keeps on giving - completely oblivious to how his "humour" is perceived by others. He even participated in MP's twitter Q&A yesterday, asking him "how do you feel about breathy vocals?".

There are rules in place here to prevent me from honestly saying what I think of him, and that's probably for the best...
link please? if it's still put there.


it's in the original link already posted in this thread:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10155669711004454&set=a.10152002648949454.1073741829.509689453&type=3&theater

click on "comments"

thanks.
Just read it and jeez... those guys (DS especially) act like 12 yo. Butthurt with everything which isn't a pure praise.  :loser:
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Re: Sons of Apollo (feat. Portnoy & Sherinian)
« Reply #174 on: October 01, 2017, 12:37:11 PM »
The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about I guess?

Yeesh. I get the need to promote a new release but they could maybe do that by emphasising what they think is good about their product rather than insulting something/someone else? Can you imagine if JJ Abrams promoted the Star Wars movies by being passive aggressive about Star Trek?