Sherinian poking fun at Jordan?

[Orbert]

Derek is an old-school keyboard player, but he seems a little too proud of that fact.  I saw a YouTube vid of him, I think it had to do with Black Country Communion, where he talked about having a real Hammond B-3 and some other classic keyboards, because you really need that to get the classic sounds.  I mostly agree with him, and to some extent understand him taking shots at Jordan and all his "gadgets".  I mean, I'm old-school too, and a lot of that stuff does strike me as gimmicky.

But he's also being a dick about it.  He takes his shots, and if you feel he goes too far, then he's just joking around, having fun, and you just don't get it.  And he uses that as carte blanche to say whatever he wants, which is lame.  Jordan is continually looking for new ways to make music, new sounds, new devices.  There's nothing wrong with that.

[pcs90]

Derek is an old-school keyboard player, but he seems a little too proud of that fact.  I saw a YouTube vid of him, I think it had to do with Black Country Communion, where he talked about having a real Hammond B-3 and some other classic keyboards, because you really need that to get the classic sounds.  I mostly agree with him, and to some extent understand him taking shots at Jordan and all his "gadgets".  I mean, I'm old-school too, and a lot of that stuff does strike me as gimmicky.

But he's also being a dick about it.  He takes his shots, and if you feel he goes too far, then he's just joking around, having fun, and you just don't get it.  And he uses that as carte blanche to say whatever he wants, which is lame.  Jordan is continually looking for new ways to make music, new sounds, new devices.  There's nothing wrong with that.

Yeah, I mean, I prefer a real piano, Hammond, Rhodes, clavinet, etc any day. Without getting too off topic, the only keyboards which I really feel nail all of these sounds in one box would be the stuff from Nord. And I mean really nail them; a lot of keyboards can give you good results but the Nords have fooled a lot of people.

Anyway, if some app on an iPad has good sounds, I don't see what the problem is. Plenty of people use software instruments on stage via a laptop and MIDI keyboard. I do feel like every so often Jordan gets a few new apps or weird devices to promote so he just randomly adds them to a song somewhere, and I don't think I'd buy any of those "gadgets" either but as you said at least he's trying something new and looking to create new sounds. Derek basically always uses the same couple of sounds all the time now. Yeah, I made a version of his lead on one of my synths and yeah it's fun to play with because of how guitar-like it can be, but that's all he does it seems.

[Fritzinger]

Now he has made it to Progsphere, dunno if this is relevant here.
https://www.prog-sphere.com/specials/sherinian-poking-rudess/

[Ben_Jamin]

You know, thats not really a jab at JR. Because most modern prog. Bands are using ipads and keytars, Haken. Hence why he says he's keeping it old school. Plus, he said "my" so he may have a an iPad and keytar but doesn't utulize them. You never know.

[The Walrus]

iPad = Jordan, I don't recall any prog rock/metal people using iPhones or iPads in their music prior to 2009, at least any moderately well known musicians
Keytar = Jordan's Zen Riffer
apps = Jordan has released a bunch of apps and fiddles with them (and makes new ones) all the time
gadgets = Continuum, possibly just another shot at the keytar/etc.

Just my take since Derek and Mike have made numerous references to DT recently (we should make Metropolis part 3, etc.) and... yeah. I totally think they're directed at JR, I bet behind the scenes Mike has told Derek a lot about the DT camp and his split.

[Bertielee]

iPad = Jordan, I don't recall any prog rock/metal people using iPhones or iPads in their music prior to 2009, at least any moderately well known musicians
Keytar = Jordan's Zen Riffer
apps = Jordan has released a bunch of apps and fiddles with them (and makes new ones) all the time
gadgets = Continuum, possibly just another shot at the keytar/etc.

Just my take since Derek and Mike have made numerous references to DT recently (we should make Metropolis part 3, etc.) and... yeah. I totally think they're directed at JR, I bet behind the scenes Mike has told Derek a lot about the DT camp and his split.

MP seems to have a schizophrenic attitude these days , having said one thing one day and saying completely the contrary now. Back to topic, I have never liked DS's public persona , so his shots don't surprise me in the least.

B.Lee

[DT2003]

There is absolutely no doubt that he’s talking about Jordan specifically.  Derek is incredibly jealous of Jordan and has made that very apparent lately.

[pcs90]

Derek is incredibly jealous of Derek

Jealous of himself, now that's pretty bad!

[DT2003]

Haha that’s why I usually read my posts before posting. Guess I missed that one.

[MirrorMask]

Jordan now on Facebook:

I was speaking with with a young and talented musician from India about becoming a musician in the world we live in. Specifically about music competitions and how the concept of competition doesn’t really work when it comes to artists and their creative spirits.
Instead of a lot of words about the subject- I offer this:
Song for Sanjay

"This" is an improv piece played on a piano (not on an iPad).

Different styles, different attitudes...

[pcs90]

Jordan now on Facebook:

I was speaking with with a young and talented musician from India about becoming a musician in the world we live in. Specifically about music competitions and how the concept of competition doesn’t really work when it comes to artists and their creative spirits.
Instead of a lot of words about the subject- I offer this:
Song for Sanjay

"This" is an improv piece played on a piano (not on an iPad).

Different styles, different attitudes...

That piece was beautiful. It's pretty obvious he's seen Derek's comments, and his response is about as classy as it gets.

[Pragmaticcircus]

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care

[Pragmaticcircus]

Just my take since Derek and Mike have made numerous references to DT recently (we should make Metropolis part 3, etc.)

Where was this? I want to read that 

[the keyboard wizard]

https://youtu.be/XaG6BbAP5BY
Here is the link. They did a lot of references to DT during the interview knowing we were DT fan club.

[The Walrus]

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care

What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.

[TAC]

Yeah, no kidding.

[Bertielee]

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care

What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.

Yep, want to know that as well.

[gzarruk]

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care

What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.

Yep, want to know that as well.

Me too!

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

I think he's making reference to an old Black Clouds review to which Jordan responded something like 'stop overanalyzing things' (to noxon, I believe). They posted that a couple of pages ago in this thread.

[Zook]

I think he's making reference to an old Black Clouds review to which Jordan responded something like 'stop overanalyzing things' (to noxon, I believe). They posted that a couple of pages ago in this thread.

Yeah, I guess that's the same as constantly talking shit about someone.

[Bertielee]

I think he's making reference to an old Black Clouds review to which Jordan responded something like 'stop overanalyzing things' (to noxon, I believe). They posted that a couple of pages ago in this thread.

Yeah, I guess that's the same as constantly talking shit about someone.

No kidding : you take a one-off comment and equate it to a non-stop taking jab at someone?!? Well.....

B.Lee

[noxon]

Not to mention the fact that Jordan read my rebuttle, instantly realized he'd done goofed and apologized.

[Pragmaticcircus]

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care

What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.

It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.

Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.

[Pragmaticcircus]

https://youtu.be/XaG6BbAP5BY
Here is the link. They did a lot of references to DT during the interview knowing we were DT fan club.

Lol, this was sort of funny, you can tell they're not being too serious about it. Quite a stark contrast to the very blunt reaction to being asked about Metropolis pt 3 by a fanclub thing in 2005? 2003? Can't remember. Where he just looked very emotionless at the camera and said "no", no smile or anything 

[The Walrus]

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care

What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.

It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.

Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.

Specifics would help -- Jordan again seems like one of the nicest guys ever, to me, so I find it hard to believe he'd be 'outright pissy' towards a fan!

[Hourglass Prison]

https://youtu.be/XaG6BbAP5BY
Here is the link. They did a lot of references to DT during the interview knowing we were DT fan club.

Lol, this was sort of funny, you can tell they're not being too serious about it. Quite a stark contrast to the very blunt reaction to being asked about Metropolis pt 3 by a fanclub thing in 2005? 2003? Can't remember. Where he just looked very emotionless at the camera and said "no", no smile or anything 

Lol I’ll never forget that
https://youtu.be/7DIaFsB2TIQ

Around the 2 minute mark

[Evai]

And then in the next question, he announces that James Labrie has no balls

[Lethean]

As for me, I just lost all my respect for Derek 

I lost my respect for Jordan a long time ago, so I don't really care

What has Jordan done to lose your respect? Serious question. Jordan strikes me as one of the nicest guys you could possibly meet. I talked with him once too and he just oozes kindness and respect.

It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.

Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.

Specifics would help -- Jordan again seems like one of the nicest guys ever, to me, so I find it hard to believe he'd be 'outright pissy' towards a fan!

No one is perfect though - all of my encounters with Jordan he's been really nice and down to earth, but I'm sure even he has his moments every once in a while. We all do.

[pcs90]

It was an online encounter I had with him once, he was outright pissy towards me, around the time before the Astonishing came out.

Not so sure I want to get into the specifics but he's too sensitive for his own good. I'm not really wanting to go bitching about him but I don't have the same respect I once had.

I really wish we had the specifics, though I can  understand why you wouldn't want to get into it. I almost never hear anyone having a bad experience with JR, whether in person or online so it's  just a bit interesting.

[the keyboard wizard]

Lol, this was sort of funny, you can tell they're not being too serious about it.

That's why I posted that video: to show that Derek is definitely not serious about that. We sometimes chat on Messenger and he is really a funny guy and do not hesitate to poke fun at DT but it's just for the fun. He likes to be pushing buttons and to see how the fans react, like a child who's spitting at the crowd from a balcony and loves to see the people's reaction.
Imagine what would've happened if the "making history" video was released back in 1997 before FII was released and especially after it was released. We would've said that Derek was presomptious and he was not making history but the worst album in DT's history (it's definitely not my opinion but we all know how the majority of the fans reacted when it was released).

[The Walrus]

He likes to be pushing buttons and to see how the fans react, like a child who's spitting at the crowd from a balcony and loves to see the people's reaction.

That's not a very flattering description for anybody to be given. Hope he likes it!

[the keyboard wizard]

Well, maybe I shouldn't have used the comparison with a child spitting It works better with water bombs

[JayOctavarium]

I've met Derek once, outside of a Black Label Society concert  (he was playing keys with them for a dvd shoot). He joking gave my buddy and I shit for wearing DT shirts (we didn't do it intentionally). Then chatted for a couple minutes and got a picture with us. Didn't get a negative vibe from him at all. Totally unexpected... made my night.

I really do hope most of the shit talking is just in jest.

[MirrorMask]

I really do hope most of the shit talking is just in jest.

Of course to him it's all for fun. I'd be surprised if he's harboring a 20 years old grudge but waited until now to unleash it. He doesn't realize the (relative) harm he may do, and that most of the times he's not that funny.

Also, it looks like it's everything he's saying. One or two good jokes... only the most stiff people would be annoyed by it. Taking shots at DT *every* time he tweets something... it gets old fast.

[Yazman]

No gadgets? God forbid a progressive metal band actually be progressive and innovative.