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What are your favorites of these Iron Maiden songs?

Strange World
11 (4.5%)
Innocent Exile
5 (2.1%)
Twilight Zone
4 (1.7%)
Invaders
14 (5.8%)
The Prisoner
25 (10.3%)
Die With Your Boots On
17 (7%)
Sun and Steel
6 (2.5%)
The Duellists
11 (4.5%)
Sea of Madness
23 (9.5%)
The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner
14 (5.8%)
The Prophecy
13 (5.4%)
Run Silent Run Deep
6 (2.5%)
Judas Be My Guide
12 (5%)
Look For the Truth
3 (1.2%)
The Unbeliever
6 (2.5%)
Lightning Strikes Twice
4 (1.7%)
The Educated Fool
5 (2.1%)
The Fallen Angel
11 (4.5%)
Montsegur
17 (7%)
New Frontier
2 (0.8%)
The Pilgrim
4 (1.7%)
Out of the Shadows
4 (1.7%)
Mother of Mercy
8 (3.3%)
The Alchemist
6 (2.5%)
When the River Runs Deep
6 (2.5%)
The Man Of Sorrows
5 (2.1%)

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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Eddie's Archive + More (2002 - 03)
« Reply #1505 on: November 27, 2017, 09:08:37 PM »
First of all, thanks everyone for your patience. This has turned out to be one of the busiest semesters I've had and generally the past few months have been the busiest I've been in my life. Not to make excuses, but this has had to take a back seat lately. The good news is that things should be winding down within the next couple weeks so expect a couple more delays and then maybe back to weekly updates. No promises though. Anyway, on with the show:


Dance of Death (2003)


Maiden kicked off 2003 by announcing some tour dates and entering the studio for work on their next album. Pleased with his work on Brave New World, the band reenlisted Kevin Shirley, although this time the album would be recorded at home in England. They booked a studio in London, their first time recording in the city since The Number of the Beast.  In usual Maiden fashion, the group opted not to take the safe route of retreading the accessible straightforward material on Dance of Death but to instead further pursue that album’s more experimental and progressive side. As a result, Dance of Death is one of the band’s more adventurous albums and features many firsts for the band.

Among these firsts was Nicko McBrain’s first writing credit on a Maiden album, after being in the band for 20 years. Nicko came up with the lyrics, vocal melodies, and a bass line which he presented to the entire band. When Nicko presented the song, he used the classic Steve Harris method of playing the riffs on acoustic bass while humming the tune. The band remarked that he sounded strangely like Steve and Steve even jokingly suggested that Nicko play bass on the recording. Nicko also received help from Adrian who helped with the bridge and chorus. Additionally, Bruce is credited on the song but his exact involvement has never been explained. The song, which is about the moral dilemma over cloning humans, drew some small controversy among fans for being too preachy. Other than that though, New Frontier is a typical Maiden rocker and not bad for a first song. It was never played live though and today only seems to be remembered because Nicko wrote it.

Another major first on the album was the band’s first all acoustic song. Journeyman, the album’s closer, is one of two songs by the Smith/Harris/Dickinson partnership. It was originally written with acoustic guitars but, as was the case with all their songs, it was rearranged for electric guitars and recorded that way. Ultimately the band was unsatisfied with the result and the suggestion was made to record the original acoustic version. The new recording came out much better and is what made it onto the album. They had songs that featured prominent acoustic guitars before, namely Prodigal Son and Como Estais Amigos, but both songs featured some heavy sections with electric guitars. Journeyman was 100% acoustic. The electric version was released later on the No More Lies EP. Journeyman was a nice surprise after 10 pretty heavy songs and is probably the closest Maiden have come to writing a ballad. Ballads can be risky business in Metal bands, but this particular ballad came with surprisingly little controversy. Most fans seemed to embrace the experimentation and the song remains as one of the album’s most memorable moments.

The other Smith/Harris/Dickinson track marked yet another first: Nicko McBrain’s first use of double bass pedal. For those unfamiliar with Nicko’s drum technique, he was always strongly opposed to using the double bass and gained a reputation for having ridiculously fast single pedal technique. His first major obstacle actually came the moment he joined the band when Steve presented him with Where Eagles Dare. It was uncertain whether Nicko would be able to handle the song’s tempo using a single pedal bass drum but, after hours of careful practice, he was not only able to do it, but he was able to start the show with it on the Piece of Mind tour. Nicko was presented with another tricky bass drum part 20 years later with Face In the Sand, but this time he ended up having to record it with a double bass pedal. Nicko voiced discomfort with playing the song and, consequently, it was never played live. It is a strong effort though with lyrics from Bruce that reflect on the media coverage of various events, specifically the Iraq War which had started while the band were working on the album.

If it is not already apparent, Adrian Smith had a much greater hand in this album compared to Brave New World, where he intentionally took a backseat. Where he only contributed two songs to the previous album, Adrian has a writing credit on 5 of the 11 songs on Dance of Death, including the lead single: Wildest Dreams. Much like The Wicker Man, which was also penned by Adrian (with the help of Bruce and Steve) and was also a lead single, the song is a musical callback to the hits of the 80s such as Flight of Icarus and Can I Play With Madness. It’s upbeat, energetic, and features a live-ready singalong chorus. Wildest Dreams is very similar in style to The Wicker Man, although it was written by Smith and Harris rather than Smith/Harris/Dickinson.

The last Smith contribution, Paschendale, is a stark contrast to the accessible Wildest Dreams with its epic length, sudden stops, and extended instrumental section. Prior to Paschendale, Adrian was mostly known for the more commercial side of Maiden, but in the spirit of the album’s experimentation, he decided to attempt an epic. The song began with the haunting intro and developed from there. Adrian then found a book on the battle of Passchendaele and presented it to Steve for lyrical inspiration. The result was one of the band’s proggiest and most dramatic songs ever. It is a song that is still held in high regard among fans and the band members themselves. In his new book, Bruce claims it’s the only thing on Dance of Death that is at the same level of quality as Brave New World.

Paschendale is not the only epic or dramatic piece on the album though. Also included is the epic title track, written by Steve and Janick. At 9 minutes, it’s the longest song on the album and was conceived around an acoustic idea by Gers. Janick came up with the bulk of the song and, in a similar story to Paschendale, presented Steve with inspiration for the lyrics from the classic film The Seventh Seal. However, unlike Paschendale, the source material only provided the initial spark of inspiration. The song itself is entirely from Steve’s imagination, possible a story from his dreams. Together, both Paschendale and Dance of Death mark a return to the storytelling epic that was more common in the 80s with songs such as Rime of the Ancient Mariner and To Tame a Land. Musically, the song seems to be a progression of what Janick was doing on Dream of Mirrors, but this time the acoustic guitar plays an even more prominent role. Not only is Dance of Death one of Maiden’s most dramatic songs, it’s also one of their most melodic and is another highlight of the album. If there was still any doubt about Janick’s place in the band, Dance of Death shatters it.

While he didn’t contribute quite as much as on Brave New World, Dance of Death continues to show Janick’s prominence as a songwriter. Not only did he contribute the title track and album centerpiece, but he also contributed a couple classic sounding Maiden rockers. Both songs are collaborations with Bruce and Steve and they each represent the more accessible side of the album. One of these two songs, Gates of Tomorrow, is widely considered to be among the weaker points of the album. It’s a generic fast paced rock song in the vein of Wildest Dreams or The Mercenary, but not quite as memorable. The lyrics, penned by Bruce, can take on multiple meanings, although it is most likely about the uncertain future that awaited with the advent of the Internet. Maiden were pretty on top of the technology at the time, being one of the first bands to have an official website and also embracing music downloads early on (more on that later). For a more successful collaboration by the trio, there’s Montsegur. This is another short rocker that came primarily from Janick with some rearrangements by Steve and a lyric by Bruce. It’s a song filled with catchy riffs and melodies, including a recycled guitar harmony from Bruce Dickinson’s solo track, Born In ‘58.

Dave Murray also contributed two tracks which had become normal for him at the time, although he contributed three songs to Brave New World. The first song, Rainmaker, was a collaboration with Bruce and Steve although the song was primarily written by Dave. Dave came up with the main riffs, melodies and chord progressions with Steve adding some melodies before Bruce wrote the lyrics. Bruce heard the opening melody that Dave came up with and stated that it reminded him of raindrops, hence the concept of Rainmaker. The second Dave song was Age of Innocence, which was just a collaboration with Steve. Once again, Dave came up with most of the music while Steve helped piece things together and also added the lyrics. Age of Innocence is one of the more controversial songs on the album for a number of reasons. The first is the lyrics, which, similar to New Frontier, were criticized for being overly preachy and even showing Steve’s age. Steve wrote the song about his feelings in England at the time, that he felt like the judicial system was failing and his kids weren’t safe growing up there. The song was also criticized for its bridge which featured Bruce almost rapping. That being said, the song is also praised for its highly melodic guitar parts and chorus. Overall, Age of Innocence is a good example of Dance of Death’s more experimental side: it works in some areas and not so much in other areas.

As usual, Steve remained very prolific on this album contributing to all but one track (New Frontier). Like Brave New World, his solo contributions weren’t quite as numerous since there were so many other writers in the band that he wanted to make room for. Only one song is credited entirely to Steve and that is No More Lies. No More Lies is the typical reunion era Maiden track: long soft intro followed by a heavy buildup with a huge climactic (if not repetitive) chorus. The lyrics are also classic Steve, dealing with a person who knows he is close to death. Steve has said that the person in the song could be Jesus and that there are references to the Last Supper, but it is meant to be relatable for anyone.

The album was recorded in the same style and fashion as Brave New World, although this time they captured some video footage of the recording so fans were able to get better insight into the modern Maiden recording method. The documentary, which was included on the DVD release for the tour (Death On the Road), was the first time fans got a significant look at the band in the studio. Maiden were known to be very secretive about those things, so the Dance of Death documentary was a real treat. It only really covers the recording of Montsegur and Paschendale, but it’s better than nothing. As seen in the documentary, the band worked very quickly. An entire day would be spent on one song and they would go from rough rhythm tracks all the way to a rough mix of the final song by the end of the day. The band was recorded live, with Dave and Janick sharing a recording booth, Adrian in his own booth, Bruce in his own booth, and Nicko and Steve in the center room. Kevin Shirley used a minimalist approach to instrument set up, contrary to most producers and audio engineers. Rather than spend days on end crafting the drum sound or messing with microphones, he opted for a more “plug in and play” approach which very much pleased the band.

Using Kevin Shirley’s quick style of recording, the sessions were finished in a month. The album was mixed and ready to go by May, although it wouldn’t be released until September. It’s not entirely clear why the release was delayed. Whether there was an unintentional delay or the band decided to hold off so that they could do a “classics” setlist for the festivals and North America. Regardless, the shows were booked even before the band started recording, and, in Summer 2003, Maiden hit the road again for their first full scale tour in 2 years.

Give Me Ed Til I’m Dead Tour (2003)


As previously mentioned, the summer 2003 tour was actually announced before the band had even entered the studio. In late 2002, Maiden began announcing some European summer dates and before long a full scale tour was planned, including a run in North America. The European shows were also going to be largely in the festival circuit. Later on it was revealed that the tour would be a “greatest hits” setlist and was going to be about having fun. This marked the beginning of a pattern that still exists to this day: album tours are to be alternated with “greatest hits” tours. They started as being simple and brief but continued to grow as the were unsurprisingly extremely popular. The tour also served as a way to build hype for the new album. The band performed Wildest Dreams as part of the setlist and at every concert Bruce encouraged fans to record the song and post it on the internet on the condition that they buy the album when it comes out. Maiden’s attitude toward this was a stark contrast to the general industry opinion at the time, as Metallica were currently in the middle of a high profile lawsuit against Napster and most artists were on Metallica’s side. Maiden realized that it was a losing battle for the music industry and that the best course of action was to use it to their own advantage, which is exactly what they did for Dance of Death.

The rest of the setlist was a career retrospective that featured a healthy amount of material from each era. This time, every album was represented with the exception of Killers and The X Factor. The usual suspects were included, but there were also some songs that hadn’t been played in years. The big comeback was Revelations, which hadn’t been played since the World Slavery tour in 1985. Also included were 22 Acacia Avenue and Die With Your Boots On, two songs that were staples in the 80s but hadn’t been played since the early 90s. The Wicker Man and Brave New World were each played from the previous album and The Clansman was on the menu for the third tour in a row. The encore was one of the band’s more exciting, kicking off with Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter, which hadn’t been played since Bruce left the band. This was followed by Two Minutes to Midnight which wasn’t typically used as an encore tune. The closer was Run to the Hills, which was welcomed back especially in North America where it was not included on the Brave New World tour setlist. The setlist order was also very interesting. For the first time ever, The Number of the Beast opened the show. Hallowed Be Thy Name was also included very early on, even though both songs were traditionally saved for the end. This made the setlist more exciting and unpredictable.

The stage set was also a celebration of the band’s history, featuring a collage of various Eddie’s that even extended to the background (which shrunk the space normally used for drapes). The Ed Hunter walk on Eddie was finally retired and replaced with a regal Eddie in the style of Edward the Great, the compilation which was released a year earlier. The big Eddie (as well as the Eddie on the poster) was designed after the Visions of the Beast DVD and there was some brain action that brought back memories of the World Piece Tour 20 years earlier. It wasn’t an extremely elaborate stage set, especially compared to what followed, but it fit the theme of the tour perfectly.

As mentioned earlier, the tour started in Europe with the band hitting most of the major festivals including the very first Download festival at Castle Donington. It was the band’s third time headlining Donington after headlining Monsters of Rock there in 1988 and 1992. They also performed again at Rockslide and Graspop, both festivals that they hit on the Brave New World tour. Finally, they performed at Rock Am Ring, which was broadcast on TV and represents the best bootleg of the tour.

Rock Am Ring: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHZcwBD6j6U

After finishing in Europe, the band headed across the Atlantic for a month of touring North America. They once again performed at amphitheaters of similar size to what they played on the Brave New World tour, although their popularity was beginning to grow already. Also similar to the Brave New World tour was that North America got a very impressive touring package. This time it was Motorhead and Dio, two legendary groups. On the other hand, North America also got a shorter set. 22 Acacia Avenue was left off the set entirely and several of the shows had three songs dropped due to venue curfews (Heaven Can Wait, Brave New World, and Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter). Regardless, it was a successful tour that was especially appealing to the nostalgic fans who were mostly interested in hearing the classics.


Also, as a side note, the Give Me Ed Til I’m Dead tour happened to be my first time seeing Iron Maiden. I was a month away from turning 7 and this show made me a Maiden fan for life. I still remember quite a bit of it very vividly, although I’m also lucky that the show was immortalized in one of the better bootlegs from the tour. Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh8aqVDABHg


The tour wrapped up at the end of August and, a week later, Dance of Death was released.
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Eddie's Archive + More (2002 - 03)
« Reply #1506 on: November 27, 2017, 09:09:10 PM »
Dance of Death Release (2003)



Whether there was an unexpected delay or the band intentionally waited to release the album until after the tour, it seemed to work in their favor. Dance of Death was even more commercially successful than its predecessor, managing to hit top 20 in the US and #2 in their native England. The album was well received, although for the most part it wasn’t as highly regarded as Brave New World. 15 years and 3 albums later, it has earned a sort of “black sheep” status in the reunion era and is generally regarded as the weakest. Still, very few consider it a bad album and Paschendale and the title track in particular are commonly praised as some of this lineup’s finest works. It was clearly a more daring album than Brave New World and in retrospect serves as more of a transition to the proggier modern Maiden.

Two singles were released for the album, the first being Wildest Dreams which officially came out in September a couple weeks ahead of the album. The single is notable for having a DVD version in addition to the CD and 7 inch single formats. The DVD version featured the music video which was also another first for the band in that they weren’t in it! The video was completely done with computer graphics and includes CGI versions of the band members and, of course, Eddie. As a bonus, the DVD version included “rock mixes” of Blood Brothers and The Nomad (essentially the songs without the synths or orchestrations). The CD version of the single featured an “orchestral” version of Blood Brothers that basically beefed up the orchestration and one of their more unusual b-sides: Pass the Jam. Maiden were never known as a jam band, but somehow decided to record two jams for b-sides, the first of which appears here. Maiden had recorded noodly songs as jokes before, but never a full on jam like this.

The second jam was called More Tea Vicar (a jab at MTV) and was included on the next single: Rainmaker. The Rainmaker single came midway through the Dance of Death tour and also featured a DVD version with the music video. This time the music video was in a more traditional style with the band playing alongside female dancers and, of course, rain. The bonus tracks are pretty cool, being live clips from the Clive Burr MS Trust livestream at Brixton. In addition to More Tea Vicar, the CD version includes an “orchestral” version of Dance of Death, again with beefed up orchestrations. The covers to both the Wildest Dreams and Rainmaker singles are still images from the music videos, making them some of the more unimaginative Maiden covers.

Being such an experimental album, Dance of Death is not without its controversies. The most immediate of which was the infamous artwork that is not only commonly regarded as the worst Iron Maiden album cover, but among the worst Metal album covers ever. The story behind the artwork is that the artist, David Patchett, submitted the artwork as a rough draft with the CGI figures meant to give Maiden an idea of the direction he was taking. The band, namely Steve, thought it looked great the way it was and insisted that the draft be the final version of the cover. When the artwork was posted online ahead of the Give Me Ed tour, it was immediately panned. Many fans even thought it was a joke. There were many rumours about how the artwork came to be, such as the artist having submitted a more plain image with Eddie surrounded by monks (essentially the tour poster) and Rod adding the CGI figures himself. Even Pratchett was horrified and asked that his name be removed from the album credits. In his book, Bruce even calls the cover an embarrassment.

Another controversy was the mastering, which was incredibly brickwalled and distorted. The story of how the master came to be is remarkably similar to the way the cover came about. Kevin Shirley put together a very loud distorted master for Steve to play in his car which, after hearing it, Steve insisted on submitting as the final master of the album. While the sound of the album isn’t nearly as infamous as the cover, it’s another aspect that is heavily criticized by fans. Songs that rely heavily on dynamics, such as Journeyman and Paschendale, were heavily compressed to the point where the dynamics were almost nonexistent. A 5.1 mix was released on DVD audio that corrected these issues, but unfortunately it is long out of print and rare. It was also reissued on vinyl, along with all the albums from 1990 onwards, last year and that is also a significant improvement on the original.

Regardless of these controversies, the album was a success and the band were quite happy with it at the time. Maiden always releases a new album with remarkable confidence and this was no exception. One month after the release of the album, Maiden were on the road again with a new album, a new setlist, and their most elaborate stage show ever.

Dance of Death World Tour (2003 - 04)


Taking place in the winter, the Dance of Death World Tour gave the band a chance to play indoor arenas and concert halls as opposed to the outdoor festivals that they had become used to playing in recent years. With this also came the ability to bring in a larger and more elaborate stage set. Dance of Death was one of Maiden’s more dramatic albums with several songs containing narratives and intense visuals, so the stage show would be appropriately theatrical. The inspiration for the set design came from the photoshoot for the Dance of Death album, which featured medieval images and girls in Venetian masks. Appropriately, the stage design was based around a medieval castle. Like the pyramids in 1985, Maiden were bordering on Heavy Metal cliche with this direction. This time it would be even worse considering they were not a young band anymore. However, they managed to pull it off in a way that was more impressive than cheesy. In addition to the castle design, there were two large grim reapers on both sides of the stage and the floor featured the same design as the floor of the album cover. Of course everything was punctuated by the obligatory appearances of Eddie, both the walk on and big Eddies were in the Reaper design of the Dance of Death artwork.

The show also featured its fair share of costumes and props. During Paschendale, the road crew would come out in military regalia to decorate the set with barbed wire and army barracks. Bruce was also in military costume for the song, complete with helmet. Bruce also donned costumes for Dance of Death. The opening was a “Phantom of the Opera” esque mask and cape combination and, after the instrumental section, Bruce returned as a mysterious hooded figure. Once again, it was the sort of thing that could’ve easily bordered on cheesy but Maiden managed to pull it off with grace. To add to the theatricality and drama of the show, there was also an unusually small amount of banter from Bruce. This was a stark contrast to the last few tours especially, where his rants had become increasingly vicious and braggadocious. Even in the 80s, the Bruce rants were a hallmark of any Maiden show. But on the Dance of Death tour, all that was put aside to create a more immersive experience. The rants were instead replaced with newly recorded intro tapes and dark dramatic lighting. Dance of Death was preceded by a recording of a line from Hamlet and before Paschendale was a recording of war sound effects and Bruce Dickinson reciting the Wilfred Owen poem Anthem For Doomed Youth. The lack of stage banter was a surprising move, but it was also a welcome one for many who were unhappy with Bruce’s rants on the Brave New World tour.

Despite all the attempts at making such a theatrical performance, the setlist was actually not that much different than a typical Maiden set, in fact it really stands as one of their more generic setlists with less surprises than the previous three tours. None of the rarities from Give Me Ed carried over and many of the songs that had been played on two or even all three of the previous tours remained in the set. That’s not to say it was a bad set, though. As usual, the new album dominated with the standard 6 songs. It was a smaller percentage of the album played compared to Brave New World and Virtual XI (with 7 out of 8 and 8 out of 10 respectively) but considering the lengths of the songs it took up a decent amount of setlist time. As previously mentioned, Dance of Death and Paschendale were highlights of the show and provided the most theatrical portions. Predictably, the concert opened with Wildest Dreams which had already received a test run during the Give Me Ed tour. Rainmaker and No More Lies were also expected choices, with the former being the second track on the album as well as the second single and the latter being the big Harris track. The real surprise from the album and perhaps the most memorable part of the show was Journeyman. In another daring move, the band decided to begin the encore with it instead of the more typical choice of a fan favorite like Number of the Beast or a crowd pleaser like Bring Your Daughter To the Slaughter.  They also performed it entirely unplugged and the three guitarists were sitting down. It was one of the most unique moments in the band’s history and a great way to start off the encore. The live version of Journeyman also featured a guitar solo from Adrian.

The rest of the setlist brought attention to every era with heavy emphasis on the hits. The usual suspects were all present: Wrathchild, The Trooper, The Number of the Beast, Fear of the Dark, and so on. The only two songs that hadn’t yet been performed by this lineup, other than the new songs, were Can I Play With Madness and Lord of the Flies. The former hadn’t been played since the Fear of the Dark tour, although it eventually became a bit of a staple in the reunion era. The latter seemed to indicate that the band were still interested in promoting the Blaze years, although of course it actually ended up being the last song from the Blaze era to ever be played live (of course this may change but at this point it’s unlikely).

The tour itself wasn’t nearly as extensive as the Brave New World tour and lasted less than 4 months (although to be fair they did tour through the summer). Most of the time was spent touring arenas in Europe and there was even a short UK tour. The band then made their usual South America run although this time it was not part of any festivals. As usual, some of it was broadcast on TV and their performance in Argentina serves as the only professional recording that exists outside of the official release.

Argentina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R_nPRSjZKw

After South America, the band did what is still their shortest North America run ever. There were two dates in Quebec, a four night run in New York (but night four was cancelled), and two nights in Los Angeles. The band probably decided that it would be economically risky to make another run in the US in such a short time frame and since it was still Winter they wouldn’t be able to perform at their usual amphitheaters anyway. After the US, the band wrapped up at the beginning of February with a short run of shows in Japan. It was by far one of their most unusual touring schedules, although it was also one of their more unusual albums and stage shows.

Following the end of the tour, the band released an EP as a thank you to the fans:

No More Lies (2004)


Served in a cardboard box with a booklet and wristband, No More Lies is technically an EP but there isn’t much more content than a typical CD single. The booklet contains a brief thank you note and some pictures from the recently completed Dance of Death tour. Among the bonus tracks is another orchestral version, this time of Paschendale, and a pretty funny take of Age of Innocence with Nicko McBrain on vocals. I’ll leave it at that and let you all hear for yourself. The most interesting bonus track though is the original electric version of Journeyman. The version that the band originally recorded before deciding it didn’t fit. The CD also had an enhanced portion that, after being inserted into a computer, included a video for No More Lies. The video is a live rendition of the song and served as a preview for their upcoming live release which was unfortunately delayed for 2 years...

Death On the Road (Recorded 2004, released 2006)


Like Rock in Rio, the official live release for the tour went through many delays, although Death on the Road suffered a much longer delay. It’s not clear why the DVD took so long, but they made up for it this time by packing it with so many bonus features. The video was once again directed by Steve Harris and recorded in Dortmund, Germany. Unfortunately, like Rock in Rio, it suffers from the same fast paced editing problems that are a signature of Steve’s. This time they’re even worse though and the black and white shots that are mixed in don’t help. Not only is it distracting to watch, but it takes away from the theatrical vibe of the show, although I’m sure there are fans who disagree.

The bonus disc comes with a lot of special goodies, including the previously mentioned documentary that covers both the recording of Dance of Death and the tour. It is a fascinating watch as it’s really the first time the fans get a glimpse at the band’s creative process and the behind the scenes of their touring crew. There was the Behind the Iron Curtain documentary, but that never went into how the stage set comes together. The Death on the Road documentary really focuses on that more technical side. Also included on the bonus disc are interviews with the fans and road crew, videos for Wildest Dreams and Rainmaker, and the Dance of Death press video.

The artwork shows a return to the more cartoony style of Maiden covers and is arguably better than the Dance of Death cover. It was painted by Melvyn Grant, who by that time was quickly becoming the second most prolific Maiden artist since Derek Riggs. Death on the Road definitely serves as one of his better works for Maiden too, in my opinion.

I would say this DVD is actually mostly essential for the bonus features. The live performance itself is not one of Maiden’s essential recordings, which is too bad because the stage show is pretty spectacular. The performance itself is a bit lackluster (Bruce also supposedly caught a cold around the time of filming), the setlist is not that exciting apart from the Dance of Death songs, and the editing can make it hard to watch. I’d recommend it only if you really like the Dance of Death album and want to check out the live clips of the songs, otherwise it is one of the least essential live releases.

By Summer 2004, just over a year after entering the studio, Maiden were on another break. The Dance of Death cycle was not nearly as long or hyped up as the Brave New World cycle, and it kind of stands as one of the less significant parts of the band’s history. That being said, it is actually one of the most important. Dance of Death saw the band really flexing their creative muscles that helped to lead to one of their most acclaimed albums. The credibility of the lineup also continued to grow with yet another album and a tour dedicated to new material. By the next tour, the new lineup would really be solidified and the momentum would continue to build as more fans come to consider it as the definitive Maiden lineup.
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1507 on: November 28, 2017, 01:03:37 AM »
Amazing write-up as usual! My only point of contention would be not mentioning Prodigal Son as the band's first ballad.

I also had never heard the story about how the album got brick walled. I had been told that it was a record company decision, but after reading the explanation in your write-up, I think yours makes more sense.

And no need to apologise for the delay. Your write-ups are always well worth the wait!
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1508 on: November 28, 2017, 02:34:47 AM »
Welcome back Mosh, with yet another excellent and comprensive writeup :tup

But forgive me to point out a very forgiveable mixup: "In usual Maiden fashion, the group opted not to take the safe route of retreading the accessible straightforward material on Dance of Death"... you clearly meant Brave New World.

Now, some thoughts about it all:

- DANCE OF DEATH

I like it. Actually, I love it. No, I'm not gonna pretend that Gates of Tomorrow and New Frontier are better than half the '80s discography, but as a whole piece of work, I immensely enjoyed the whole album. As Mosh said, they flexed their creative muscles and went into unexpected territories - I view it as Brave New World being them learnng to walk again, and Dance of Death them learning to fly again.

Maybe it's just nostalgia of that time, 2003 was a nice summer for me, I was young and traveling often abroad and while Metallica made their most atrocious album ever, Maiden proved themselves worth of the throne they reclaimed with Brave New World. For all the complaints about Maiden's repetitive chorus, can you name me another album where, out of the two longest songs, one has a chorus repeated only twice and the other doesn't even have a chorus?

Those are the clearly standout of the album, which has many other "inusual" songs: the acoustic Journeyman, the uncommonly heavy Montsegur (my, what a badass song), the concise Rainmaker (no slow intros, no prolonged choruses, just a fast and short kickass song like they used to do in the '80s), all marvellous songs that are enough to save the album. And I still like the rest, there's not a truly bad song on here, just songs that just don't match up to the insanely highs the band achieved.

And the cover, yes, it's bad. By now it no longer bothers me, but back in the day what a mess it was. I still remember on the Maiden forum someone having as user title "Worst. Cover. Ever." and then changing it after the release of the album to "Best. Album. Ever"  :lol

- GIMME THE 'ED TOUR

Probably their most creative, fun and careless tour ever. Sadly, it's one of the only two Maiden tours I haven't seen since I started following them in 1998. I don't regret the motivation - going to Germany instead to attend the Blind Guardian Open Air, at the time I basically cyber-lived on the Blind Guardian forum so that was a wonderful experience to meet everyone.

At the very, very least, I saw a live stream as it was happening of the Rock Am Ring show. This tour is also worth of mentioning as starting a by now classic and well known tradition: using Doctor Doctor as the "buffer song" between the house music and the actual start of the show. From now on, every tour would open with Doctor Doctor, becoming quickly a moment of fun anticipation among fans in preparation for the imminent start of the show.

I like to think that the setlist was thrown together as they were writing it, putting in whatever they wanted to play. Starting with 666, playing Hallowed so early, finally bringing back my dearly beloved Revelations (missed Bruce singing it solo, missed Maiden doing it this time, damn!), doing so many rare songs... even the encore really feels like made up on the spot, like "What if we play Bring your daughter? Cool! and then? well, with so many rare songs played, I guess we can do 23:58... yeah, right. And to finish off? Let's go for Run to the Hills and be done with it"  :biggrin:

The show was fun to watch from my computer, I can only imagine what it was like to be there. Well, I know, I've been to 12 Maiden shows, but to live it in full would have been glorious.

- DANCE OF DEATH "PROPER" TOUR

This one I've seen it, and I quite enjoyed it. All in all I think the setlist was fine, sure the staples were there but bringing back Can I Play with Madness and Lord of the Flies and rotating between the summer set was cool, and also Journeyman was an epic encore opener.

I get the "Welcome to the dance of death" thing, but I always found anticlimatic to play the title track and centerpiece of the album, it should have swapped places with No More Lies.

One minor trivia about Paschendale - I remember reading how on the first date (or first dates?) of the tour the roadie were placing the props on top of Nicko in their normal work gear, and Rod Smallwood thought it was an eyesore, and deciding to get uniforms for everyone.



To sum op on the whole thing: while I get that not all songs on Dance of Death are a 10/10, I always loved the album and always will, Bruce himself is too harsh on the album - but at least he acknowledges what a massive masterpiece Paschendale is. This album is full of daring songs with the highs far outweighing the lows, and I will always hail is as one of my favorite Maiden albums. Dancing with death was never so awesome :metal

(oh, and I totally encourage to listen the Nicko version of Age of Innocence  :lol nothing more to add to the b-sides, I've heard them all, some were wacky and some unnecessary but it's the last time we got from Maiden truly leftover and additional material)
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« Reply #1509 on: November 28, 2017, 03:35:02 AM »
There's no getting away from that cover. It's the first thing you see about the album, before you've heard any music from it, and it's the thing that creates the lasting impression of the album. I cannot to this day see how anyone, even 'Arry, approved that in that state. One of the worst album covers ever.

To me, the music is a mixed bag. Wildest Dreams is solid, Rainmaker is one of my favourite Maiden tunes, and Montsigur is a blast. Paschendale is amazing, and Dance of Death pretty good. Journeyman is interesting, and No More Lies is a typical Harris plodder. Sure, the sound is a little "closed", but I've never had a problem with brickwalling - there are worst albums out there.

But the other tracks are second-rate filler. And New Frontier is horrible, easily the worst track Maiden has done.

So to me, it's an album of 2 halves, there's good and bad here. Which is why, to me, it's the weakest of the reunion era albums.

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« Reply #1510 on: November 28, 2017, 03:39:06 AM »
Dance of Death took a while to click with me, but I love it now!

Out of the reunion era albums, I prefer it over The Book of Souls and Final Frontier.

But yeah, the cover "artwork" is ridiculous! :lol

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« Reply #1511 on: November 28, 2017, 06:20:42 AM »
Awesome write ups!   I go back and forth on Dance of Death - sometimes I love it, sometimes, I don't.  It's my least favorite of the reunion albums for a few reasons, but then I love some of the songs on it. 

I saw Maiden for the second time on the Give Me Ed American tour.  My car had broken down the night before on the highway, so I got a ride to the show with my neighbors, who were partying hard that night.  Seeing Motorhead and Dio for the first times were cool, though my all-out love for Dio didn't happen until a few years later after discovering his era of Black Sabbath.  At least I got to hear him sing his classics that we all know.

Maiden were amazing.  I loved that the show started with Number of the Beast, with the hugh light-up 6's.  It was a really fun setlist and they kept Die With Your Boots On and Revelations, so I got to see a few rarer songs played.

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« Reply #1512 on: November 28, 2017, 10:43:17 AM »
Mosh strikes again! Welcome back, by the way.  :tup

This album is marvelous. Sure, there are some clear highlights like Paschendale, Journeyman and the title track, but the reason I love this album so much is that some of my favorites are actually the lesser popular, often ignored tracks. Wildest dreams is their best happy song and never fails to put me in the right mood. Gates of tomorrow features a gorgeous chorus and some of the most innovative singing on the verses. Age of innocence is brilliant - there's an another great major key chorus, some of Dave's most beautiful guitar playing and a bad-ass bridge that follows the solos. And yeah, the version with Nico is hilarious.  :lol

A friend of mine I lost touch with borrowed my Death on the road DVD many years ago and I haven't seen it since. I'm thinking of picking it up again if I find it for a decent price. The concert is fine, but what's especially worth the money are the documentaries, particularly the one with the fans.

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« Reply #1513 on: November 28, 2017, 11:41:33 AM »
To me, Dance of Death is LIGHT YEARS ahead of Brave New World, and is now my second favorite reunion era release.

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« Reply #1514 on: November 28, 2017, 12:10:58 PM »
Another great write up Mosh! Keep 'em coming!

Honestly, there's not a whole lot I remember from this album, other than that Paschendale is killer, and No More Lies is one of the most awful songs ever - that chorus. UGH! I wanna slap 'Arry six ways to Sunday to learn how to write a proper chorus without all the annoying repetition.

Not only that, but that absolutely horrendous cover. Still blows my mind that anyone could've actually said "That's IT! I want the cover exactly like this - no more 'fixing' it!" Would love to see what the cover art would have looked like had it been properly finished. Mosh, have any of the guys other than Bruce ever commented on the artwork, either back then (when it was released) or more recently?
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« Reply #1515 on: November 28, 2017, 12:24:29 PM »
I'm indifferent on the cover (if cover art affected my love of the music, I'd never have listened to half the bands I like) but I do like the interior art.  I like the blurred images, like ghosts, around the band, and I like the last picture, almost porcelain doll-like or Mardi Gras like.   

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« Reply #1516 on: November 28, 2017, 12:34:11 PM »
Glad to see some more appreciation for Dance of Death! and yes, the booklet was kinda nice.

The cover mess up is a shame because as a basic concept "Grim Reaper Eddie at a dance of death" is awesome. The execution was baffling. And I don't remember from back in the day any comments from the band members, they probably hid themselves behind a PR "We liked the weird and eerie feel of the cover as it was".

Back in the previous discussion, someone mentioned how a Bruce rant was his best ever. I respectfully disagree. The one he used at Rock Am Ring to introduce The Clansman was his best for me:

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« Reply #1517 on: November 28, 2017, 12:34:39 PM »
Mosh, that was a fantastic write-up!  Dance of Death was the album that got me hooked on Maiden and is still my favorite of theirs to this day. I'll have to disagree with Bruce Dickinson when he said Paschendale was the only song that is in the same league as Brave New World. While I really like the BNW album, I think Dance of Death slays it in every way! 
 I actually really enjoy Death on the Road concert dvd, more than most of their other releases. The only flaw is the way Bruce sang the Chorus to Rainmaker, not near as good as the studio version.

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« Reply #1518 on: November 28, 2017, 12:55:16 PM »
The write-ups are always so good (as a lot of the commentaries here), that it's so difficult to add something... but, the first time I listened to Montsegur, I was like: HOLY SHIT, THIS BAND HAD NEVER SOUNDED SO HEAVY LIKE THIS SINCE POWERSLAVE!!!:metal :metal :metal
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« Reply #1519 on: November 28, 2017, 01:00:07 PM »
I'm someone that likes the songs that most others don't like on this album. This is my second favorite album of the reunion era.

However, I've never really cared for the title track. I don't skip it when I listen to the album, but I don't look forward to hearing it.
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« Reply #1520 on: November 28, 2017, 01:04:42 PM »
First, on the Give Me 'Ed Tour, I did not see it, because believe it or not, I wasn't even aware they were touring. I had long stopped listening to the radio, and I wasn't really active on the internet. With two very small kids, I just wasn't paying attention, apparently.


My favorite thing about Dance Of Death was simply the fact that they actually recorded a follow up to Brave New World. When BNW was released, I guess I was a little apprehensive about it, because I was not interested in a one off reunion album.

When I first saw the cover, I liked it. I guess I never rally examined it for all that's there. Those days are long gone for me, but I loved the concept and the color scheme. And as Stadler said, the pictures with the band members are spectacular. I was very impressed. I actually think it's the best photo shoot the band has ever done.
As far as the music goes, to me, it felt much more of a classic style Maiden. This album reminds me a lot of Fear Of the dark where 2/3 to 3/4 of the album is excellent, but the album is truly 3 or so songs too long.

So many great tunes. I love the title track. The three guitars in the instrumental sections are fantastic. And Monteseguer is one of my all time favorite "short" Maiden tracks.

Also, it seems that Adrian lifted the pre chorus in New Frontier from Mchael Kiske's New Horizons.




Death On the Road is my favorite Maiden live album. The live version of Dance Of Death and Paschendale are amazing. It also has my favorite version of Brave New World. I just feel like the crowd is mixed in perfectly, and their energy feels genuine. It also had my favorite version of Fear Of The Dark. I just love the feel of it. A lot was made of Bruce's performance on it, and frankly, I have no idea what anyone was talking about. It's a live album. If people thought this was rough, wait till they hear The Book Of Souls: Live Chapter.
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« Reply #1521 on: November 28, 2017, 01:53:18 PM »
Every time I listen to Dance of Death I like it way more than I'm expecting. The production is a shame but most of the songs are solid. I'd rank the reunion albums as follows

A Matter of Life and Death
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Book of Souls
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« Reply #1522 on: November 28, 2017, 02:20:32 PM »
All of the reunion albums are fantastic, great or at the very least good! But here's how I'd rank them..

1. Brave New World
2. A Matter of Life and Death
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« Reply #1523 on: November 28, 2017, 03:21:29 PM »
I would recommend the hdtracks version of this album. The remastering makes a lot of difference for better.
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« Reply #1524 on: November 29, 2017, 08:12:21 AM »
Okay, okay. Another ranking!

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« Reply #1525 on: November 29, 2017, 08:30:30 AM »
I can't honestly rank the reunion albums, they're all so consistent.  Maybe all things considered I had enjoyed the least The Final Frontier, and I was very positively impressed by and attached to Dance of Death and The Book of Souls, but this doesn't mean the remaining two are average.
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« Reply #1526 on: November 29, 2017, 01:39:34 PM »
And we've finally come to the point when I became a fan, which was after DoD's release but before DotR.  I was simply blown away by songs Rainmaker and Dance of Death when I first heard this album, which my college roommate had bought and we listened together for the first time driving back to college after spring break.  We kept going back to those two songs and had one hell of a fun drive back to school. 

Kind of bummed I missed seeing IM at those few NYC shows, they played at Hammerstein Ballroom which is sooo much smaller than any other venue I've seen them before.  Would have been so cool and I've seen so many other concerts there before.  And speaking of missed opportunities, I was actually REALLY REALLY close to seeing the Give Me Ed Till Im Dead tour.  They played at the local Amphitheater in my town and I had bought a ticket pack which included 6 (I think?) lawn seats to any of like 10 different shows that summer.  It was the summer before I left for college.  I ended up going to Sammy Hagar/Lynyrd Skynyrd and Def Leppard instead, but was strongly considering that show, not because I was into IM (I didn't really know their music much besides RttH and TNotB at that point), but because it was such a cool line up of bands. 

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« Reply #1527 on: November 30, 2017, 11:43:49 PM »
Amazing write-up as usual! My only point of contention would be not mentioning Prodigal Son as the band's first ballad.
I did mention it earlier as a song with prominent acoustic guitars, as well as Wasting Love. Both songs could be considered ballads but they still sorta went through the "Maiden filter". Journeyman went through the Maiden filter (see the electric version) and then they ultimately decided to take a more unexpected approach.

Not only that, but that absolutely horrendous cover. Still blows my mind that anyone could've actually said "That's IT! I want the cover exactly like this - no more 'fixing' it!" Would love to see what the cover art would have looked like had it been properly finished. Mosh, have any of the guys other than Bruce ever commented on the artwork, either back then (when it was released) or more recently?

Bruce actually defended the cover back when they were doing initial promotion. The thing with Maiden though is that they're all pretty passive. Adrian is opinionated about the music but doesn't seem to care much about the visual side of things. Nicko will only say positive things about the band and Steve will stand by any band decision. Janick and Dave don't really say anything.  Bruce is the only one who will give a critical account of the past. It's when he's talking about the current state of the band that you're going to want to be skeptical.

To that end, it seems like Bruce is the only one other than Steve and Rod who takes an active interest in things like album covers. It makes sense, being a lyricist he is a visual guy. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the band just goes with whatever Steve approves of.

When I first saw the cover, I liked it. I guess I never rally examined it for all that's there. Those days are long gone for me, but I loved the concept and the color scheme. And as Stadler said, the pictures with the band members are spectacular. I was very impressed. I actually think it's the best photo shoot the band has ever done.

The booklet and back cover are awesome. I would definitely agree it's their best photo shoot and I would take it further by saying that the back cover is possibly the best picture of the band. It's definitely the best reunion era photo. Rush tends to be the band that most people point to for having a nice matured image (and deservedly so) but Maiden are definitely up there too.

I do like the whole vibe and concept of Dance of Death. It is one of their more unique and interesting concepts for an album. Even the cover concept isn't bad, it's just a totally failed execution. Just Eddie with the monks would've been fine. I will say it's a more interesting theme than Brave New World though.

Kind of bummed I missed seeing IM at those few NYC shows, they played at Hammerstein Ballroom which is sooo much smaller than any other venue I've seen them before.  Would have been so cool and I've seen so many other concerts there before. 

I remember being bummed that they didn't come to Denver on the Dance of Death tour (it wasn't until much later that I learned that they pretty much skipped over the US completely). They posted pictures of the stage and the No More Lies video on the website and I thought the stage was so cool.
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I tend to agree with the general consensus on Dance of Death, although my opinion on it has also evolved from somewhat indifferent to gushing love to somewhere in the middle. As I mentioned earlier, Give Me Ed was my introduction to Maiden. My dad actually showed me Number of the Beast a few weeks earlier and that in addition to the concert had me instantly hooked. I loved the imagery in their album artwork, it was like something out of a comic book or computer game (I actually thought Number of the Beast was a computer game like Doom or Diablo).

Anyway, the concert was a magical experience. There are moments that I still remember vividly even though it was almost 15 years ago. First is the fact that they opened with Number of the Beast, as I knew that song pretty well by the time the concert happened. I also remember thinking the light up sixes were very cool, although they look a little cheap in retrospect. I also remember both Eddie appearances. I can't remember if I was expecting Eddie to make a live appearance, but I thought it was awesome. That was all I talked about in the days following the concert. I also remember how they closed with Run To the Hills, probably the only other song I really recognized. The drapes were also cool, it was fun seeing what would come up next. The Run to the Hills one stuck out to me in particular, what's cooler than Eddie fighting the devil? If it's not already obvious, the visual element of Maiden was probably the most important aspect for 7 year old Mosh.

The album came out a few weeks later. I remember my dad picking me up from school one day and he had it in the car with him, although it was still in the shrink wrap. I liked the cover, I didn't think anything of the CGI figures, it was just exciting that there was a new Iron Maiden album cover. We got home and listened to it on his computer. I remember enjoying it but it was also way too long, much more than I could handle at that time. As a result, growing up I was mostly only really familiar with the first half of the album. I tended to tune out or turn it off altogether after Dance of Death. Even back then I didn't like Gates of Tomorrow and I still don't. I enjoyed both Brave New World and Dance of Death but they were long, a little heavier and more raw than what I usually liked, and, believe it or not, I wasn't really a fan of the older sounding Bruce. I thought he lacked the grit and character of his 80s performances. I still feel that way to a certain degree, although I tend to think he improved in other areas that made the late 90s and early 00s his peak as a vocalist.

As I got older, I discovered fan message boards (specifically the official Iron Maiden forum) and it was obvious that not only was their recent work very popular, many fans considered even then to be among their best work. I also remember the general consensus seemed to be that each reunion album was better than the rest (AMOLAD had been out by then but I hadn't heard it yet, that's another story). So Dance of Death wasn't quite as unpopular as it is now, I also think the fact that their reunion output has been so consistently good that it makes Dance of Death look a little weaker in retrospect. Anyway, the high popularity of the recent stuff made me revisit those albums and, between Dance of Death and Brave New World, Dance of Death actually stuck out the most. The back half of the album was pretty much all new to me and I was pleasantly surprised by it. I really liked the acoustic Journeyman and how unique in the Maiden catalog it was (by now I could appreciate more than the surface level stuff), I thought Face In the Sand and Age of Innocence were both great rockers that had a little more bite than the 80s material. I also liked (and still like to this day) New Frontier. But then there was Paschendale. That song totally blew me away and was my favorite Maiden song for a few years. It's still great although I think I overplayed it to the point where I can't really enjoy it as much as I used to.

Nowadays I've scaled back my love for Dance of Death. It's still a very good album and since I don't listen to  it much, it can be fun to go back to and revisit some of the more obscure songs, but there's also a lot of stuff that doesn't work. The problem with the album to me is that a lot of the more experimental stuff hasn't been fully developed yet and the more straightforward stuff (Wildest Dreams and Gates of Tomorrow especially) feel uninspired and unexciting compared to the rockers on Brave New World. I still appreciate how different Journeyman is but I think when the novelty of an all acoustic song wears off it becomes apparent that it's not a very strong song. Maiden don't do acoustic for a reason. They also made better use of acoustic guitars on later ballads (Out of the Shadows and Coming Home). No More Lies is guilty of all the things people typically complain about with modern Maiden: overly long, repetitive chorus, uninspired riffing in the verses. There's a good song in there somewhere but it's also severely lacking.

That being said, when the album is good it's fantastic. Rainmaker and Montsegur are still some of their best short rockers. I love the leads and solo in Rainmaker, it's some of Dave's best work. Montsegur is also one of Janick's best contributions and to this day one of the best short rockers of the reunion era. Total crime that it was never played live and it would be on my shortlist of songs that haven't been played live that should be played live. I still really like Face in the Sand, great chorus and some devastating riffs. Then there's Paschendale and Dance of Death, not much left to be said about those two.

TAC makes a good point about it being impressive that they even made a followup to Brave New World. If nothing else, Dance of Death validated the lineup. This was not going to be a one shot deal and the reunion really didn't stop any of the creative momentum they had been quietly building through the 90s.






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« Reply #1528 on: December 01, 2017, 03:51:23 AM »
I agree on the higlights (Really, why Montsegur wasn't played live, damn) and the relative lows - Wildest Dreams pales in comparison to The Wicker Man, and also the lyrics were kinda thrown together, on this album Steve Harris really abused the use of the word "just" (look at Wildest Dreams and No More Lies' lyrics).
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1529 on: December 01, 2017, 04:09:37 AM »
This is probably the one reunion album I’ve listened to the least so I’ve been playing it at work a bit lately. I think aside from Gates of Tomorrow and Wikdest Dreams that it is an incredibly solid album with two of their strongest choruses ever in Age Of Innocence and Montsegur. AoE is to me one of their most underrated songs along with Run Silent Run Deep.

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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1530 on: December 01, 2017, 07:22:27 AM »
To that end, it seems like Bruce is the only one other than Steve and Rod who takes an active interest in things like album covers. It makes sense, being a lyricist he is a visual guy. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the band just goes with whatever Steve approves of.

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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1531 on: December 01, 2017, 07:40:58 AM »
I really wasn't a huge fan of Wildest Dreams either until I saw it live, I thought it worked really well in the live setting in a future tour when IM brought it back. 

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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1532 on: December 01, 2017, 07:45:13 AM »
I agree on the higlights (Really, why Montsegur wasn't played live, damn)
I guess it’s because it seems extremely difficult to Bruce to sing it live. Apart the instrumental section, Bruce don’t catch a breath on the rest of the song, like almost non stop singing.
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Virtual XI (1998)
« Reply #1533 on: December 01, 2017, 08:21:44 AM »
This album has grown on me over the years, and it's not even in the bottom three for me (or maybe tied for third worst).   I like this a WHOLE lot more than TXF.  It is a shade repetitive at times, but I like Angel... and I like the album closer.  I would not at all call Futureal a Maiden "classic".   
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1534 on: December 01, 2017, 08:50:04 AM »
To that end, it seems like Bruce is the only one other than Steve and Rod who takes an active interest in things like album covers. It makes sense, being a lyricist he is a visual guy. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the band just goes with whatever Steve approves of.

"Theater of the mind".    He must've said that 50 times if he said it once in his book.

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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1535 on: December 01, 2017, 08:54:16 AM »
I wasn’t impressed with Wildest Dreams live. It wasn’t a great opener and it was kinda boring on TFF 2011. Again, Monstegur would’ve been a much better opener.
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1536 on: December 01, 2017, 08:54:56 AM »
To that end, it seems like Bruce is the only one other than Steve and Rod who takes an active interest in things like album covers. It makes sense, being a lyricist he is a visual guy. I wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the band just goes with whatever Steve approves of.

"Theater of the mind".    He must've said that 50 times if he said it once in his book.

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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1537 on: December 02, 2017, 06:06:51 AM »
This is the weakest of the reunion era albums for me in terms of total minutes of music I enjoy. I love the first side up to the title track which is hit and miss for me. I like some parts but not the song as a whole. The songs on the second side, with the exception of Paschendale and Journeyman come across as uninspired. I find the whole disc listenable but tend to loose focus on the second half.


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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Brave New World Tour/Rock In Rio (2000-01)
« Reply #1538 on: December 02, 2017, 06:19:42 AM »
I had been a fan of the band since the mid 80's, but this is the first tour that I seen them live. It was at the Blossom Music Center in the Cleveland, Ohio area. Halford and Queensryche were the openers with Halford playing first. Which is really a shame, because they played a far superior set than QR. In fact, I remember there being some pleasant surprises in Halford's set at the time, but I can't remember exactly what they were. I think that he played a song or two from Sad Wings of Destiny, though. (Maybe Tyrant?)

I remember Maiden being absolutely brilliant that night. Nicko was very impressive. There was a slight hickup in the middle of Hallowed Be Thy Name, and he really held the band together through the mistake, and got them back on track. I also remember Bruce bitching about the state of music in his rant. If I remember right, he made fun of Nirvana which went over really well with the crowd.

This was my first show since last seeing them on the tour for No Prayer for the Dying. I was really looking forward to it as I had not seen either QR or JP/Halford in concert. I already had the new Halford album and loved it (still do). The traffic was horrendous on the way out and I remember seeing license plates from states all around Ohio and thought man, it's great to see Maiden gaining back their popularity with so many people willing to travel out of state to see them. Later I learned that Blossom was the only place they played in this part of the Midwest - the nearest other shows being Chicago or Philadelphia or some other place way far away. So much for that theory!

Maiden were on fire this night and since I love Brave New World I thought it was a great show.

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2 Minutes to Midnight
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Sign of the Cross
The Mercenary
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Dream of Mirrors
The Clansman
The Evil That Men Do
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Re: Iron Maiden Discography Thread: Dance of Death (2003 - 04)
« Reply #1539 on: December 03, 2017, 09:56:41 AM »
Watched Death on the Road last night, I still have to say it's the worst of the reunion era videos (I've yet to watch The Book of Souls Live Chapter but I doubt it's much worse). The editing makes it unwatchable and the performance isn't great. Bruce sounds tired, bungles a lot of lyrics, and there are some iffy moments from the band too (the end of Paschendale).

It's a shame though because it's probably their best stage show ever and probably the best source material for a live DVD. The fast editing makes it hard to appreciate the stage unfortunately.
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