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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5110 on: June 27, 2020, 06:14:57 AM »
It's not like anyone (ok, maybe there are some) are going to think their personal beliefs and views are unreasonable and/or irrational.  If they did, logic would suggest they'd be willing to change them?
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5111 on: June 27, 2020, 01:35:30 PM »
Thye 'giving him a chance' part is what rubs me the wrong way. WHY would you want to give an untrustworthy individual, who has NO previous experience in politics AT ALL 'a chance' at running your country (and doing arguably one of the world's most demanding jobs from a political standpoint) for 4 years? It's completely baffling to me personally.

That is a fair point, but I would counter it with saying that since he won the election, wouldn't initially giving him a chance be the more appropriate response that to RESIST! everything and be NOT MY PRESIDENT! from day one? If you are trying to do "one of the "world's most demanding jobs," wouldn't it be beneficial to everyone to avoid making the job harder for him at every possible turn and treating him like crap? We can re-evaluate years later and say "yeah, we gave you a chance, but it hasn't been working out, we wish you all the best in your future endeavors..." and vote appropriately 4 years later.

Stadler has said (sorry if I am mis-quoting) that while he thinks Socialism is the completely wrong path for this country to pursue, if the majority of its citizens opt for that path at the voting booth, he will acquiesce, and not obstruct, demean, and RESIST! because it would not be best for the progress of the nation. (Stadler, please jump in if I am not making your point correctly).
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5112 on: June 27, 2020, 01:39:45 PM »
Once he was elected, I gave him the benefit of the doubt, he lasted about 4 days.  :lol

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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5113 on: June 27, 2020, 01:52:07 PM »
Thye 'giving him a chance' part is what rubs me the wrong way. WHY would you want to give an untrustworthy individual, who has NO previous experience in politics AT ALL 'a chance' at running your country (and doing arguably one of the world's most demanding jobs from a political standpoint) for 4 years? It's completely baffling to me personally.

That is a fair point, but I would counter it with saying that since he won the election, wouldn't initially giving him a chance be the more appropriate response that to RESIST! everything and be NOT MY PRESIDENT! from day one?

I kind of agree with this, but that's not what I was suggesting. I was trying to voice what I felt about the situation that led to him being the Republic nominee in the first place. The whole idea of somebody with NO experience at all taking a shot and winning is just .. so strange. You wouldn't want a random person with no construction experience at all build your house. Yet in politics, this seems possible (and no, this is not just an isolated case with Trump, it's happening all around the world. People with big mouths and influence in one way or another thinking they can 'do' politics all of a sudden).
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5114 on: June 27, 2020, 01:58:47 PM »
The whole idea of somebody with NO experience at all taking a shot and winning is just .. so strange. You wouldn't want a random person with no construction experience at all build your house. Yet in politics, this seems possible (and no, this is not just an isolated case with Trump, it's happening all around the world. People with big mouths and influence in one way or another thinking they can 'do' politics all of a sudden).

I fully subscribe to what you are saying above. And I LOL'ed at lonestar's quote as I am sure many of us feel the same.
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5115 on: June 27, 2020, 02:19:48 PM »
Thye 'giving him a chance' part is what rubs me the wrong way. WHY would you want to give an untrustworthy individual, who has NO previous experience in politics AT ALL 'a chance' at running your country (and doing arguably one of the world's most demanding jobs from a political standpoint) for 4 years? It's completely baffling to me personally.

That is a fair point, but I would counter it with saying that since he won the election, wouldn't initially giving him a chance be the more appropriate response that to RESIST! everything and be NOT MY PRESIDENT! from day one? If you are trying to do "one of the "world's most demanding jobs," wouldn't it be beneficial to everyone to avoid making the job harder for him at every possible turn and treating him like crap? We can re-evaluate years later and say "yeah, we gave you a chance, but it hasn't been working out, we wish you all the best in your future endeavors..." and vote appropriately 4 years later.

Stadler has said (sorry if I am mis-quoting) that while he thinks Socialism is the completely wrong path for this country to pursue, if the majority of its citizens opt for that path at the voting booth, he will acquiesce, and not obstruct, demean, and RESIST! because it would not be best for the progress of the nation. (Stadler, please jump in if I am not making your point correctly).

The thing is, though, it was clear from day 1 exactly who and what the guy was. Even putting aside his politics (I mean, whenever he can actually articulate a position an issue which doesn't seem to be that often), it was blindingly obvious that he was a huge, irredeemable piece of shit. Not to mention apparently being utterly disinterested in learning how to actually do the fucking job. The notion of 'give him a chance' or 'don't try to make things harder for him' is completely baffling to me. Did he ever give the impression at any point in his life that he would be a good choice in president for anyone who wasn't a straight white man? He had his entire life to prove he deserved to be given a chance, and he failed.
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« Reply #5116 on: June 27, 2020, 02:22:03 PM »
I don't think Trump was elected and, for absolutely no reason what so ever, a bunch of people decided to hate him. People were reacting to what he said/did, and how he conducted himself.

That said, Obama was also truly despised by a WHOLE bunch of Americans (many of whom were led by Trump to question his birth place for no reason at all) when he was elected and he still managed to remain very presidential the whole time. You may not agree with his policies, but how he conducted himself was always pretty respectable.
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5117 on: June 27, 2020, 02:26:29 PM »
You may not agree with his policies, but how he conducted himself was always pretty respectable.

I think Obama is an incredible person, father and husband. I disagreed with much of his policies but never once believed he had anything but the best of intentions and was a genuine person.




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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5118 on: June 28, 2020, 07:01:12 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-bounties-to-taliban-linked-militants-resulted-in-deaths-of-us-troops-according-to-intelligence-assessments/2020/06/28/74ffaec2-b96a-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

This is about as bad as it gets. I find it fairly unlikely that nobody would brief him on this. We all know how disinterested in intelligence briefings he is, though, so it's possible it got glossed over. In any case, there really isn't a non-damning explanation for this. Whether he ignored it, or has people around him that won't even bother trying to get him information, this is massive negligence in matters of national security. And while there might not be a non-damning explanation, there's gotta be something other than "BUT, BUT, BENGHAZI!!!" which will be the only thing he has to say about it.
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5119 on: June 28, 2020, 07:23:08 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-bounties-to-taliban-linked-militants-resulted-in-deaths-of-us-troops-according-to-intelligence-assessments/2020/06/28/74ffaec2-b96a-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

This is about as bad as it gets. I find it fairly unlikely that nobody would brief him on this. We all know how disinterested in intelligence briefings he is, though, so it's possible it got glossed over. In any case, there really isn't a non-damning explanation for this. Whether he ignored it, or has people around him that won't even bother trying to get him information, this is massive negligence in matters of national security. And while there might not be a non-damning explanation, there's gotta be something other than "BUT, BUT, BENGHAZI!!!" which will be the only thing he has to say about it.

Not that there needed to be another example as to how inept he is as President but here’s another example.

Can’t wait to see his excuse......because “I didn’t know” doesn’t cut it.
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« Reply #5120 on: June 28, 2020, 07:48:09 PM »
Remember the sink on Hillary's emails on Bengahzi?

Real quiet right now.

I certainly don't like Hillary but Republicans should be called out on this.
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5121 on: June 29, 2020, 05:16:47 AM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/russian-bounties-to-taliban-linked-militants-resulted-in-deaths-of-us-troops-according-to-intelligence-assessments/2020/06/28/74ffaec2-b96a-11ea-80b9-40ece9a701dc_story.html

This is about as bad as it gets. I find it fairly unlikely that nobody would brief him on this. We all know how disinterested in intelligence briefings he is, though, so it's possible it got glossed over. In any case, there really isn't a non-damning explanation for this. Whether he ignored it, or has people around him that won't even bother trying to get him information, this is massive negligence in matters of national security. And while there might not be a non-damning explanation, there's gotta be something other than "BUT, BUT, BENGHAZI!!!" which will be the only thing he has to say about it.

Not that there needed to be another example as to how inept he is as President but here’s another example.

Can’t wait to see his excuse......because “I didn’t know” doesn’t cut it.

It looks like the official excuse they've chosen to go with is that Trump's people didn't find the report credible enough.






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« Reply #5122 on: June 29, 2020, 05:56:10 AM »
According to the late night tweet he sent put, it's possibly "another fabricated Russia Hoax, maybe by the fake news media @nytimes, wanting to make Republicans look bad"


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« Reply #5123 on: June 29, 2020, 08:12:24 AM »
The silly part is that this is an easy one, and if he's even marginally competent, a truthful one. "We know all about it and we're unable to discuss what we're doing about it." The truth is that we don't have the weight to throw around anymore, so the only thing we could do about it would have to remain undisclosed.

My thinking on this goes back to cold war style tactics. We have neither the economic not military clout to bully Russia around, so we go back to how we all did things 50 years ago. In this case, do the same thing. Or hell, do it ourselves. From time to time IED a car with four Russian agents in it. If anybody asks, pull an Eddie Murphy:

It wasn't me.
But bomb residue says you did it.
Wasn't me. 
We have video of your guys doing it.
Wasn't me.
One of them confessed!
Wasn't me.

And since Russia is essentially in the same boat as us, unable to push us around directly, that'll be the end of it. Won't be satisfying for a guy like Trump, though. Good moves done quietly will never win out over dumb moves that make a big splash. 
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« Reply #5124 on: June 29, 2020, 12:24:20 PM »
Thye 'giving him a chance' part is what rubs me the wrong way. WHY would you want to give an untrustworthy individual, who has NO previous experience in politics AT ALL 'a chance' at running your country (and doing arguably one of the world's most demanding jobs from a political standpoint) for 4 years? It's completely baffling to me personally.

That is a fair point, but I would counter it with saying that since he won the election, wouldn't initially giving him a chance be the more appropriate response that to RESIST! everything and be NOT MY PRESIDENT! from day one? If you are trying to do "one of the "world's most demanding jobs," wouldn't it be beneficial to everyone to avoid making the job harder for him at every possible turn and treating him like crap? We can re-evaluate years later and say "yeah, we gave you a chance, but it hasn't been working out, we wish you all the best in your future endeavors..." and vote appropriately 4 years later.

Stadler has said (sorry if I am mis-quoting) that while he thinks Socialism is the completely wrong path for this country to pursue, if the majority of its citizens opt for that path at the voting booth, he will acquiesce, and not obstruct, demean, and RESIST! because it would not be best for the progress of the nation. (Stadler, please jump in if I am not making your point correctly).

You hit it square on the nose. 

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« Reply #5125 on: June 29, 2020, 12:32:08 PM »
Thye 'giving him a chance' part is what rubs me the wrong way. WHY would you want to give an untrustworthy individual, who has NO previous experience in politics AT ALL 'a chance' at running your country (and doing arguably one of the world's most demanding jobs from a political standpoint) for 4 years? It's completely baffling to me personally.

That is a fair point, but I would counter it with saying that since he won the election, wouldn't initially giving him a chance be the more appropriate response that to RESIST! everything and be NOT MY PRESIDENT! from day one?

I kind of agree with this, but that's not what I was suggesting. I was trying to voice what I felt about the situation that led to him being the Republic nominee in the first place. The whole idea of somebody with NO experience at all taking a shot and winning is just .. so strange. You wouldn't want a random person with no construction experience at all build your house. Yet in politics, this seems possible (and no, this is not just an isolated case with Trump, it's happening all around the world. People with big mouths and influence in one way or another thinking they can 'do' politics all of a sudden).

We do this all the time, though, just not at the Presidential level.  At least from a "perception" level, anyway.    Jesse "The Body" Ventura.  Al Franken.  Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.  And these are just the celebrities.   

And let's not rewrite history; now it's very popular to just accept that Trump has done nothing right his entire life, but before he ran, and before the baser level of his politicing, he was reasonably highly regarded.  He considered running as far back as 1988, and actually ran for a short time as a "Reform Party" candidate in 2000. 

Finally, and I've said this before though not many people acknowledge it, there was a TON of distaste for the "politics as usual" recycling of people over the past 16 years.   Sure, Obama was a relative newcomer on the scene, but he stocked his bench with the Democrat tried and true:   Biden, Clinton, Kerry...   Can't really name a big-wig in Democrat party politics that didn't have some say in the Obama Administration, and it was similar in the Bush years.  Honestly, I shared that distaste deeply, but couldn't get past the fact that Trump NEVER ONCE held an elected office, and that was too much.  I think you have to have some understanding of the process and the administration of government to be leading it. 

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« Reply #5126 on: June 29, 2020, 12:33:10 PM »
Thye 'giving him a chance' part is what rubs me the wrong way. WHY would you want to give an untrustworthy individual, who has NO previous experience in politics AT ALL 'a chance' at running your country (and doing arguably one of the world's most demanding jobs from a political standpoint) for 4 years? It's completely baffling to me personally.

That is a fair point, but I would counter it with saying that since he won the election, wouldn't initially giving him a chance be the more appropriate response that to RESIST! everything and be NOT MY PRESIDENT! from day one? If you are trying to do "one of the "world's most demanding jobs," wouldn't it be beneficial to everyone to avoid making the job harder for him at every possible turn and treating him like crap? We can re-evaluate years later and say "yeah, we gave you a chance, but it hasn't been working out, we wish you all the best in your future endeavors..." and vote appropriately 4 years later.

Stadler has said (sorry if I am mis-quoting) that while he thinks Socialism is the completely wrong path for this country to pursue, if the majority of its citizens opt for that path at the voting booth, he will acquiesce, and not obstruct, demean, and RESIST! because it would not be best for the progress of the nation. (Stadler, please jump in if I am not making your point correctly).

The thing is, though, it was clear from day 1 exactly who and what the guy was. Even putting aside his politics (I mean, whenever he can actually articulate a position an issue which doesn't seem to be that often), it was blindingly obvious that he was a huge, irredeemable piece of shit. Not to mention apparently being utterly disinterested in learning how to actually do the fucking job. The notion of 'give him a chance' or 'don't try to make things harder for him' is completely baffling to me. Did he ever give the impression at any point in his life that he would be a good choice in president for anyone who wasn't a straight white man? He had his entire life to prove he deserved to be given a chance, and he failed.

I think this is hyperbolic. 

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« Reply #5127 on: June 29, 2020, 03:28:18 PM »
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« Reply #5128 on: June 29, 2020, 03:36:22 PM »
Yeah, I was being generous.  :lol
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« Reply #5129 on: June 29, 2020, 10:36:40 PM »
Just this afternoon they doubled down on the "he had no clue" story. Not only did he not know before the story broke, and four top advisors will verify that, according to Kayleigh McEnany he still doesn't know about anything about it. How is this even possible? It's been a thing for four days. We've gotten to the point that "he doesn't pay attention to what's going on around him" is the best explanation they can come up with. This on the same day that he re-tweets White Power Guy, and says he didn't actually listen to what he was saying.

Over the last 5 years there have been plenty of WTF moments. Probably three times I've put my hands on my head and said "holy fuck" in abject bewilderment. This is a whole new level of astonishment. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that something so amazingly stupid is happening around us, and might actually get reaffirmed in five months. I mean, holy fuck!

Also, Kayleigh McEnany really sucks at her job. Being the White House propagandist is a really tough gig. I get that. But there are plenty of people who can do it well, and any president should be able to find one. I think it might be the case that somebody decided eye candy would be more useful than competent messaging, and given the target audience, they're probably right. I wonder if we'll see her outfits get skimpier as the situation worsens.
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« Reply #5130 on: June 29, 2020, 11:25:47 PM »
Not really.

And less so by the day.  Maybe by the hour these Days.
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« Reply #5131 on: June 30, 2020, 04:53:37 AM »
Over the last 5 years there have been plenty of WTF moments. Probably three times I've put my hands on my head and said "holy fuck" in abject bewilderment. This is a whole new level of astonishment. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that something so amazingly stupid is happening around us, and might actually get reaffirmed in five months. I mean, holy fuck!

As an outside casual observer on both matters, this situation is 10x worse than Benghazi, and the Right crucified Hilary over that.  Are any in the GOP stepping up / speaking out over this one?  Serious question, cuz I've grown to ignore the Gong Show partisan BS you guys call politics.

Gary, given how vocal I seem to recall you being over the years vis-a-vis Benghazi, what are your thoughts on this matter?  Not trying to 'call you out', I'm legitimately curious.
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« Reply #5132 on: June 30, 2020, 05:41:28 AM »
Over the last 5 years there have been plenty of WTF moments. Probably three times I've put my hands on my head and said "holy fuck" in abject bewilderment. This is a whole new level of astonishment. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that something so amazingly stupid is happening around us, and might actually get reaffirmed in five months. I mean, holy fuck!

As an outside casual observer on both matters, this situation is 10x worse than Benghazi, and the Right crucified Hilary over that.  Are any in the GOP stepping up / speaking out over this one?  Serious question, cuz I've grown to ignore the Gong Show partisan BS you guys call politics.

There were a few in congress yesterday who voiced the need to have an investigation. I guess that's a start. What types of questions get asked and what they decide to do based on those answers is where the real test is going to be. Liz Cheney seems to be pretty pissed about it, and just after the news broke Graham said it was "imperative" that an investigation happen, but that was before a round of golf with Trump. So who knows where he stands now. Mac Thornberry (R on the intelligence committee) said that he wants a briefing from the department of defense at some point early this week.

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« Reply #5133 on: June 30, 2020, 09:04:25 AM »
Over the last 5 years there have been plenty of WTF moments. Probably three times I've put my hands on my head and said "holy fuck" in abject bewilderment. This is a whole new level of astonishment. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that something so amazingly stupid is happening around us, and might actually get reaffirmed in five months. I mean, holy fuck!

As an outside casual observer on both matters, this situation is 10x worse than Benghazi, and the Right crucified Hilary over that.  Are any in the GOP stepping up / speaking out over this one?  Serious question, cuz I've grown to ignore the Gong Show partisan BS you guys call politics.

Gary, given how vocal I seem to recall you being over the years vis-a-vis Benghazi, what are your thoughts on this matter?  Not trying to 'call you out', I'm legitimately curious.

Responding from my phone right now so this will be More brief than I’d like but I’m short.....I don’t see it as worse than Benghazi.....I see it just as bad and in the same realm but the level of deception and cover up with Benghazi is equal to the level of ineptness involved here.

One situation was a group of people who thought they could cover up their massive F up and this one is a situation of a dude who is not only an idiot but who has surrounded himself with people who either fear him for some reason or who are just woefully out of their league.....resulting in amateur hour.

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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5134 on: June 30, 2020, 10:07:25 AM »
This bounty thing hits close to home; I have a step son in the Army in Afghanistan right now.  His wife and three-year-old are waiting for him to come home, in one piece (physically AND mentally).  My wife (his mom) sat at her desk in a pool of tears when she read that story.  I've not seen her cry like that, well, ever.  It angers me that Trump is so cavalier about this, and I'm scared for him.  But my personal anger and fear isn't relevant.  I cannot say any of this is surprising, nor would my feelings be assuaged if he DID offer any compassion.   I am too aware of the environment in which we operate today; I don't see how in the grand scheme of things we're better with Biden.   We're talking "optics" here, and what's more important?  That the president whoever he/she is "says" the right things, or that this ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN TO FUCKING BEGIN WITH?

To Chad, who didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway, I think Gary has it pretty close:  we're sitting here unable to give Trump even a SHRED of credit, literally saying he's incapable of anything positive in any aspect of his life, and yet comparing his behavior to the bad acts of a seasoned political operative, with decades of public service experience.   Benghazi is AT LEAST as bad, because a) some of that was IN her control, b) she had every reason to know better, and c) has been beating the drum on "truth" and "integrity" for the last four years.  She wasn't a drunk sailor on shore leave blindly trying to find his bunk.  She ACTED (as opposed to "reacted"), and she did so with intent and knowing.   Here, he and his staff are handling it as ineptly as Derek Sherinian handles a Twitter account, but it's all reacting to something they have no idea how to handle.

In all this partisan, social-media gamesmanship, we've lost control of the ship.  Right, wrong or indifferent, there was CONTINUITY in the past.   From Eisenhower to Nixon, there were variations in style, but there was a predictability, an 'establishment' if you will, of platform when dealing with the United States Of America.   Since Clinton, we've been ping-ponging from "strategy" to "strategy" (in quotes, because it's NOT a strategy, just a loosely strung chain of tactics).  It's got to stop. We (well, I) need to start seeing something tangible from Joe that he's aware of that.   FOR ME, neither scenario is even remotely acceptable, but I think it's a fair debate to ask whether - LONG TERM FOR THE COUNTRY - knowing and willful deceit is a worthwhile trade for casual, accidental ineptitude. 

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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5135 on: June 30, 2020, 10:17:55 AM »
It’s not a fair debate as it’s a binary choice between two inaccurate descriptions of the candidates.  Talk about hyperbole.  It’s practically apologist and straw man in nature.

If we want a real debate about the future of our country, related to our future POTUS, we should at least be honest about the way we describe the candidates.  "knowing and willful deceit" vs "casual, accidental ineptitude"?  Really?
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5136 on: June 30, 2020, 11:47:41 AM »
And can we possibly stop contrasting “seasoned” politicians to Trump as somehow Trump isn’t?  He has had almost 4 years as the President of the United States.... if he isn’t seasoned by now it is because he purposely chooses not to learn how to do his job.  Saying Benghazi is at least as bad as this current issue due to the experience of the politician, Is being intellectually dishonest IMO.

Trump isn’t a rookie or an outsider anymore, so we should not give those excuses anymore.
If he is still inept after almost 4 years, then he is inept....and at this point you might have to make the determination that it isn’t accidental anymore.
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5137 on: June 30, 2020, 12:10:27 PM »
So I've been reading a lot of this today.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-white-power-tweet-racist-video-protests-golfing-tim-scott-a9593816.html

Donald Trump’s aides were reportedly unable to contact him for hours after he posted a video to his Twitter page of a supporter chanting “white power” because he had put his phone away and gone golfing.

Outcry over the president’s latest controversial tweet on Sunday was swift and fierce, with Senator Tim Scott (R—SC), the Senate’s sole black Republican, describing it as “indefensible” and imploring Mr Trump to remove the video from his profile.

But he could not be reached, as the president had put his phone away shortly after retweeting the video with a caption of his own to enjoy a day of golfing at his private club in Virginia, according to NBC News.


Hard to say whether the above it true, but it got me thinking (this doesn't pertain only to Trump). Should the president of the United States ever be unreachable? It kind of escapes me in this day and age that he couldn't be reached in some capacity. There had to be 30 secret service people within earshot of the guy. 

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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5138 on: June 30, 2020, 12:21:56 PM »
I'm sure in a situation that actually warranted the immediate reaction of the president, the Secret Service would have been contacted and stepped in. A stupid tweet is hardly that type of situation.

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« Reply #5139 on: June 30, 2020, 12:33:06 PM »
I'm sure in a situation that actually warranted the immediate reaction of the president, the Secret Service would have been contacted and stepped in. A stupid tweet is hardly that type of situation.

A tweet re-tweeting a Trump Supporter shouting "White Power" is clearly not on the level of say a 9/11 event....but it certainly warrants the immediate attention of the POTUS to pull that shit down ASAP, yes?
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5140 on: June 30, 2020, 12:35:36 PM »
This bounty thing hits close to home; I have a step son in the Army in Afghanistan right now.  His wife and three-year-old are waiting for him to come home, in one piece (physically AND mentally).  My wife (his mom) sat at her desk in a pool of tears when she read that story.  I've not seen her cry like that, well, ever.  It angers me that Trump is so cavalier about this, and I'm scared for him.  But my personal anger and fear isn't relevant.  I cannot say any of this is surprising, nor would my feelings be assuaged if he DID offer any compassion.   I am too aware of the environment in which we operate today; I don't see how in the grand scheme of things we're better with Biden.   We're talking "optics" here, and what's more important?  That the president whoever he/she is "says" the right things, or that this ACTUALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN TO FUCKING BEGIN WITH?
Once again, you're pining for what should be, and what would be best, at the expense of what we can have, and what would be an improvement. Biden doesn't fix America. Everybody's clear on that. Hell, for the sake of this discussion I'll grant that perhaps he makes things worse in the long run. Neither of those change the fact that there is a long run under Biden, and that extends to the well being of your kid. Biden sat in on every PDB. He was a foreign policy wonk before he was VP, and that's what actually landed him the gig to begin with. We can question his talent as such a person, but not his interest. Moreover, he's been around since the firickin Nixon administration. He's seen how 9 presidents deal with Russia and China. Both in the open and behind closed doors. The idea that he wouldn't be an improvement over Putin's lackey in this situation is, frankly, outlandish.

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To Chad, who didn't ask me but I'll answer anyway, I think Gary has it pretty close:  we're sitting here unable to give Trump even a SHRED of credit, literally saying he's incapable of anything positive in any aspect of his life, and yet comparing his behavior to the bad acts of a seasoned political operative, with decades of public service experience.   Benghazi is AT LEAST as bad, because a) some of that was IN her control, b) she had every reason to know better, and c) has been beating the drum on "truth" and "integrity" for the last four years.  She wasn't a drunk sailor on shore leave blindly trying to find his bunk.  She ACTED (as opposed to "reacted"), and she did so with intent and knowing.   Here, he and his staff are handling it as ineptly as Derek Sherinian handles a Twitter account, but it's all reacting to something they have no idea how to handle.
For one thing, has Trump done ANYTHING AT ALL to garner the benefit of the doubt? He gets no credit because he's gleefully been burning through every iota of credibility he's ever been given.

To the greater point, there were [I think] 8 investigations into Benghazi. Maybe 10. All of them found that the situation was handled poorly and was probably preventable. None of them found any actual malfeasance or any attempt at a coverup. You think Trey Gowdy, then head of the investigatory comittee, wasn't super-keen to nail Hillary to a cross over it? The worst he could say was that the misleading explanations had more to do with fog or war than an attempt to be deceitful, and that little of the incompetence that resulted in the thing would have likely reached Hillary. In my book she's ultimately responsible, or even Obama, as I'm a believer in the buck stops here. In the end there simply wasn't much there, though.

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In all this partisan, social-media gamesmanship, we've lost control of the ship.  Right, wrong or indifferent, there was CONTINUITY in the past.   From Eisenhower to Nixon, there were variations in style, but there was a predictability, an 'establishment' if you will, of platform when dealing with the United States Of America.   Since Clinton, we've been ping-ponging from "strategy" to "strategy" (in quotes, because it's NOT a strategy, just a loosely strung chain of tactics).  It's got to stop. We (well, I) need to start seeing something tangible from Joe that he's aware of that.   FOR ME, neither scenario is even remotely acceptable, but I think it's a fair debate to ask whether - LONG TERM FOR THE COUNTRY - knowing and willful deceit is a worthwhile trade for casual, accidental ineptitude. 
Clinton's was a pretty coherent strategy, in that it was essentially a continuation of Bush and Reagan before him. It was 2000 and the PNAC that radically changed things, and given the shitstorm it created, Obama and Trump are right to try and undo it.
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5141 on: June 30, 2020, 12:41:22 PM »
I'm sure in a situation that actually warranted the immediate reaction of the president, the Secret Service would have been contacted and stepped in. A stupid tweet is hardly that type of situation.
This. He's never far away from a major or Lt. colonel carrying the football. He's always reachable. It's just a matter of how important it is. That said, turning his phone off to play golf is kind of suspect. I mean, what if one of his dictator buddies want to call and joke with him about dead Houthi rebels?
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« Reply #5142 on: June 30, 2020, 01:03:37 PM »
I'm sure in a situation that actually warranted the immediate reaction of the president, the Secret Service would have been contacted and stepped in. A stupid tweet is hardly that type of situation.

A tweet re-tweeting a Trump Supporter shouting "White Power" is clearly not on the level of say a 9/11 event....but it certainly warrants the immediate attention of the POTUS to pull that shit down ASAP, yes?
Not when POTUS deliberately and willingly posted it in the first place.

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« Reply #5143 on: June 30, 2020, 01:10:53 PM »
I'm sure in a situation that actually warranted the immediate reaction of the president, the Secret Service would have been contacted and stepped in. A stupid tweet is hardly that type of situation.

A tweet re-tweeting a Trump Supporter shouting "White Power" is clearly not on the level of say a 9/11 event....but it certainly warrants the immediate attention of the POTUS to pull that shit down ASAP, yes?
Not when POTUS deliberately and willingly posted it in the first place.

Why not?  If the CEO of a company posted something damaging like that, and was causing public backlash, wouldn't it be in his, and his companies best interest to address that shit asap?  Would it be considered more important than trying to get that birdie on the par 5? (knowing full well with Trump it is really a quadruple bogey, and that he already used 3 balls on the hole).  Its 4 months to the election...isn't that shit extremely important?
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Re: Trump's Presidency thread. v 100 days and counting
« Reply #5144 on: June 30, 2020, 02:37:49 PM »
With the retweet. Why can't it be possible he retweeted based on what the person wrote, without having seen the video?

I'm sure in a situation that actually warranted the immediate reaction of the president, the Secret Service would have been contacted and stepped in. A stupid tweet is hardly that type of situation.
This. He's never far away from a major or Lt. colonel carrying the football. He's always reachable. It's just a matter of how important it is. That said, turning his phone off to play golf is kind of suspect. I mean, what if one of his dictator buddies want to call and joke with him about dead Houthi rebels?

It wouldn't matter if he had his phone off or not, if the Secret Service is there. How would you reach the POTUS if there so happened to be an event that shut off cellphone access?
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