2017 NFL thread v. Patriots Dynasty

[KevShmev]

My gut tells me that Kaepernick ends up on the Ravens in the next few days. 

When you look at Flacco's play since 2012 (he has been shitty), improving the QB position should be a priority.

[King Postwhore]

It is a good fit.  He can back up but my have the opportunity to start if Flacco's injury is serious.

[bosk1]

It is a good fit. 

But is it really?  Do they play anything close to the style of offense that he needs to have a chance at being successful?  That, IMO, is the biggest impediment to him getting signed, even apart from the baggage.  S.F.'s system under Harbaugh was designed to play to his strengths, and while he was able to hold it together, he thrived in that system.  But outside of a system like that, he seems to really struggle.

[King Postwhore]

The Ravens have always been flexible in tgeir offens. They could work with him.  Part of his decline was that e wasn't put in a good position when Harbaugh left.

His brother is as good a coach.

[El Barto]

It is a good fit. 

But is it really?  Do they play anything close to the style of offense that he needs to have a chance at being successful?  That, IMO, is the biggest impediment to him getting signed, even apart from the baggage.  S.F.'s system under Harbaugh was designed to play to his strengths, and while he was able to hold it together, he thrived in that system.  But outside of a system like that, he seems to really struggle.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm not sure how critical that is. When someone first brought it up I immediately thought of Jacoby Brisset. He's a lot closer to Kaep than he is Brady. Garoppolo seems to be a midpoint between them. NE is not going to run the same sort of offense if Brisset has to play. And there are other examples of this, as well. The Patriots started a game last year with Edleman as their backup QB. They've started games without the requisite number of O-linemen. Your gameplan reflects the tools at your disposal. I realize that Harbaugh is no Belichick, but he might well top the list of non-Belichick/Carroll coaches. He's perfectly capable of fielding a team that can improvise and change styles as the situation dictates.


edit: Expansion of King's ninja post.

[bosk1]

Okay.  But even if you are right (and I'm not necessarily saying you are--I still think CK's skill set is too limited for him to fit into an offense that is not specifically crafted to cater to that skill set), that still doesn't equate to "he is a good fit."  It more equates to, "he can be made to fit if the situation is dire enough that it necessitates him playing."

[El Barto]

Okay.  But even if you are right (and I'm not necessarily saying you are--I still think CK's skill set is too limited for him to fit into an offense that is not specifically crafted to cater to that skill set), that still doesn't equate to "he is a good fit."  It more equates to, "he can be made to fit if the situation is dire enough that it necessitates him playing."

You certainly might be right there. I'm not sure. Most teams don't value player flexibility the way NE does. That said, I've always thought having a different style backup is an asset. Nobody would want Kaep to have to finish the last 7 games of the season. Coming in in the second quarter, however, might be a good role, though. Think Vick coming in for the injured Kolb. Remember that the defense as to adjust and adapt just like the offense.

[Stadler]

It is a good fit. 

But is it really?  Do they play anything close to the style of offense that he needs to have a chance at being successful?  That, IMO, is the biggest impediment to him getting signed, even apart from the baggage.  S.F.'s system under Harbaugh was designed to play to his strengths, and while he was able to hold it together, he thrived in that system.  But outside of a system like that, he seems to really struggle.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but I'm not sure how critical that is. When someone first brought it up I immediately thought of Jacoby Brisset. He's a lot closer to Kaep than he is Brady. Garoppolo seems to be a midpoint between them. NE is not going to run the same sort of offense if Brisset has to play. And there are other examples of this, as well. The Patriots started a game last year with Edleman as their backup QB. They've started games without the requisite number of O-linemen. Your gameplan reflects the tools at your disposal. I realize that Harbaugh is no Belichick, but he might well top the list of non-Belichick/Carroll coaches. He's perfectly capable of fielding a team that can improvise and change styles as the situation dictates.


edit: Expansion of King's ninja post.

No argument with any of that, but I'm still of the opinion that until it happens (and we may be close, I'll give you that) that style of QB is awesome the first time through the league, and not so awesome second through infinity.   Cam Newton was stopped when he needed to be, Kaepernick was stopped when he needed to be, Wilson (who can play "Brady" better than either Newton or Kaepernick combined) was stopped when he needed to be...  Brady was not.    You look at that list of QBs, and while you can quibble with individual rankings, there are a TON of QBs in the mold of Johnny U, there are, essentially, none in the mold of Randall Cunningham. 

I think there is some incentive; I can see Jim calling John and raving about the kid, but I think, generally, if they do that, it's not a good move.  I think we're seeing the real Kaepernick over the past couple seasons, and not in that one glorious, "oh-so-close" season.

[King Postwhore]

Yup.  In this day and age the defense are so big and so fast that running QB's can get hurt easily.   That's why Brady is so healthy,  recognition and getting the ball out of his hands quickly.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

A lot of people seem to think that if the Ravens sign Kaepernick, they hate America and should be boycotted.
A lot of people seem to think that if the Ravens don't sign Kaepernick, they hate him for protesting peacfully.

Ravens owner feels like he cannot win either way.

People have been very vocal on both sides of the fence, while most of us "sane" folks aren't on one of the extreme sides of the fence.

Owner is a self-made billionaire and is checking on a lot of different things before deciding one way or the other, as any smart business man shoul.d

[Samsara]

J-E-T-S SUCK SUCK SUCK

 

[King Postwhore]

DOC,  completely agree.  I also think that the past history with some players is making the owner hesitate as well.  Miami now seems like they need Kap more.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

I'm curious how that Castro shirt would go over in Miami.


Dolphins seem to think Tannehill will be okay, so that's great.

And apparently Kaepernick's GF tweeted a pic of Ravend owner and Ray Lewis, comparing them to DiCaprio and Jackson's characters in Django. Not a good look.

[King Postwhore]

Damn she is the one that's brainwashed him to be this political.  It's ruining his career.  His message could be better but it's very harsh.  That's what got Schilling fired from ESPN (Not that there is another story about ESPN's leanings) but you've got to have a different message than the way Kap and his girlfriend are doing.

Unless of course he wants that more than his football career though it seems he's still trying to play.

[Samsara]

Damn she is the one that's brainwashed him to be this political.  It's ruining his career.

Yep. Normally, I'm skeptical of the whole "girlfriend/wife made him do this" thing, but in this situation, if you do a little digging, you'll connect the dots. She's...a piece of work. I'll leave it at that.

[PowerSlave]

Meh...

Whether you agree with his views, or not. He's a grown man with a college education. He's fully aware of, and completely responsible for his words and actions. The only thing that a significant other can do is reinforce a belief/view that you already have before hand.

[Dublagent66]

I'm just ready for some football.  Couldn't care less about all the shenanigans going on.  Bring on the HOF game. 

[King Postwhore]

Meh...

Whether you agree with his views, or not. He's a grown man with a college education. He's fully aware of, and completely responsible for his words and actions. The only thing that a significant other can do is reinforce a belief/view that you already have before hand.

The one knee down didn't bother me much.  Everything else did.  It's how you go about it and I just believe she brought a side he needed to hide to have a career.  We all do that moving up the corporate ladder.

I'm just ready for some football.  Couldn't care less about all the shenanigans going on.  Bring on the HOF game. 

Hell yeah!!

[PowerSlave]

Meh...

Whether you agree with his views, or not. He's a grown man with a college education. He's fully aware of, and completely responsible for his words and actions. The only thing that a significant other can do is reinforce a belief/view that you already have before hand.

The one knee down didn't bother me much.  Everything else did.  It's how you go about it and I just believe she brought a side he needed to hide to have a career.  We all do that moving up the corporate ladder.

Yeah, no argument from me on that point. I know that there's a lot of things that I have to lie through my teeth about when it comes to corporate bullshit when I'm job hunting.

[El Barto]

His girlfriend got it all wrong. Ray's not a house negro. Cleary he's fixing to stab Bisciotti.

[King Postwhore]

 

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Least he wasn't wearing the white suit that time.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Sounds like Tannehill should have gotten that surgery last Decmber.

[KevShmev]

A lot of people seem to think that if the Ravens sign Kaepernick, they hate America and should be boycotted.
A lot of people seem to think that if the Ravens don't sign Kaepernick, they hate him for protesting peacfully.

Ravens owner feels like he cannot win either way.

People have been very vocal on both sides of the fence, while most of us "sane" folks aren't on one of the extreme sides of the fence.

Owner is a self-made billionaire and is checking on a lot of different things before deciding one way or the other, as any smart business man shoul.d

While he should be applauded for being transparent, Bisciotti has not handled this well.  By saying that all of sudden what the fans want matters, he has opened Pandora's Box.  Granted, the liberal media, which includes much of the sports media, loses their minds over anything that doesn't fall in line with their agenda, but it just wasn't a wise thing for Bisciotti to say.  The Ravens will now be the "bad guy" if they do not sign Kaepernick, and Bisciotti all of a sudden caring what the fans think will be the reason why.

[kaos2900]

I could the rest of my life and be 100% satisfied if I don't have to hear about Kaepernick again. He's the new Tebow. Someone hire him so he can show once again how shitty he is and then we can move on. T

[Dublagent66]

JJ buys Cowboys in 1989 for $150M.  Franchise currently worth $4.2B.  Now in the HOF.  They'll be talking about that guy 1000 years from now.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Completely that he gets in before Modell....but it is what it is....

[Dublagent66]

Although, he hasn't figured out how to win a SB in the last 21 years, he just might be able to get one more as a cherry on top before he croaks.

[El Barto]

Although, he hasn't figured out how to win a SB in the last 21 years, he just might be able to get one more as a cherry on top before he croaks.

I doubt it. He's finally managed to build a pretty good team but he still lacks the coach. Moreover, one of the key components is as yet unreliable. Zeek will likely miss some time due to suspension, and he doesn't seem to have the character to understand the problem. Michael liked to party, but he was discrete about it. You can work with that. This guy needs to be the center of attention. That will always be a problem, particularly now that the NFL likes to appear tough on discipline. About the only good thing going for them right now is that Jerry essentially runs the league, so it shouldn't be too bad.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

A lot of people seem to think that if the Ravens sign Kaepernick, they hate America and should be boycotted.
A lot of people seem to think that if the Ravens don't sign Kaepernick, they hate him for protesting peacfully.

Ravens owner feels like he cannot win either way.

People have been very vocal on both sides of the fence, while most of us "sane" folks aren't on one of the extreme sides of the fence.

Owner is a self-made billionaire and is checking on a lot of different things before deciding one way or the other, as any smart business man shoul.d

While he should be applauded for being transparent, Bisciotti has not handled this well.  By saying that all of sudden what the fans want matters, he has opened Pandora's Box.  Granted, the liberal media, which includes much of the sports media, loses their minds over anything that doesn't fall in line with their agenda, but it just wasn't a wise thing for Bisciotti to say.  The Ravens will now be the "bad guy" if they do not sign Kaepernick, and Bisciotti all of a sudden caring what the fans think will be the reason why.

The fans are his consumers. He is wise to consider their wants...but yeah, probably not the best way to say it.

[KevShmev]

It's a dangerous precedent to set.

As for the Hall of Fame, I find it disgusting that the media is dedicating almost all talk of it this week to Jerry Jones. 

One of the greatest RBs ever (Tomlinson) is entering the Hall.

The greatest postseaosn RB ever (Terrell Davis) is entering the Hall.

A QB who lifted up two pitiful franchises, getting them both to Super Bowls, and who has one of the best STORIES ever (Kurt Warner) is entering the Hall.

But yeah, let's talk about the redneck owner who has no values and is all about the almighty dollar instead of the football legends who deserve it.

[King Postwhore]

Thankfully, I've stayed away from reading the JJ stories.

[TAC]

Fuck Tomlinson too.

[KevShmev]

LOL, Tomlinson was a classy player through and through, so it's no surprise that Patriots fans still hate him.

[TAC]

He was a baby.


If you have no idea what the score is....if he has his helmet off, he's winning. If it's on, he's losing.




Pussy.
(Not you Kev  )