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« Reply #1715 on: December 28, 2023, 07:35:10 AM »
I was only trying to make conversation.

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« Reply #1716 on: December 28, 2023, 07:54:05 AM »
I was only trying to make conversation.

It worked.  :lol
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« Reply #1717 on: December 28, 2023, 08:20:03 AM »
Who fucking cares!  Surely it doesn't make the story any worse??

You keep carrying on like all of us share the same opinion as you on TA. News flash: we don't.

Not at all.  And breaking news ... I know. 

I'm just here to interrupt the circle jerk of adulation once and a while.  ;)  :lol  Jeez, can't a guy razz his buddies when there are different opinions on a not-serious matter? 
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« Reply #1718 on: December 28, 2023, 08:34:00 AM »
I don't know if it was ever in the plans or not, but I've been hoping for a TA live audio release from the LNFA for a couple years already. Now, with the lineup change, I expect this to be pushed to the very bottom of the priority list unless they already had it prepared and ready to be announced/released (which I very highly doubt). Oh well.
It sounds like, "ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk, ruk." Instead of the more pleasing kick drum sound of, "gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk, gzarruk."

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« Reply #1719 on: December 28, 2023, 08:35:11 AM »
Jeez, can't a guy razz his buddies when there are different opinions on a not-serious matter?
Of course not.  What do you think this is, a discussion forum?
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« Reply #1720 on: December 28, 2023, 12:09:34 PM »
I don't know if it was ever in the plans or not, but I've been hoping for a TA live audio release from the LNFA for a couple years already. Now, with the lineup change, I expect this to be pushed to the very bottom of the priority list unless they already had it prepared and ready to be announced/released (which I very highly doubt). Oh well.

They did release MP-era material during MM's time with the band. I hope we get a live version with a better mix.

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« Reply #1721 on: December 28, 2023, 12:36:18 PM »
I really don't think that the era of the band / who the current drummer is has any impact on whether or not we would have gotten a live TA release.  I just don't think they have video of an entire show to do a video release (if they even plan to do video releases at all), and I'm not sure whether they feel they have audio that is good enough to justify an audio-only release.  But my opinion is that, IF they have good enough audio, it is probably MORE likely that it gets a release with MP back in the band.  And I say that because I don't think John and James were all that motivated to put out a live TA release from what they have.  But Portnoy doesn't seem to have anything against Mangini-era material at all, and he thinks like a fan when it comes to stuff like this, AND he is a completist (and somewhat obsessive about that).  So I could see him actually advocating for releasing a show.  I don't have any info one way or the other, but that's my take on it for what it's worth.
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« Reply #1722 on: December 28, 2023, 01:06:11 PM »
Who fucking cares!  Surely it doesn't make the story any worse??

You keep carrying on like all of us share the same opinion as you on TA. News flash: we don't.

Well, some of us actually DO share his opinion.
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« Reply #1723 on: December 28, 2023, 01:51:33 PM »
I really don't think that the era of the band / who the current drummer is has any impact on whether or not we would have gotten a live TA release.  I just don't think they have video of an entire show to do a video release (if they even plan to do video releases at all), and I'm not sure whether they feel they have audio that is good enough to justify an audio-only release.  But my opinion is that, IF they have good enough audio, it is probably MORE likely that it gets a release with MP back in the band.  And I say that because I don't think John and James were all that motivated to put out a live TA release from what they have.  But Portnoy doesn't seem to have anything against Mangini-era material at all, and he thinks like a fan when it comes to stuff like this, AND he is a completist (and somewhat obsessive about that).  So I could see him actually advocating for releasing a show.  I don't have any info one way or the other, but that's my take on it for what it's worth.

They definitely have good enough audio. They record every single show, so they could do something similar to the Happy Holidays/ADTOE Tour where they choose the best versions from multiple shows if they wanted to.

I don't think MP would be against that either, I'm just not too optimistic about this happening anytime soon (if ever) when there's still a good batch of unreleased stuff from the original run + all the new stuff from MP's archives he already contributed with before rejoining +all other stuff he might want to add. I just don't think anything TA related is going to be too high in the priority list for the foreseeable future.
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« Reply #1724 on: December 28, 2023, 03:14:56 PM »
Portnoy doesn't seem to have anything against Mangini-era material at all

I'm happy to hear this.

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« Reply #1725 on: December 29, 2023, 04:22:13 PM »
Listened to The Astonishing again in preparation for the Top 100 thread, and I think it holds up about as well as I remember. I think the rankings might be slightly lower than last time, but I still enjoy every song on the album. I have a few criticisms, but they're minor and don't affect my enjoyment of it much. The only lyrics I don't like is Heaven's Cove being referred to as a place where "the stars touch the sky"; I think I get what they're trying to say, but it's too vague and sounds like that could to anywhere where you can see stars in the sky. And the only other weird thing is the crying at the beginning of Losing Faythe; the female voice sounds fine, but the male voice sounds kind of goofy. I still think Whispers on the Wind should have been combined with Hymn of a Thousand Voices, it feels a little unnecessary as its own track but would've made for a great intro in HoaTV. My last complaint is that TA feels a little undercooked. I don't feel like it's unfinished, and I don't have a problem with the 34-track structure, but one, there's a couple technical oddities. The vocals during "people just don't have the time for music" on TGoM, which I don't really mind, but what distracts me a little is the end of A Tempting Offer, "Take the evening to deci- -ide". Two, I think it's clear they put a lot of time into the story, but I feel like there's some important elements that aren't mentioned at all in the album. Most notably, Nafaryus being nicknamed "Bug" is only brought up during A New Beginning once, and nowhere else throughout the album, which could've been more impactful if they'd mentioned it within the album itself. And the other thing is that Gabriel is titled "The Astonishing" because of his special gift of music, but nowhere in the album is this ever mentioned.

Other than that, great album! Every song has enjoyable moments, even the short ones like Whispers on the Wind, and I also like the Nomac tracks. I think it would've been cool to have a longer instrumental with the noise machine music, although I guess it would be weird since in context of the story, it's not really considered music compared to what Gabriel is capable of and what Faythe has on her music player. I love all the uplifting moments on this album (A Better Life, A Savior in the Square and When Your Time Has Come, Act of Faythe, Begin Again, Hymn of a Thousand Voices, and there's probably a few others). I feel like this album does a really good job of conveying emotions in the story through the music alone. A Savior in the Square ends with this feeling like time has frozen still for a moment as Gabriel notices Faythe and admires her beauty. In Ravenskill, there's the instrumental section after Faythe asks X for help, which has this dramatic, ominous sound to it, signifying the risk Faythe's taking by attempting to see Gabriel again, and showing that her doing as such is a big turning point for how the story will unfold. This is then juxtaposed by the tone becoming more pleasant-sounding as James begins singing again and X agrees to take her to Arhys. Then the music becomes more tense again when Arhys confronts her, initially unwilling to trust her. Even parts that might sound off in a standalone context make sense within a listen of the full album, like the ending of Losing Faythe. The song musically ends in an uplifting way, showing that Nafaryus is clinging onto his last possible hope, that being Gabriel's gift of music. This hope is then quickly snuffed out as in the following song, Gabriel is at his lowest point and feels like his gift is gone after his scream from earlier. Then the tone gradually grows lighter and stronger with Hymn of a Thousand Voices as the villagers come by, offering their encouragement, Gabriel finding his voice again, and singing to bring Faythe back to life. Things like this is why I say The Astonishing is only a little undercooked. There was room for more elaboration and improvement, but I think for what we got, Dream Theater still put a lot of love and effort into this album.

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« Reply #1726 on: January 04, 2024, 03:26:31 AM »
It's a good time to pimp out my shortened version of The Astonishing.

My abridged version starts at Chosen....

https://youtu.be/lbAYaNfSUFo?si=kHPvmc_tNxz_sWT6

I actually have a newer version that includes more, but just been lazy at making another video to go along with it.  :biggrin:
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« Reply #1727 on: January 04, 2024, 06:36:14 AM »
But Portnoy doesn't seem to have anything against Mangini-era material at all, and he thinks like a fan when it comes to stuff like this, AND he is a completist (and somewhat obsessive about that)...

Therefore I was kind of shocked when he said in his vinyl collection-video's he does not own a copy of A Change of Seasons. Figuring, since this one is so personal, he surely would have this EP vinyl in his collection and would treasure the piece, but he doesn't have one. Remarkable...
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« Reply #1728 on: January 04, 2024, 06:42:45 AM »
Revenge, I really like your breakdown of The Astonishing.

Benjamin, I will listen to your abridged version tomorrow morning, driving to work. Thanks.
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« Reply #1729 on: January 04, 2024, 11:32:19 AM »
But Portnoy doesn't seem to have anything against Mangini-era material at all, and he thinks like a fan when it comes to stuff like this, AND he is a completist (and somewhat obsessive about that)...
Therefore I was kind of shocked when he said in his vinyl collection-video's he does not own a copy of A Change of Seasons. Figuring, since this one is so personal, he surely would have this EP vinyl in his collection and would treasure the piece, but he doesn't have one. Remarkable...
You forget that those videos were of his vinyl reissues, not of his full vinyl collection. So assuming it was released on vinyl when it first came out, I'm sure he has it. Keep in mind the vinyl reissues were done without his involvement since he wasn't in the band, so that helps explain why he didn't have it at that point. By now, it's quite possible he does.
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« Reply #1730 on: January 04, 2024, 11:54:33 AM »
Revenge, I really like your breakdown of The Astonishing.

Thank you, Wim! :)

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« Reply #1731 on: January 04, 2024, 02:19:17 PM »
Interesting take Scotty, wasn't aware of that.
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« Reply #1732 on: January 04, 2024, 05:11:43 PM »
Revenge, I really like your breakdown of The Astonishing.

Benjamin, I will listen to your abridged version tomorrow morning, driving to work. Thanks.

I really appreciate it.  :tup
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« Reply #1733 on: January 04, 2024, 07:29:32 PM »
Did you already hear that?
https://youtu.be/qzLEWQPm_Zo?si=NlhvwKsetYVTL38S
TA with different AI singers.
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« Reply #1734 on: January 04, 2024, 09:58:33 PM »
Did you already hear that?
https://youtu.be/qzLEWQPm_Zo?si=NlhvwKsetYVTL38S
TA with different AI singers.

Fascinating.  I may just have to sample this.

Mains:
 Gabriel - Einar Solberg
 Lord Nafaryus - Sir Russell Allen
 Faythe - Sharon den Adel
 Arhys - Zachary Stevens
 Daryus - Andre Matos

With:
 Arabelle - Floor Jansen
 Xander - Charlie Dominici
 A townsperson in Ravenskill - Mike Portnoy

Narrator:
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« Reply #1735 on: January 04, 2024, 11:53:56 PM »
Did you already hear that?
https://youtu.be/qzLEWQPm_Zo?si=NlhvwKsetYVTL38S
TA with different AI singers.

Fascinating.  I may just have to sample this.

Mains:
 Gabriel - Einar Solberg
 Lord Nafaryus - Sir Russell Allen
 Faythe - Sharon den Adel
 Arhys - Zachary Stevens
 Daryus - Andre Matos

With:
 Arabelle - Floor Jansen
 Xander - Charlie Dominici
 A townsperson in Ravenskill - Mike Portnoy

Narrator:
 James LaBrie

I remember us doing this exact thing in this thread.

Let's have some fun

Mine would be:

Gabriel: David Archuleta
Lord Nefaryus: Daniel Tompkins
Faythe: Sharon Den Adel
Arhys: Mike Mills
Daryus: Howard Jones

Arabelle: Taylor Momsen
Xander: Post Malone

Narrator: James LaBrie
« Last Edit: January 05, 2024, 12:12:08 AM by Ben_Jamin »
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« Reply #1736 on: January 05, 2024, 06:40:26 AM »
All of these AI tracks are pretty much bullshit.
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« Reply #1737 on: January 05, 2024, 06:59:44 AM »
Now I saw that it was already posted on "AI is taking over DT. Yeah YEEAAAAHHHH!". Anyway, to me it's just a curiosity. I didn't really pay attention, but from the bits what I've listen to, I think the Russel Allen's voice is not very recognizable.
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« Reply #1738 on: January 05, 2024, 07:48:07 AM »
Now I saw that it was already posted on "AI is taking over DT. Yeah YEEAAAAHHHH!". Anyway, to me it's just a curiosity. I didn't really pay attention, but from the bits what I've listen to, I think the Russel Allen's voice is not very recognizable.

Yeah, I wasn't terribly impressed with it.  AI music is in a way, like porn - looks good... too good sometimes, and you know it isn't real.  Something that can only be taken in limited quantities.

And with this, I caught the comment of "now can AI fix the lyrics?", and that's pretty much what I thought as I spun the first 20 minutes.  :lol

I don't see me spinning this ever again, but I am interested to see how the two tracks I like from the 2nd disc turn out (again, out of curiosity).
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« Reply #1739 on: January 06, 2024, 05:38:23 AM »
Kind of ironic that this AI-generated music thing might be the beginning of the dystopia that's desribed in TA. That's what NOMACS do, right?  :laugh:

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« Reply #1740 on: January 06, 2024, 08:29:12 AM »
Now I saw that it was already posted on "AI is taking over DT. Yeah YEEAAAAHHHH!". Anyway, to me it's just a curiosity. I didn't really pay attention, but from the bits what I've listen to, I think the Russel Allen's voice is not very recognizable.

Yeah, I wasn't terribly impressed with it.  AI music is in a way, like porn - looks good... too good sometimes, and you know it isn't real.  Something that can only be taken in limited quantities.

And with this, I caught the comment of "now can AI fix the lyrics?", and that's pretty much what I thought as I spun the first 20 minutes.  :lol

I don't see me spinning this ever again, but I am interested to see how the two tracks I like from the 2nd disc turn out (again, out of curiosity).

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« Reply #1741 on: January 06, 2024, 08:32:12 AM »
Now I saw that it was already posted on "AI is taking over DT. Yeah YEEAAAAHHHH!". Anyway, to me it's just a curiosity. I didn't really pay attention, but from the bits what I've listen to, I think the Russel Allen's voice is not very recognizable.

Yeah, I wasn't terribly impressed with it.  AI music is in a way, like porn - looks good... too good sometimes, and you know it isn't real.  Something that can only be taken in limited quantities.

And with this, I caught the comment of "now can AI fix the lyrics?", and that's pretty much what I thought as I spun the first 20 minutes.  :lol

I don't see me spinning this ever again, but I am interested to see how the two tracks I like from the 2nd disc turn out (again, out of curiosity).

PORN ISN'T REAL??!?!

It's as real as these AI generated versions of the album.  Also, Disc 2 of this was worse than disc 1.  It's as if the AI tried to merge the tones and inflections of JLB's sound on the album with the voice of the new vocalist.  Honestly, very few songs even sound like the AI generated vocalists (Floor, Sharon, Andre, Russell... I couldn't really hear their voices in whatever it was the AI spit out).
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« Reply #1742 on: January 07, 2024, 07:40:20 PM »
Now I saw that it was already posted on "AI is taking over DT. Yeah YEEAAAAHHHH!". Anyway, to me it's just a curiosity. I didn't really pay attention, but from the bits what I've listen to, I think the Russel Allen's voice is not very recognizable.

Yeah, I wasn't terribly impressed with it.  AI music is in a way, like porn - looks good... too good sometimes, and you know it isn't real.  Something that can only be taken in limited quantities.

And with this, I caught the comment of "now can AI fix the lyrics?", and that's pretty much what I thought as I spun the first 20 minutes.  :lol

I don't see me spinning this ever again, but I am interested to see how the two tracks I like from the 2nd disc turn out (again, out of curiosity).

PORN ISN'T REAL??!?!

It's as real as these AI generated versions of the album.  Also, Disc 2 of this was worse than disc 1.  It's as if the AI tried to merge the tones and inflections of JLB's sound on the album with the voice of the new vocalist.  Honestly, very few songs even sound like the AI generated vocalists (Floor, Sharon, Andre, Russell... I couldn't really hear their voices in whatever it was the AI spit out).

I wasn't hearing their styles or tones either. It tried, but couldn't capture Tone and Style.
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« Reply #1743 on: January 09, 2024, 01:32:26 AM »
I sampled the AI version of TA and...while some of the AI singer voices at least slightly resemble vocalists they are supposed to simulate (Stevens, Allen), Solberg is completely off. No resemblance to how he sounds whatsoever. I am not familiar enough with the other singers to give an opinion on that.

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« Reply #1744 on: January 29, 2024, 07:11:31 PM »
It's almost a year ( 29/01 ) since The Astonishing was released.

• How did you feel about it a year go ?

• How do you fell about it now ?


I liked it a lot and still play it every once in a while. I'm not tired of it yet because I haven't over played it.
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