MP's Shattered Fortress Tour

[RodrigoAltaf]

So do you guys think the only Canadian MP hates is the guy who wrote the post he responded to, or a certain singer from a well known prog metal band?

[TAC]

Not sure what he has against Rik Emmett.

[DarkLord_Lalinc]

Come on, Celine Dion ain't that bad.

[Anguyen92]

I mean it could be any Canadian that looks despisable (Biebs, Celine Dion, Chad Kroeger, etc.).  Heck, for all we know, it could be a member of Rush......

[Elite]

He most definitely did.
https://www.facebook.com/mikeportnoyofficial/posts/1788293884521579?comment_id=1788330767851224&reply_comment_id=1788342034516764&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D

Oh wow, that's completely ridiculous. wtf

[PetFish]

Paraphrasing, but it's on there...

FB Commentor : Why isn't this tour coming to Canada. Does MP hate Canadiens?

MP: Only one.

    

JFC, man, just when you think MP can't top himself.

Just below that is this comment:

As I've now said a million times already...there is no guarantee I can/will release a DVD of this...
I cannot handle anymore drama with the DT camp.
Get yourself on a plane and catch one of these shows!!
If you are a DT fan, you deserve to witness this

        

The guy is seriously out of it at this point.  How can anyone be so delusional and believe their own BS so hard.  What's that?  You say you don't hold grudges?  The DT guys being adults and professional since you left while you can't stop trashing them at every opportunity doesn't make YOU the cause of any drama?  All the drama is from MP and the fact that DT don't respond to it just makes MP create even more drama.

Step 1)  Create drama.
Step 2)  Perpetuate drama.
Step 3)
Step 4)  No profit, just double-down on drama.

Now we wait for the "I'm just being honest" defense.

You absolutely cannot write this stuff.

[SwedishGoose]

Love the drummer and the entertainer called Mike Portnoy but the social media person called the same makes me cringe sometimes....

Why does he never learn to hold his thought... maybe he just like trump would benefit from having someone to give an OK to any post he makes

[MirrorMask]

Just for comparison: Eluveitie, a folk metal band, went through an extreme line-up change recently. Band members left through the years, but last year the band leader wanted the drummer gone, and so the other longtime members (guitar player and female vocalist / hurdy gurdy player), all close friends, decided to leave as well, and they formed a new band together, Cellar Darling.

Yesterday Eluveitie posted an update about their new album, and someone replied "Hey, planning on firing any more members? in case we get to hear more music, Cellar Darling has a new album and it's great" (something like that).

The band (Surely the band leader actually, the main force of the band) replied something like: "Not anytime soon. And yes, we've heard their album and we love it".

Such a provoking reply, and such a classy and witty answer. That's how you should always handle drama on social media.

[Bertielee]

Just for comparison: Eluveitie, a folk metal band, went through an extreme line-up change recently. Band members left through the years, but last year the band leader wanted the drummer gone, and so the other longtime members (guitar player and female vocalist / hurdy gurdy player), all close friends, decided to leave as well, and they formed a new band together, Cellar Darling.

Yesterday Eluveitie posted an update about their new album, and someone replied "Hey, planning on firing any more members? in case we get to hear more music, Cellar Darling has a new album and it's great" (something like that).

The band (Surely the band leader actually, the main force of the band) replied something like: "Not anytime soon. And yes, we've heard their album and we love it".

Such a provoking reply, and such a classy and witty answer. That's how you should always handle drama on social media.

There shouldn't have been drama in the first place. MP left, so you would think it could have been all clear. But, no, he himself starts the drama.  And seven years later, he adds fuel to the fire with such childish comment! The guy never learns anything, so much so that it's painful.

B.Lee

[SwedishGoose]

That's a great reply to a troll there MirrorMask... if only MP had that in him.

[Skeever]

There are people that still expect MP to take the high road? C'mon, guys. I'm as big an MP fan as any, but even I've learned to just accept the music and compartmentalize the buffoonery.

And I can see why MP and James don't have the best relatoinship. It seems like, from the documentaries we have, that MP was always keeping a close eye on James in the studio and live, and even tried to replace him after SDOIT. When MP left, I remember distinctly feeling like James sounding like he couldn't be happier, with a tone in his voice like he had finally gotten his way. I wouldn't be surprised if the relationship with JLB is considerably worse than the one with JP, JR, and JM.

[King Postwhore]

Come on, Celine Dion ain't that bad.

She doesn't even drive a fork truck.  Go figure.

[ErHaO]

I love MP as an entertainer probably more than any of the other DT guys, but his social media antics sure are something... I mean, it is sad that there is obviously some bad blood and fustrations, but one should never take that to social media. That said, at this point this should be no surprise to anyone.

Also, I have watched some yt vids and these seem like awesome concerts. I think there is merit to this band and I do hope we will get an official release out of it, as unlikely as that may be.

[SwedishGoose]

The quality of the show definitely merits an official release....
Too many legal hurdles to jump over though....

Anyone who has a chance should really do anything to be there.
Something like this will never happen again.

[mikeyd23]

Haha oh MP. 

[Elite]

The quality of the show definitely merits an official release

Really? It would be rather boring to watch I think. I found it to be okay at best, with almost every other show at Be Prog! My Friend to be more enjoyable than the Shattered Fortress.

[ReaperKK]

The quality of the show definitely merits an official release....
Too many legal hurdles to jump over though....

Anyone who has a chance should really do anything to be there.
Something like this will never happen again.

MP is that you?

[Kwyjibo]

Too many legal hurdles to jump over though....

He keeps saying that, but I'm still not sure why? He released DT music with PSMS and Flying Colours, why should it now be different? He probably has to ask, but I can't imagine DT saying no. But maybe I'm just too naive?

[KevShmev]

A post I made in the supergroup thread back in March is worth quoting here now:

Let's sum him up:

-Loves social media.
-Gets overly defensive about any criticism or perceived slight.
-His hardcore fans are apologetic to the point of being almost scary.
-Loves to talk and say anything under the guise of "telling it like it is" and/or "setting the facts straight."

Wait, are we talking about Mike Portnoy or Donald Trump?

 

 

[Skeever]

At least one of them is good at their day job 

[King Postwhore]

Kev will get this.

MM is like David Price and the Media.

[Zook]

Maybe James threatened to leave if the band colaberated with MP in any way.

If he really is referring to James, I don't see why Mike is the one hating when he did all the shit talking.

[MirrorMask]

Tonight he's gonna play here in Milan, not gonna attend because I had my fair share of DT shows with him and I didn't consider this essential, but those YouTube clips gave me a little of doubt about it, damn 

Ironically he's gonna play in a small venue, actually a seated theatre, which sits right next to the big sporting venue where he always played with DT. I hope he won't mind that, he praised the Milan crowd as one of the best when he toured with DT and I'm glad to say I often contributed in giving this impression!

[mikeyd23]

Too many legal hurdles to jump over though....

He keeps saying that, but I'm still not sure why? He released DT music with PSMS and Flying Colours, why should it now be different? He probably has to ask, but I can't imagine DT saying no. But maybe I'm just too naive?

We obviously have no clue what kind of terms were decided upon when MP left DT, but clearly he did not maintain the right to perform, record, and sell DT music (which makes perfect sense) or else he'd be doing it. If I had to guess, I'd say he did it with PSMS and FC because DT would only see a small amount for copies sold as the DT music made up a small portion of the set. In this case, it's all DT music so I'd imagine DT would stand to make more money if MP recorded and chose to sell per unit, probably making it not worthwhile financially for MP to do so.

When he says legal hurdles he probably is referring to trying to get DT to agree to some sort of different arrangement, which they probably wouldn't because when MP left, all that was ironed out and they probably would just like to leave it all as it stands.

Like I said, we clearly don't know but that's my guess.

[Evermind]

Just got tickets for this. Based on the YouTube videos I saw and the setlist, this is going to be one hell of a show. I loved DT show on AFTR tour, and I'm looking forward to see a slightly different take on these songs now.

[Lowdz]

Paraphrasing, but it's on there...

FB Commentor : Why isn't this tour coming to Canada. Does MP hate Canadiens?

MP: Only one.

    

JFC, man, just when you think MP can't top himself.

Just below that is this comment:

As I've now said a million times already...there is no guarantee I can/will release a DVD of this...
I cannot handle anymore drama with the DT camp.
Get yourself on a plane and catch one of these shows!!
If you are a DT fan, you deserve to witness this

        

The guy is seriously out of it at this point.  How can anyone be so delusional and believe their own BS so hard.  What's that?  You say you don't hold grudges?  The DT guys being adults and professional since you left while you can't stop trashing them at every opportunity doesn't make YOU the cause of any drama?  All the drama is from MP and the fact that DT don't respond to it just makes MP create even more drama.

Step 1)  Create drama.
Step 2)  Perpetuate drama.
Step 3)
Step 4)  No profit, just double-down on drama.

Now we wait for the "I'm just being honest" defense.

You absolutely cannot write this stuff.

Maybe he needs to revisit some of the later steps - he's got a reminder every night of the tour.

[Ben_Jamin]

Too many legal hurdles to jump over though....

He keeps saying that, but I'm still not sure why? He released DT music with PSMS and Flying Colours, why should it now be different? He probably has to ask, but I can't imagine DT saying no. But maybe I'm just too naive?

I'm sure he could. But as said, the show being hugely DT covers plus with a founding member makes it harder to release. Especially with how much tension their seems to be.

Although, I wouldn't mind just the 12 Step Suite.

[Kwyjibo]

DT releases music that MP co-wrote, so I'm pretty sure the agreement goes both ways. I obviously don't know it but I can't believe that MP would sign a contract that forbade him to release music which he helped create.

So it may be, that the effort is not worth the outcome, but I still don't believe that legal trouble is the main reason.

[Adami]

DT releases music that MP co-wrote, so I'm pretty sure the agreement goes both ways. I obviously don't know it but I can't believe that MP would sign a contract that forbade him to release music which he helped create.

So it may be, that the effort is not worth the outcome, but I still don't believe that legal trouble is the main reason.

It's not about who wrote it, it's about who owns the rights. Best I can tell, DT own all the rights.

[bosk1]

DT releases music that MP co-wrote, so I'm pretty sure the agreement goes both ways. I obviously don't know it but I can't believe that MP would sign a contract that forbade him to release music which he helped create.

So it may be, that the effort is not worth the outcome, but I still don't believe that legal trouble is the main reason.

It's not about who wrote it, it's about who owns the rights. Best I can tell, DT own all the rights.

Exactly.

[antigoon]

At this point I think Mike should just go full heel and start cutting anti-Dream Theater wrestling-style promos at these tour dates.

[Ben_Jamin]

Either way, I feel this is something you have to witness live. A DVD and CD won't capture the energy and overall atmosphere of being at that show, from the moment you walk in to the moment you leave.

The only reason I'm interested is hearing DT songs being sung by a different singer.

[Mladen]

Maybe he needs to revisit some of the later steps - he's got a reminder every night of the tour.

Yep. Whatever happened to "kindness - it's not that hard", "self-restraint of tongue and pen" and "willingness to understand?"

[cramx3]

At least there's fan footage of this tour, unlike TA.  I'd totally buy a nice blu ray, but if we can't get that, at least there will be tons of really solid youtube videos documenting the entire tour. 

[Elite]

Maybe he needs to revisit some of the later steps - he's got a reminder every night of the tour.

Yep. Whatever happened to "kindness - it's not that hard", "self-restraint of tongue and pen" and "willingness to understand?"

"Hypocrite - how could you be so cruel?"