Dave Chappelle

[Adami]

Also maybe controversial, but I thought he was quite pleasant in You've Got Mail.

Never saw that film.

Bro. I'll be in your area in December, we are totally watching You've Got Mail. It's just lovely.

[King Postwhore]

Or someone who types hate speech on others serial identity.

You're sig includes a quote from Bob Newhart, which could be viewed as hate speech against anyone who likes country music.

My sig is a joke about my dislike of country music. You are annoying.

One man's joke is another man's hate speech. The quote calls a large group of people stupid, unintelligent, and uneducated.

Like I said, I don't believe hate speech is real, but I'm just following the logic of this whole outrage over Chappelle's speech.

Then you saw my earlier posts where I said I liked it.  Good open conversations.  He's a comedian.  It's jokes.

[Harmony]

Is this still the Dave Chappelle thread? 

Finally got around to watching the Netflix show.  Meh.  Which is pretty consistently my take on Chappelle.  Sometimes I laugh but most of the time I just think he's trying too hard to say something controversial to get attention.

I also think all the hoopla around some of what he said is hyped up.

But I have to say, for someone who claims not to be homophobic or transphobic or whatever it came off as "me thinks he doth protest too much."  I actually came away wondering if like those studies that show the most homophobic people are often closeted gays, Chappelle is trying to run from something he doesn't like that lives inside of himself.

[Adami]

I'm watching the Daphne part of the show right now.

It's not super duper ultra offensive. He comes off more as an egotistical dick than anything else. I get it's the stage persona, but is it? None of this was very funny, at least to me. And I think there ARE problems with it. Essentially the idea of "the good (insert minority here)". The one who sides with the majority, befriends them, and doesn't push back too much against anything derogatory from them. It is what it is. All of us minorities go through that and have those people and those situations.

So, in my personal opinion only, did Dave do anything horribly egregious that would warrant protests or whatever? Nah
Was he funny? Nah
Was he correct? Nah
Did he spread a decent amount of unhelpful perspectives? Yea.

But such is life. Nothing about this is a huge deal. It's just a guy being unfunny and trying to cover a topic he doesn't understand well enough to cover. Not the first time it's happened, won't be the last.



But who else wants to join me and RJ (he'll eventually agree) in watching You've Got Mail?

[Stadler]

I'm watching the Daphne part of the show right now.

It's not super duper ultra offensive. He comes off more as an egotistical dick than anything else. I get it's the stage persona, but is it? None of this was very funny, at least to me. And I think there ARE problems with it. Essentially the idea of "the good (insert minority here)". The one who sides with the majority, befriends them, and doesn't push back too much against anything derogatory from them. It is what it is. All of us minorities go through that and have those people and those situations.

So, in my personal opinion only, did Dave do anything horribly egregious that would warrant protests or whatever? Nah
Was he funny? Nah
Was he correct? Nah
Did he spread a decent amount of unhelpful perspectives? Yea.

But such is life. Nothing about this is a huge deal. It's just a guy being unfunny and trying to cover a topic he doesn't understand well enough to cover. Not the first time it's happened, won't be the last.



But who else wants to join me and RJ (he'll eventually agree) in watching You've Got Mail?

If RJ is cookin', I'm in, but you're SEVERELY over-selling that movie.   

[Adami]

I'm watching the Daphne part of the show right now.

It's not super duper ultra offensive. He comes off more as an egotistical dick than anything else. I get it's the stage persona, but is it? None of this was very funny, at least to me. And I think there ARE problems with it. Essentially the idea of "the good (insert minority here)". The one who sides with the majority, befriends them, and doesn't push back too much against anything derogatory from them. It is what it is. All of us minorities go through that and have those people and those situations.

So, in my personal opinion only, did Dave do anything horribly egregious that would warrant protests or whatever? Nah
Was he funny? Nah
Was he correct? Nah
Did he spread a decent amount of unhelpful perspectives? Yea.

But such is life. Nothing about this is a huge deal. It's just a guy being unfunny and trying to cover a topic he doesn't understand well enough to cover. Not the first time it's happened, won't be the last.



But who else wants to join me and RJ (he'll eventually agree) in watching You've Got Mail?

If RJ is cookin', I'm in, but you're SEVERELY over-selling that movie.   

Am I? I said it was lovely. It is lovely! It's obviously not When Harry Met Sally or even Sleepless in Seattle, but neither of those movies have Dave Chappelle. We could also just watch Robin Hood Men in Tights or Half Baked? But I'd rather watch You've Got Mail cause RJ hasn't seen it.

If he agrees to cook, I'll handle the baking.

[Chino]

I've never seen that movie. I'm down for a DTF movie night.

[cramx3]

I'll pass on watching that movie, but I'll take some of RJ's cooking

[King Postwhore]

Adami makes killer deserts.

[lonestar]

Wtf? I take a break to pee and all of a sudden I'm cuddling with Adami watching romantic comedies in December and cooking dinner for all of DTF?

[Adami]

Wtf? I take a break to pee and all of a sudden I'm cuddling with Adami watching romantic comedies in December and cooking dinner for all of DTF?

Yes. I mean, we don't HAVE to invite everyone else, I was just trying to share the wealth.

[hefdaddy42]

Wtf? I take a break to pee and all of a sudden I'm cuddling with Adami watching romantic comedies in December and cooking dinner for all of DTF?

Hey baby

[lonestar]

Wtf? I take a break to pee and all of a sudden I'm cuddling with Adami watching romantic comedies in December and cooking dinner for all of DTF?

Yes. I mean, we don't HAVE to invite everyone else, I was just trying to share the wealth.

Hmmmm....I....

Hey baby

...........

[Stadler]

Wtf? I take a break to pee and all of a sudden I'm cuddling with Adami watching romantic comedies in December and cooking dinner for all of DTF?

All in all, that really does sound like a win-win-win, if you ask me. 

[TAC]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

[hefdaddy42]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

You and I are cis.  Our genders match our physical born-with sexes, and always have.

[TAC]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

You and I are cis.  Our genders match our physical born-with sexes, and always have.

Is cis an acronym for something? I didn't realize my male gender with my born-with male anatomy needed a term other than...male.

[Stadler]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

You and I are cis.  Our genders match our physical born-with sexes, and always have.

Is cis an acronym for something? I didn't realize my male gender with my born-with male anatomy needed a term other than...male.

"Cis-" in this context (science; it's a big term in chemistry too) denotes "on the same side of". 

[Adami]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

You and I are cis.  Our genders match our physical born-with sexes, and always have.

Is cis an acronym for something? I didn't realize my male gender with my born-with male anatomy needed a term other than...male.

"Cis-" in this context (science; it's a big term in chemistry too) denotes "on the same side of".

Correct.

It's a term you (TAC) probably never heard because there was rarely a need to contrast it. Now that the idea of being trans is getting more traction and notice, then the idea of being CIS is talked about more.

[Chino]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

You and I are cis.  Our genders match our physical born-with sexes, and always have.

Is cis an acronym for something? I didn't realize my male gender with my born-with male anatomy needed a term other than...male.

Well, for one, "cis" has nothing to do with being male, so there's that. And two, it's regular practice to have very specific terms for all instances of something for the sake of scientific literature. Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. It's been around since 1994 and is nothing new. What you're saying would be akin to hearing the word heterosexual and commenting "I didn't realize my male straightness with my naturally instinctive desire to want to pound pussy needed a term other than .... straight".

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[Stadler]

I must still be 12 at heart.  For some reason the "instinctive desire to want to pound pussy" made me laugh. 

[TAC]

It's a term you (TAC) probably never heard because there was rarely a need to contrast it. Now that the idea of being trans is getting more traction and notice, then the idea of being CIS is talked about more.

How is it talked about? Not being a dick or anything, but I have never heard of the term before this thread and I'm trying to figure out how it would even be used in a conversation.

Well, for one, "cis" has nothing to do with being male, so there's that. And two, it's regular practice to have very specific terms for all instances of something for the sake of scientific literature. Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. It's been around since 1994 and is nothing new. What you're saying would be akin to hearing the word heterosexual and commenting "I didn't realize my male straightness with my naturally instinctive desire to want to pound pussy needed a term other than .... straight".

No I understand it has nothing to do with being male, but was going off of what Hef said.

I'm sure the first time my grandfather heard the term heterosexual, he must've been WTF is that? I'm straight. I get it.



How is it used in scientific literature? During an experiment? and how is it used in a sentence?

[King Postwhore]

You guys are "Meathead" to Tim's "Archie."

[TAC]

You guys are "Meathead" to Tim's "Archie."

I never read Archie, so I don't get either!

I'm actually being serious and not mocking it.

[Chino]

It's a term you (TAC) probably never heard because there was rarely a need to contrast it. Now that the idea of being trans is getting more traction and notice, then the idea of being CIS is talked about more.

How is it talked about? Not being a dick or anything, but I have never heard of the term before this thread and I'm trying to figure out how it would even be used in a conversation.

Well, for one, "cis" has nothing to do with being male, so there's that. And two, it's regular practice to have very specific terms for all instances of something for the sake of scientific literature. Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. It's been around since 1994 and is nothing new. What you're saying would be akin to hearing the word heterosexual and commenting "I didn't realize my male straightness with my naturally instinctive desire to want to pound pussy needed a term other than .... straight".

No I understand it has nothing to do with being male, but was going off of what Hef said.

I'm sure the first time my grandfather heard the term heterosexual, he must've been WTF is that? I'm straight. I get it.



How is it used in scientific literature? During an experiment? and how is it used in a sentence?

I'm sure somewhere out there there's some kind of phycological study comparing cisgender to transgender individuals. Such writings would use both terms as to differentiate between subjects/data when referring to the experiment or research.

[King Postwhore]

You guys are "Meathead" to Tim's "Archie."

I never read Archie, so I don't get either!

I'm actually being serious and not mocking it.

[Adami]

How is it used in scientific literature? During an experiment? and how is it used in a sentence?

I am not sure of every usage, but in general it's becoming more common to use it to differentiate between people who identify with their sex at birth and those who do not. So if one is using the term "trans" or "transgender" in any kind of a setting that isn't just people talking, then "cis" or "cisgender" is commonly used to distinguish. Like if I write up a note on a new person, I'll usually include "cisgender" in their demographics if that's what they are. It's used in most clinical writing and becoming more common in general identification as time goes on.

[cramx3]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

You and I are cis.  Our genders match our physical born-with sexes, and always have.

Is cis an acronym for something? I didn't realize my male gender with my born-with male anatomy needed a term other than...male.

Well, for one, "cis" has nothing to do with being male, so there's that. And two, it's regular practice to have very specific terms for all instances of something for the sake of scientific literature. Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. It's been around since 1994 and is nothing new. What you're saying would be akin to hearing the word heterosexual and commenting "I didn't realize my male straightness with my naturally instinctive desire to want to pound pussy needed a term other than .... straight".

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sooo trans doesnt mean bad and cis doesnt mean good? 

[Adami]

What does cis even mean. I have no idea what this term is?

You and I are cis.  Our genders match our physical born-with sexes, and always have.

Is cis an acronym for something? I didn't realize my male gender with my born-with male anatomy needed a term other than...male.

Well, for one, "cis" has nothing to do with being male, so there's that. And two, it's regular practice to have very specific terms for all instances of something for the sake of scientific literature. Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning 'on this side of', which is the opposite of trans-, meaning 'across from' or 'on the other side of'. It's been around since 1994 and is nothing new. What you're saying would be akin to hearing the word heterosexual and commenting "I didn't realize my male straightness with my naturally instinctive desire to want to pound pussy needed a term other than .... straight".

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sooo trans doesnt mean bad and cis doesnt mean good? 

No. I'd say Chino did a cis job explaining it, but you're not asking a trans question. It has cis intention even if it comes off as trans.

Excuse me, as interesting as this is, I'm gonna go watch A Few Cis Men. Love a good Tom Cruise performance.

[King Postwhore]

Adami, correct me if I'm wrong but most heterosexual men don't really k own the term cis and it's origins is from a news group in the mid 90's and about transsexuals?

For me, I just heard of this in the past 5 year.  Probably because it's that we are learning more of serial orientation is and it's slowly becoming more acceptable to talk about.

[cramx3]

No. I'd say Chino did a cis job explaining it, but you're not asking a trans question. It has cis intention even if it comes off as trans.

Excuse me, as interesting as this is, I'm gonna go watch A Few Cis Men. Love a good Tom Cruise performance.

 

But wow already giving up on Who Got Mail?

[Adami]

No. I'd say Chino did a cis job explaining it, but you're not asking a trans question. It has cis intention even if it comes off as trans.

Excuse me, as interesting as this is, I'm gonna go watch A Few Cis Men. Love a good Tom Cruise performance.

 

But wow already giving up on Who Got Mail?

First of all sir, it's YOU'VE Got Mail. And I am waiting till I am in the warm embrace of RJ's loving arms to watch that. (I just assumed we'd be on separate chairs, but he brought in cuddles and now he can't take it back)

[TAC]

How is it used in scientific literature? During an experiment? and how is it used in a sentence?

I am not sure of every usage, but in general it's becoming more common to use it to differentiate between people who identify with their sex at birth and those who do not. So if one is using the term "trans" or "transgender" in any kind of a setting that isn't just people talking, then "cis" or "cisgender" is commonly used to distinguish. Like if I write up a note on a new person, I'll usually include "cisgender" in their demographics if that's what they are. It's used in most clinical writing and becoming more common in general identification as time goes on.

Adami, thank you for explaining it.

[Adami]

Adami, correct me if I'm wrong but most heterosexual men don't really k own the term cis and it's origins is from a news group in the mid 90's and about transsexuals?

For me, I just heard of this in the past 5 year.  Probably because it's that we are learning more of serial orientation is and it's slowly becoming more acceptable to talk about.

I may have studied it at some point, but I can't recall off the top of my head the sociological history of the term. It's possible. You're definitely right that it's a term just recently entering popular language and will likely eventually be much more common.

[Harmony]

One woman's opinion but You've Got Mail sucked.

When Harry Met Sally is the obvious much better choice of these types of RomComs