Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)

[Adami]

LOVE the post-Dark World AoS.   I really wish they could have kept up the marriage of the movies interweaving with the TV show.  Maybe that will be brought back with the D+ shows.     I believe I am beginning to enter the golden age of that ideal.

Yea, the Disney+ shows will tie directly to the larger MCU. I don't think we'll experience any of the issues with tying in that the Netflix shows did or Agents.

[jammindude]

Tonight we've watched Episodes 11&12 of AoS and the Marvel One Shot "All Hail the King".   

I have to say that the one shot could have extremely far reaching effects on the new Ten Rings movie.  My sons were even thinking that it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility for the real Mandarin to continue to employ Slattery to be "the face".   (he did, after all, not execute Slattery.  He only asked to meet him)

[bosk1]

Finished Jessica Jones, S.2 last night.  I think I've said before, outside of DD, I'm not a huge fan of the Netflix Marvel series.  Too many issue and too much objectionable content. 

This season of JJ was...interesting.  It was all over the place, and I frequently found myself asking where this was all going.  This season made me really hate most of the main characters.  It did a very effective job at painting virtually everyone as a pretty bad person.  That said, this season was all about character, and the character arcs were pretty amazing.  And the finale...WOW!

[jammindude]

I tend to agree.   Which is why I won't be doing the Netflix shows during my marathon.  Although, as you've said, DD is excellent.  JJ S1 is fantastic if only for David Tennant.     But trying to do the Netflix shows when they are mostly happening "off to the side" of the major MCU plotlines would just be too much.   

That being said, it did make me very happy to hear that Charlie Cox and Krysten Ritter will be appearing in some capacity in Spider Man 3 (as DD and JJ respectively).   So that bodes well that these shows could be returning on the D+ platform...as has been the hope of many.

[hefdaddy42]

That being said, it did make me very happy to hear that Charlie Cox and Krysten Ritter will be appearing in some capacity in Spider Man 3 (as DD and JJ respectively). 

AFAIK, that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated internet rumor.

[Adami]

That being said, it did make me very happy to hear that Charlie Cox and Krysten Ritter will be appearing in some capacity in Spider Man 3 (as DD and JJ respectively). 

AFAIK, that is nothing more than an unsubstantiated internet rumor.

Exactly. Kevin Smith read it on some random website, said he read it on some random website and then was cited as proof that it's happening. He's gone on to clarify that all he did was read it on a random website.

It'd be cool to see Charlie and Krysten, but I am rather certain we won't.

[jammindude]

My bad then.  But I hope it does happen.   Rumors are usually wrong, but not always. 

[Adami]

So a random thought I had about Dr. Strange 2.


So since no new comics have been released for weeks and won't be for some time, I've been re-reading old ones. Recently I've been reading both prelude to Deadpool Corps and Deadpool Corps.

My idea, which obviously will never happen, but would be cool is if he briefly visits a universe with Lady Deadpool, played by Blake Lively (who I didn't realize was 5'10). I know she's way too niche of a character for most people, but I love Deadpool Corps and would love to see her, or even Kidpool or Headpool (though not so much dogpool, sorry).

[masterthes]

So, some other Endgame questions (I'm currently listening to the commentary)
1. Why did they need Loki's scepter?

2. Who got the Mind Stone? They seemed to pass that over completely

[Adami]

So, some other Endgame questions (I'm currently listening to the commentary)
1. Why did they need Loki's scepter?

2. Who got the Mind Stone? They seemed to pass that over completely

Those answer each other.

[jammindude]

So, some other Endgame questions (I'm currently listening to the commentary)
1. Why did they need Loki's scepter?

2. Who got the Mind Stone? They seemed to pass that over completely

1. They needed all the stones

2. The Cap put them all back when it was all over just like he said he would.  He just elected to stay in the past when he was done.

[faizoff]

Another Endgame question I just thought of, how does Cap return the soul stone? Just hand it to old dead redhead?

[Adami]

Another Endgame question I just thought of, how does Cap return the soul stone? Just hand it to old dead redhead?

[masterthes]

That's right, I forgot there was two for one stone action there in first Avengers

[Lonk]

That's right, I forgot there was two for one stone action there in first Avengers

3 stones since Hulk got the Time Stone

[hefdaddy42]

3-way hot stone-on-stone-on-stone action

[Zook]

Another Endgame question I just thought of, how does Cap return the soul stone? Just hand it to old dead redhead?

[jingle.boy]

Goddamn if they could make a one-shot / short-film on him returning the stones, or at a minimum returning the Soul Stone, that would be gold.

[jammindude]

My son (who has actually never seen AoS) started joining in on the festivities.   We watched The Winter Soldier Thursday night and then spent Friday and Saturday night finishing off Season 2. 

THAT stretch was a ton of fun.  I really miss the shows intertwining with the movies.   Next is the first two episodes of Season 2...then Guardians of the Galaxy, then one more episode of AoS before going straight back into GOTG2.  Then *most* of the rest of Season 2.   According to the official MCU Wiki, AoU gets inserted just before the final 3 episodes. 

Not sure how we're going to split that up yet.   But I will say that, as good as The Winter Soldier is, my enjoyment of it is enhanced even more by the events in AoS.  Especially knowing that Fury is alive...but knowing that no one in AoS knows that.   And then the payoff at the end.   

Ya.  That was a fun ride. 

[jammindude]

So...I'm going to need some feedback opinions on an upcoming crossroads I'm going to have in my MCU chronological viewing.   Because most of the movies have roughly compartmentalized story lines....with one exception.   Doctor Strange. 

Here is a rough list of the chronological version of events, taken directly from the MCU Wiki

Doctor Strange (events in the prologue)

The first half of Season 3 of Agents of SHIELD

Doctor Strange (Act I)

All but the last 3 episodes of Season 3 Agents of SHIELD

Captain America: Civil War

The last 3 episodes of Season 3 of Agents of SHIELD

Black Panther

Doctor Strange (the training section)

The Inhumans (which I may or may not include...though I did enjoy it the first time)

Spider Man: Homecoming

Doctor Strange (the middle and ending)

Since it seems to me like the entire 2nd half of the film takes place near the end, I'm thinking I will just save it til after Homecoming and treat the first half of the film like a "flashback"...but I thought I'd get some other opinions.  What do you guys think?   I'm nerdy enough to attempt this undertaking, but I'm not so nerdy that I'm actually going to split up the film over 3 or 4 sections.   That's dumb. 

[ariich]

Definitely. The main bulk of the film is set in the order it was released, so it only makes sense to watch it at that point, with the rest being "flashbacks".

[bosk1]

Agreed.  (and just overlook the fact that Strange and Homecoming screw up the timeline a bit anyway, so it is virtually impossible to get it exactly right anyway)

[hefdaddy42]

Agreed.  Also, I would avoid Inhumans for a couple of reasons, mostly that it's like the Jeffries tubes in Star Trek, which were inscribed with GNDN.

Goes nowhere, does nothing.

[Adami]

Agreed.  Also, I would avoid Inhumans for a couple of reasons, mostly that it's like the Jeffries tubes in Star Trek, which were inscribed with GNDN.

Goes nowhere, does nothing.

Yea. If you're not going to watch the Netflix shows because it's too irrelevant to the overall story, then you should also skip Inhumans.


It's also awful.

[jammindude]

When D+ first debuted, the wife and I watched it with extremely low expectations. (Literally expecting a dumpster fire of MST3K worthiness). And with expectations that low, we ended up liking it a lot more than we thought we would.

But ya, it really has almost no tie ins at all.

[jammindude]

First two episodes of AOS S2, followed by GOTG.

Not yet sure why they put one single solitary episode of AOS between GOTG 1 and 2, but maybe it will become apparent.

It was fun...I’m tired...Gunn is the king of Easter Eggs and I’m glad he’s coming back for a third helping.

[Zook]

Anyone think the first Avengers looks a tad low budget? The effects still hold up, but the movie itself just looks cheap, almost like a TV movie.

[jammindude]

Anyone think the first Avengers looks a tad low budget? The effects still hold up, but the movie itself just looks cheap, almost like a TV movie.

Zook - "Evil Incarnate"

[Zook]

Hey, they only got better, but Avengers 1 isn't aging the greatest for me.

[jingle.boy]

Captain Puerto Rico's uniform is what looks the most out of place.  Otherwise I think it holds up just fine.

[jammindude]

I'm completely unsure of the reasoning behind putting the GOTG movies in the official MCU Wiki.  If I had to do it over again, I would just watch them back to back between seasons 1 & 2 of AoS. 

As it is, the official timeline lists it as:

First 2 Episodes of Season 2 of AoS.

GOTG

1 more episode of Season 2

GOTG2

All but the last 3 episodes of Season 2 (AoU is inserted there)

I get AoU's placement...but the GOTG's seem a bit weird.  I have seen other fans say that they belong between seasons 1 & 2, but I can't deny that I'm curious as to their reasoning.

[jammindude]

I just finished with all the AoS Season 2 up to Age of Ultron.   The episode before AoU is really cool.   I simply cannot state enough how fun it is when the TV show is interacting with the movies like this.  I hope we get more of this moving forward with the D+ shows and the Phase 4 movies.

[jammindude]

We are almost done with season three, and we watched Captain America Civil War tonight. I forgot what an emotional roller coaster this movie is. And we were all commenting tonight on how Marvel started to really ramp up how good the movies were leading up to Infinity War. Almost every movie seems better than the one before it. Just amazing what they accomplished.

Next is the final 3 episodes of season three, followed by Black Panther, Spider-Man Homecoming, and Doctor Strange before heading into season 4.

And the best part?? My sons have NO IDEA that Ghost Rider is coming. I’m having the most difficult time keeping my mouth shut! 😈

[bosk1]

We are almost done with season three, and we watched Captain America Civil War tonight. I forgot what an emotional roller coaster this movie is.

I don't know why, but I never really connected much with this movie, and I find that it hasn't aged well.  It has its moments, but much like the airport fight, it is just full of punches that never landed for me. 

[jammindude]

We are almost done with season three, and we watched Captain America Civil War tonight. I forgot what an emotional roller coaster this movie is.

I don't know why, but I never really connected much with this movie, and I find that it hasn't aged well.  It has its moments, but much like the airport fight, it is just full of punches that never landed for me.

For me, it's just the embodiment of how things are not as cut and dry as people make them out to be.   Cap's best friend is responsible for hundreds of deaths, including Tony's parents....or is he?   Was he responsible for his actions?   Or does the fault lay strictly with Hydra for experimenting on him and making him do things against his will?    Then we have Tony who can't see anything but the guy who killed his mom.   Totally understandable, but not the whole story.    Then we have Black Panther, who holds Bucky responsible for something he DIDN'T actually have anything to do with, and ultimately learning the lesson that Tony (who only wanted revenge) was missing.   

Very multi-faceted that way, and I really appreciated the way that all the characters were well developed and had their own well rounded motivations for doing what they did.     There were legitimate reasons on all sides for each character to take the action they did, even though it put them at odds with each other.   

I would think it not easy to put that many emotions and subplots into a cohesive story, but by jove they pulled it off brilliantly.