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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2590 on: April 09, 2019, 07:36:39 AM »
All of those are perfectly valid, and if you don't hear the score problem, you have ears like Samsara.

I don't hear it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one because I haven't really paid attention to that.

Also, in the news, Kevin Fiege said that it'll be a "very long time" til the X-Men show up in the MCU. I think that's smart. I just hope it's not that long before FF characters show up. Not necessarily the team themselves, but just anyone from their comics.

Yeah, I think it's smart not to rush the X-Men coming in as well.  Kinda gets to that reboot confusion issue that I mentioned in the Joker thread.  We just don't need more X-Men right now.  And given everything that's going on in the MCU, their existence, hitherto a secret, would be jarring.  They need to take their time and figure out how to work in a good story that weaves into the fabric of the MCU in a satisfying way.

Unrelated to the above discussion, but after watching Ragnarok and Infinity War recently: just how small a population did Asgard have? They all fit on a not-very-large ship, and yes I realize Hela slaughtered quite a few but seriously the population appears to be less than one Midgard city.

That has been my major gripe with Ragnarok from day 1.  The scale of Asgard was just way, way off.  Or at least, it felt way off.  The movie was pretty good overall, but I think they mishandled that.
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2591 on: April 09, 2019, 07:41:10 AM »
Regading Asgard, yea it seemed way off. My best explanation was that like 90% of Asgard were their military (for lack of a better word) and Hela wiped them ALL out, so you're only left with the civilian population, which I assumed was always very small.
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« Reply #2592 on: April 09, 2019, 11:07:47 AM »
It makes Thor's quote in Infinity War "he slaughtered half my people" seem REALLY overdone.

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« Reply #2593 on: April 09, 2019, 11:09:50 AM »
It makes Thor's quote in Infinity War "he slaughtered half my people" seem REALLY overdone.

Not really, because that's Thanos' M.O.  At the beginning of Infinity War when he departs Thor's ship, Thanos himself says that he left half of his [Thor's] people alive.

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« Reply #2594 on: April 09, 2019, 12:49:45 PM »
It makes Thor's quote in Infinity War "he slaughtered half my people" seem REALLY overdone.

Not really, because that's Thanos' M.O.  At the beginning of Infinity War when he departs Thor's ship, Thanos himself says that he left half of his [Thor's] people alive.

I was referring to the fact that it sounds like it should be millions of people but is in fact a few hundred. And where were these supposed survivors? The ship was blown up.

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« Reply #2595 on: April 09, 2019, 02:22:11 PM »
Bit behind the times as I realise everyone is doing pregame re-watches, but I finally saw Captain Marvel. Loved it. Loved her.

It wasn't perfect of course, none of the films are, and it's not one of my favourites but I do consider in the top tier as a lot of the recent films have been. Absolute ton of warmth and heart and humour.

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« Reply #2596 on: April 09, 2019, 02:32:02 PM »
I found it interesting to learn in the last couple of days that Brie Larson's first time filming as Captain Marvel was in fact her stuff for Endgame, not her solo film.
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« Reply #2597 on: April 09, 2019, 02:42:18 PM »
Didn't know that. Makes sense though given a lot (most? all?) of Endgame was filmed alongside Infinity War. And not entirely unique as obviously Tom Holland and Chadwick Boseman filmed (and appeared) in collaborative films first.

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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2598 on: April 09, 2019, 03:38:24 PM »
So far, I've been pretty aligned with virtually all of Adami's commentary.  The score isn't an issue for me - for the musicians in the group, you guys will notice stuff like that moreso than the average Joe.  I also think your (valid) beef about Dr. Strange's characterization (the comedic side) is tainted by your in depth knowledge of the comic version of Stephen Strange - wise, reserved, and stoic.  It was fine in the movie, and added a bit of charm - but I can see why hardcore comic fans would be put off by it.

I only have time to re-watch a few more of the movies, and gonna commit to AOU, Civil War, Ragnarok, and Infinity War.  Wondering if I should try to jam in Winter Soldier first, as the trailer clips hint at that version of Cap's suit.  Thoughts?
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« Reply #2599 on: April 10, 2019, 07:17:17 AM »
My thoughts are that it's never a bad idea to watch Winter Soldier, since it's one of the 4 or 5 best MCU films.
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« Reply #2600 on: April 10, 2019, 07:23:06 AM »
My thoughts are that it's never a bad idea to watch Winter Soldier, since it's one of the 4 or 5 best MCU films.

It's my #1 in the MCU.  It has a fantastic mix of old school action blended with the modern CGI.  The Storyline is fantastic and the acting was a well.
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« Reply #2601 on: April 11, 2019, 05:39:31 AM »
My thoughts are that it's never a bad idea to watch Winter Soldier, since it's one of the 4 or 5 best MCU films.

I concur... it's just a matter of having enough time.  jingle.son is still at school until Good Friday, and with the move and hockey playoffs, disposable time is at a premium.
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« Reply #2603 on: April 11, 2019, 08:43:12 PM »
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Re: Marvel's Movie/TV Universe *SPOILERS* 2
« Reply #2604 on: April 11, 2019, 09:42:39 PM »
30 second Spanish language trailer, only 30 seconds, nothing really new other than a touch of action I haven't seen yet.

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« Reply #2605 on: April 12, 2019, 07:35:25 AM »
Disney + to launch November 12, 2019 for $6.99/month or $69.99 annually.

It will include Marvel shows WandaVision (about, well, Wanda and the Vision), Loki, Falcon and Winter Soldier, and Hawkeye, with all original actors reprising their roles.  Interestingly, Hawkeye will feature Clint Barton passing the torch to Kate Bishop.

Also, animated show What If? which could be friggin' awesome, and a documentary series with a working title of Marvel's 616, along with a show called Marvel's Hero Project, about young people making differences in their communities.

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« Reply #2606 on: April 12, 2019, 07:42:25 AM »
$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.
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« Reply #2607 on: April 12, 2019, 07:54:57 AM »
$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.

They'll get everyone signed up and 'hooked' then bump up the cost after a year or two.
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« Reply #2608 on: April 12, 2019, 08:03:20 AM »
I don't think any of those shows will be available day one, although a couple of them will be in the first year.

Per Kevin Feige, at least 12 of the MCU films will be available on day one:

Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Thor: Ragnarok
Guardians of the Galaxy
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Black Panther
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man & the Wasp
Captain Marvel
Avengers: Endgame

Which doesn't even count all of the Lucasfilm content (films and shows) and Disney and Pixar content, and even some stuff from Fox right off the bat, including the first 30 seasons of The Simpsons, and National Geographic's collection of documentaries and specials, and family-friendly Fox shows and films like Malcolm in the Middle and Bend It Like Beckham.
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« Reply #2609 on: April 12, 2019, 08:07:27 AM »
That's a pretty good launch lineup!

$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.

They'll get everyone signed up and 'hooked' then bump up the cost after a year or two.

Y'know, I'd actually be okay with that even if they bump it up several dollars (up to like, say, 11 or 12 dollars/mo), only because the amount of stuff I want to watch is pretty large. I hate signing up for Netflix just to watch Stranger Things, and it's twice the cost of this service, basically paying a movie ticket to watch ST and then cancel  :lol
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« Reply #2610 on: April 12, 2019, 08:08:47 AM »
That's a pretty good launch lineup!

$6.99? Dude, they are coming out of the gates swinging. And with that lineup it's a no-brainer. I'm excited for this.

They'll get everyone signed up and 'hooked' then bump up the cost after a year or two.

Y'know, I'd actually be okay with that even if they bump it up several dollars (up to like, say, 11 or 12 dollars/mo), only because the amount of stuff I want to watch is pretty large. I hate signing up for Netflix just to watch Stranger Things, and it's twice the cost of this service, basically paying a movie ticket to watch ST and then cancel  :lol

Oh dude....this service will be a hit in the GMD household. I'll get every penny's worth out of it. I'd pay $12-15 a month for it....which is probably where it'll end up at eventually.
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« Reply #2611 on: April 12, 2019, 08:12:09 AM »
Hah! Same here, and I live by myself!  :lol

I'm really interested to see what happens to Netflix and other streaming services. I didn't even think about it until last night, but yesterday morning I cancelled my Netflix subscription because I forgot to do so before my card got charged again. I wonder how many other people cancelled because of the Disney news  :lol
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« Reply #2612 on: April 12, 2019, 08:14:47 AM »
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?
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« Reply #2613 on: April 12, 2019, 08:25:42 AM »
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

As far as I know, those stay on Netflix. No new ones, but old ones won’t move.
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« Reply #2614 on: April 12, 2019, 08:32:08 AM »
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

As far as I know, those stay on Netflix. No new ones, but old ones won’t move.

This, and if they want to develop new content with the characters, they have to wait at least two years.
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« Reply #2615 on: April 12, 2019, 08:39:11 AM »
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

Apparently Netflix (per contract) retains those marvel shows for 2 years, and nothing can be done with the character until the 2 years have passed.

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« Reply #2616 on: April 12, 2019, 12:10:42 PM »
I haven't been following too closely.  So what about the Marvel/Netflix partnership shows like Daredevil, etc.?  Where are those going?

As far as I know, those stay on Netflix. No new ones, but old ones won’t move.

This, and if they want to develop new content with the characters, they have to wait at least two years.
That's it.  Marvel could pick them up to produce new episodes for Disney +, but there is a two year waiting period in the Netfilx contract.
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« Reply #2617 on: April 16, 2019, 05:06:39 PM »
So, was out of town for several days for a training, back now!

Continuing with my rewatch, last week was Captain America: Civil War.

God damn this movie is good. 

So here's a little back story for my relationship with this movie. Now, as you guys probably know, I'm a big Marvel comics guy. I have gone into all of these movies knowing that they will be very different from their comic book counterparts, and unless it was made MUCH worse, I was always open to that. This was tested to the strongest degree when I saw that they announced that they planned on adopting Civil War. Not sure how many of you guys know this, but every year Marvel does a giant big story with most characters. Usually it's...fine. Sometimes it's meh or bad. And on occasion, it's VERY good. For me, Civil War, along with Dark Reign was one of the best major crossover stories I had read. Many disagree, but that's life. I read....literally....every single issue of Civil War AND every single tie in issue. That is a LOT of comics. I was hooked on this story. Seeing Steve and Tony come to that disagreement. Watching Rogers' underground Avengers fight Stark's poster Avengers. Seeing how all of the minor characters dealt with the registration act etc. It was so huge. Just...enormous. It involved everyone except the real Thor (and maybe Hulk?).

So I was super nervous when I heard they were doing this. I knew, for a fact, that a ton of the characters I loved from the comics version, such as Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Moon Knight, Punisher, Sentry, Captain Marvel, Wolverine etc, were not going to be in this. Most of all, however, Reed Richards and the Fantastic Four wouldn't be in this, and they were a major part of the comics. So I was skeptical. How could they do SUCH a huge story line in 2 hours with so few characters? But I went in open minded, yet expecting to be let down.

Then we got Black Panther. Then we got Spider-Man. And on top of that we just got one of the best MCU movies to date. This movie is just a paragon of great writing, great directing, great acting, great editing and so forth. It feels like it rushes but doesn't actually rush. It goes at the perfect pace, just like Winter Soldier. The team of Russos, Markus and McFeely can clearly do no wrong. The emotional arc of Tony Stark through this movie is just genius. I dunno man. I can't say enough good stuff about this movie. I'll try to do a totally disproportionate list of likes/dislikes that just touches the surface for some of it.

Likes:
- All of the acting and characters. Steve and Tony are fantastic. Vision and Wanda are also fantastic. Bucky, Sam, Hawkeye, Ant-Man, etc. Fantastic
- Black Panther. Fantastic introduction that told us everything we need to know without a wasted word. Great acting, action, costume, fighting etc.
- SPIDER-MAN! Never handled so well. They summed up his entire god damn character perfectly in like 2 minutes of screen-time. It's very impressive.
- I really loved Zemo. I think he's often considered a low tier villain, but he's fantastic. His character is original, well acted, and honestly just really different. Yes, his plan had some coincidences that needed to work, but I can live with that. Also love that he is one of two villains that accomplished his goals and didn't die.
- The action. Nuff said.
- Bringing back Thunderbolt Ross was a really nice, albeit small, move. Nice to know that The Incredible Hulk wasn't TOTALLY ignored.
- The ending being a 2 on 1 fist fight rather than a giant sky beam everyone blowing everything up.
- The comedy is honestly fantastic. Bucky and Sam nodding at Cap after kissing Sharon. Spider-Man not knowing how to fight without sounding like a nerd. Just really natural and character rooted comedy. Much unlike Guardians where it became jokes for the sake of jokes.
- Also the ending of Rogers smashing Stark's chest reactor with his shield. Breaking Tony's heart with the symbol for his values and ideals. Beautiful.

Didn't like:
- Few plot holes in Zemo's plan. Nothing huge, but if anything had gone wrong, I feel like he'd be out of luck.
- I dunno. I honestly can't think of much I didn't like on this one.


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« Reply #2618 on: April 16, 2019, 05:45:09 PM »
I'm with ya Adam. I think I read (almost) all of the CW tie-ins (96 in total iirc). I have all of the same feelings and concerns towards this movie, and all of the same thoughts. Having all the pieces of Zemo's plan fall into place perfectly is my only -MINOR - gripe. Otherwise, it's flawless in my opinion.

The Russo's were masterful to pull the major ideas from the comics, while still making it seamlessly fit into the MCU was great.
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« Reply #2620 on: April 16, 2019, 06:06:29 PM »
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« Reply #2621 on: April 16, 2019, 06:09:57 PM »
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« Reply #2623 on: April 16, 2019, 06:50:47 PM »
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« Reply #2624 on: April 17, 2019, 06:39:40 AM »
Apparently some jackhole leaked a 5 minute section of Avengers: Endgame.

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