Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)

[Stadler]

Holy mother of Cage. Insane Marvel news coming out of investors day.

Black Panther II will not recast T'Challah
Captain Marvel II.
Ant Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
Secret Invasion show
Armor Wars show
Iron Heart show
She- Hulk officially has Tatyana
Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
I am Groot show


Also new trailers for WandaVision, Falcon & Winter Soldier, and Loki.

Edit: ALSO FANTASTIC FOUR CONFIRMED WITH JON WATTS TO DIRECT

Also Spider-Man 3 confirmed to explore multi-verse.

Honestly, the only one of those I care about is the one Marvel movie I care about MOST:  The Fantastic Four.  Probably my favorite Marvel book, and I really did not like the previous movies.   

[Adami]

Fine. Then you and I are seeing FF together. Hand holding and all.

[Stadler]

Fine. Then you and I are seeing FF together. Hand holding and all.

I'm in.  Here, have some popcorn.   

[Adami]

Fine. Then you and I are seeing FF together. Hand holding and all.

I'm in.  Here, have some popcorn.   

I tend to grab popcorn at the bottom of the bucket.

[King Postwhore]

Stads, are you high. Give me it all. I need my Marvel crack!

[Stadler]

Stads, are you high. Give me it all. I need my Marvel crack!

Bear in mind, I'm behind on the MCU.  One of my winter goals is to catch up.

[King Postwhore]

Get on it dammit.  You should be shamed. 

[DoctorAction]

Looks great. God, I've missed the MCU this year...

[hefdaddy42]

Very excited about all of this news.  The trailers they released all look fantastic.

Loki is going to be HUGE.

Ruffalo will be appearing in She-Hulk.  As he should be. 

[T-ski]

Disappointing......not a single “wow” from Owen Wilson.

[jingle.boy]

Ruffalo will be appearing in She-Hulk.  As he should be. 

Wasn't there a rumour that he's there for Banner/Hulk will be killed off?

[hefdaddy42]

Ruffalo will be appearing in She-Hulk.  As he should be. 

Wasn't there a rumour that he's there for Banner/Hulk will be killed off?

Hadn't heard that. 

I would imagine he will be a token presence for the creation of She-Hulk, not the death of Hulk.  Besides, I'm not sure he CAN be killed.

[ariich]

Agreed Hef.

I really can't see them killing him off in any of the shows to be honest. If they decided to do it at all, I would have thought it would be in one of the major movies. But given he's injured and retired, I'm not even sure in what context they'd do that. Who knows, they could surprise us.

[jingle.boy]

I coulda swore I heard that rumour, but now can't find any evidence of it.  Thought it was strange at the time I'd heard it.

[bosk1]

If they want to end the character and/or Ruffalo's contract, they could easily present him as weakened and vulnerable due to his use of the gauntlet and stones, and kill him off.  But as to rumors of doing that, I hadn't heard anything either.

[lonestar]

The new Wandavision trailer is so goddamn intriguing, out of the gates that's looking to be the best of the lot.

[ThatOneGuy2112]

D.B. Cooper being Loki cracks me up for some reason. Really looking forward to that.

[lonestar]

So I just watched the full announcement by Lord Feige himself. The next four years are going to be fucking dope. What If looks absolutely insane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs2ij2L8f9E&ab_channel=EverythingAlways

[Kotowboy]

I loved the MCU and thought Infinity War and Endgame were both great.

But how much better would Endgame have been if that was the final movie in the MCU ?

Obviously it's not cause of $$$. But imagine if they'd stopped that particular universe there.

I'm worried now that they can't keep it going like before and only have the potential to undo all their good work.

That being said - i'm still looking forward to Spiderman 3 - Doctor Strange 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy 3.


Who is the next big bad going to be ? Are they starting from the bottom again with all new characters ? How do you go bigger than Thanos ? 

[lordxizor]

I think as well that the MCU has probably peaked with Endgame, but that doesn't mean there can't still be many great movies to come. Of course Disney is going to milk their investment for all it's worth instead of just being happy with their returns so far. I'm sure there will be some great movies and some duds just like there have been before. But overall the future of the MCU is still bright.

I'm not a comic reader, but my understanding is that there are several villains more powerful than Thanos that have not been seen in the MCU yet.

[Kotowboy]

Spiderman Far From home was kind of an Endgame epilogue...


But I think the next MCU movie should come out in 2024 - to give everyone a chance to mis it and get excited again.

I mean hasn't that franchise made over $10bn so far ?

[ariich]

I mean hasn't that franchise made over $10bn so far ?

It's made over $20bn.

EDIT: In terms of box office revenues, that is.

[Kotowboy]

Yes I meant specifically Iron Man (2008) up until Endgame (2019).

Box Office Mojo has gone Pro now so you can't look up stuff like that anymore. Annoying as fuck since it used to be one of my fave websites for Box Office info.

[bosk1]

I loved the MCU and thought Infinity War and Endgame were both great.

But how much better would Endgame have been if that was the final movie in the MCU ?

I'm not sure how it being the final movie or not changes anything.  It was pretty great, and would still be the same movie if there was nothing after it.

[Kotowboy]

But it was such a perfect end to that whole saga that they can only harm it by making awful movies going forward.

Are they planning on another seperate story for the next ten years ?

I know We will have sequels of Phase 3 films and Anthony Mackie is the new Cap etc...

I wonder if they do really badly ( unlikely I know - but people MUST get tired of the formula eventually ) - you know they'll bring back Tony Stark via timey wimey stuff.

[Adami]

But it was such a perfect end to that whole saga that they can only harm it by making awful movies going forward.

Are they planning on another seperate story for the next ten years ?

I know We will have sequels of Phase 3 films and Anthony Mackie is the new Cap etc...

I wonder if they do really badly ( unlikely I know - but people MUST get tired of the formula eventually ) - you know they'll bring back Tony Stark via timey wimey stuff.

No.

[Kotowboy]

Oh i forgot where I was.

[DoctorAction]

I don't think they'll screw it up. They've done such a cracking job turning a huge mass of (arguably) arbitrary canon into something hugely appealing and compelling thus far. For example, I love comics but I'm not a superhero guy. I was as a kid but wasn't hugely into it. And Captain America I could not have cared less about. Those little wings? Please. But Cap in the movies? Love him! Thor in the comics? Meh. Just not my bag. Thor played by Hemsworth? Wow! I think it's hard to overstate what a phenomenal creative victory the MCU movies are. That kind of talent and insight is not accidental - so I have faith. Can't wait for whatever comes next. 

[Kotowboy]

I'll see Thor 4

Doctor Strange 2 ( even though i'm not a massive fan of the look of Sam Raimi's films - too Son of Mask for my liking )

Guardians 3

Maybe Spidey 3

But i'm not interested in any new characters.

[lordxizor]

I'm not super interested in the new characters either, but I'll certainly check out the movies. There hasn't been a character thus far that I don't enjoy, even those that didn't sound all that interesting before the movies came out.

I do think eventually the Marvel formula and superheroes in general will get stale and the popularity will wane, but for now I'll check out anything Marvel releases.

[Orbert]

they can only harm it by making awful movies going forward.

Most people have perspective and just look at it as a period when things were really hitting all the marks versus another period when things weren't as cracking the whole time.  Does a band making an album you don't like ruin their previous works for you?  Does a singer releasing a crappy song hurt their other songs?  Why would a subpar movie hurt what came before it?

[lonestar]

I feel they'll slowly step away from all the first wave of characters, especially with F4 on the horizon and X-Men still in the wings. My daughter was quick to point out that Wandavision seems to take directly from the House of M storyline, and after a bit of research, I'd definitely agree (she outnerds me time and time again, so proud!!), which may serve as a place to start bringing the Xmen universe in. As long as they hold the quality, Marvel nerds will show up.

[Stadler]

I watched Captain America last night.  Good movie.  I was never a Capt. fan in the comics (first, I was a DC guy, and what Marvel I did read was Spidey and Fantastic Four) but I liked it.  It was fun and engaging.

[Adami]

I wouldn't worry too much about the Marvel formula. It seems, at least for this phase (and the last bits of the last phase) they're going more team up movies in general. Thor has a ton of other people in it now, Spider-Man has Dr. Strange (among others), Captain Marvel has Ms. Marvel and Monica. Eternals is already a team. Black Widow has her other Russian family people. It seems to focus less on one specific individual and more on a team up. I think that'll work.

Might not use that for Blade, but Marvel isn't dumb. Everyone on every board is saying the same thing about the Marvel formula growing boring in future and not being interested in B or C list characters. They are aware of all of that and are making the movies with all of that in mind. Will they succeed? Hopefully, but it won't be because they're in a secluded bubble about it.

[hefdaddy42]

TL,DR

Marvel isn't dumb.