Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)

[King Postwhore]

The newest ones starting with First Class are in chronological order so for those go as they were released.

[Adami]

Kinda dumb question perhaps, but I need a good viewing order for the X films.  I honestly can't remember whether I have even seen all of them.  I have the first one, X2, and Wolverine.  The kids have seen those relatively recently, in that order.  For the rest, what order should we watch them in?  I think I saw some of the others, but as I said, I don't recall.

Strangely, D+ only has the original, Days of Future Past, and Apocalyse, so there are definitely gaps there.

That’s a tough one because of the timelines.

Here’s how I’d do it, but I’m very biased

1. First Class
2. Origins (or you can skip it)
3. X-Men
4. X2
5. Last Stand
6. The Wolverine
7. Days of Future Past
8. Logan

I’d strongly suggest just skipping apocalypse and dark Phoenix.

[jingle.boy]

Kinda dumb question perhaps, but I need a good viewing order for the X films.  I honestly can't remember whether I have even seen all of them.  I have the first one, X2, and Wolverine.  The kids have seen those relatively recently, in that order.  For the rest, what order should we watch them in?  I think I saw some of the others, but as I said, I don't recall.

Strangely, D+ only has the original, Days of Future Past, and Apocalyse, so there are definitely gaps there.

That’s a tough one because of the timelines.

Here’s how I’d do it, but I’m very biased

1. First Class
2. Origins (or you can skip it)-
3. X-Men                              |
4. X2                                   |
5. Last Stand                        |
6. The Wolverine                   |
7. Days of Future Past           |
8. Logan                              |
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I’d strongly suggest just skipping apocalypse and dark Phoenix.

This is all good advice, and skip Origins too.

[King Postwhore]

Out of the 3 they suggest to skip, Apocalypse is better than the other 2. 

[Adami]

Out of the 3 they suggest to skip, Apocalypse is better than the other 2.

This is true.




Still skip. They’re all awful.

I’m a Marvel fan boy. And apocalypse was so awful that I never even watched Dark Phoenix.

[jingle.boy]

Out of the 3 they suggest to skip, Apocalypse is better than the other 2.

This is true.




Still skip. They’re all awful.

I’m a Marvel fan boy. And apocalypse was so awful that I never even watched Dark Phoenix.

I only did because it was free on a flight home from Calgary. Truly an abomination. Apocalypse is terrible because of how they wrote storm, Magneto and Mystique, and to some degree how they neutered Apocalypse.  DP was terrible because of how they wrote everyone.

[King Postwhore]

Adami, don't. Dark Phoenix was bad.  First Class was excellent.   How it dropped so far to Dark Phoenix is shocking. 

[hefdaddy42]

I don't know.  I didn't like First Class, either, although it was definitely better than Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix.

Honestly, bosky, just go with X-Men, X-Men 2, and Logan.  Ignore everything else.

[Adami]

I don't know.  I didn't like First Class, either, although it was definitely better than Apocalypse or Dark Phoenix.

Honestly, bosky, just go with X-Men, X-Men 2, and Logan.  Ignore everything else.

First class is a lot like Up. The first 10 or whatever minutes are great. Then the rest is mediocre.

[hefdaddy42]

I agree with you.

Really, I haven't LIKED any of the X-Men films.

[bosk1]

Not sure how long this will stay up, but a YouTuber posted bootleg footage of the theatrical Black Widow trailer shown before New Mutants:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KWFeCn5tq8&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D&feature=push-fr&attr_tag=Incy0_s2bQOS9igk%3A6

If you don't watch to watch to avoid potential spoilers, that's cool.  I won't reveal anything here.  I think the most important non-spoiler takeaway is that it is showing the intended release date to still be 11/6.  But as far as content, I won't get into that.  I didn't see anything that overtly looked spoilerish.  But more than that, as with other Marvel trailers (and other trailers, for that matter), it was pretty obviously edited in such a way as to (mis)lead the viewer to believe certain things about the story that almost certainly will play out very differently in the film when seen in context.

[Bolsters]

RIP Chadwick Boseman.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

aw man what the fuck

[gzarruk]

RIP Chadwick Boseman.

WHAT?! No way

[faizoff]

RIP Chadwick Boseman.

Just read that, very sad indeed. The guy was awesome as Black Panther and loved his role as Jackie Robinson in 42. Had no idea he was battling cancer.

[The Walrus]

This came out of absolutely nowhere for me. WTF. Holy crap, this is awful news. Way, way too young, and he was so talented. God dammit. I just watched Civil War a couple months ago and still loved his performance. Guess I'll be watching Black Panther this weekend.

Kevin Smith is going to bawl a river on camera inevitably.

[ProfessorPeart]

So he knew he had and fought Stage III colon cancer for 4 years. Stunning to think that he filmed Black Panther already knowing he had cancer. Think about that. Plus, the Avenger movies and everything else he did after BP.

Kudos to the man. Can't imagine the pain he was in and the struggles he went through to accomplish that. That's inspiration right there.

[Adami]

Just read. Oh man.

I dunno. Just nothing but respect. R.I.P brother.

[jingle.boy]

So he knew he had and fought Stage III colon cancer for 4 years. Stunning to think that he filmed Black Panther already knowing he had cancer. Think about that. Plus, the Avenger movies and everything else he did after BP.

Kudos to the man. Can't imagine the pain he was in and the struggles he went through to accomplish that. That's inspiration right there.

Yeah... that's an impressive act of courage and character.

This came out of absolutely nowhere for me. WTF. Holy crap, this is awful news. Way, way too young, and he was so talented. God dammit. I just watched Civil War a couple months ago and still loved his performance. Guess I'll be watching Black Panther this weekend.

Yup.   

[hefdaddy42]

So sad. What a talented actor.

[jammindude]

So what happens with BP2?   Do you think they will recast?   People are very unforgiving when it's a money or other negotiation that gets an actor replaced...but they are often far more forgiving in the event of a death.    I'm sure he would have wanted someone else to take on the role.   I just can't see killing off the character and using another character to take on the role of BP.   I think you need to re-cast the existing role.

[ProfessorPeart]

Well, even before his death I had seen talk of passing the mantle to his sister Shuri at some point. In the comics she does succeed T'Challa as the Black Panther after he falls into a coma. They could probably tweak the storyline to move forward.

[lordxizor]

I suspect Suri will become Black Panther earlier than was originally planned. The question is how they write out T'Challa. Does he die off screen? They have the technology to digitally impose his face on another actor, so they could have him die on screen. It will be interesting to see how they decide to handle it

[The Walrus]

I mentioned on Facebook that I think someone else should be BP instead of Shuri and immediately was met with "you have something against female superheroes, lol what's next you gonna complain about Jane Foster as Thor?" and I'm sitting here thinking I'm like the only guy I know who is STILL hyped about Captain Marvel.

I admit I don't 100% know who could become the next Black Panther but my initial reaction was 'not Shuri' because I thought one had to be a warrior? And Shuri does not seem like a warrior. She seems like an incredibly gifted scientist, not a fighter. (yes, I know Bruce Banner is both, and so is RDJ, but Shuri does not look like she could be intimidating in physical combat to me - she seems more suitable behind the scenes as the brains of the operations)

Above all else, I, too, am very interested to see how they resolve all this in the sequel and don't mind if Shuri becomes BP - I just don't see how they do that unless Shuri's going to become the new Tony Stark.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Apparently Shuri became Black Panther in the comics at some point, which is where that idea seems to be coming from.

[Adami]

It's super tricky.

Recasting him as T'Challah is just a lose/lose for the most part.

Everyone loved Shuri, so that might make more sense. But I'm sure they'll do something that works.

[axeman90210]

Yeah, I don't know what the best answer is (I just know that re-casting T'Challah isn't it), but as always I have faith in Marvel.

[bosk1]

I admit I don't 100% know who could become the next Black Panther but my initial reaction was 'not Shuri' because I thought one had to be a warrior? And Shuri does not seem like a warrior. She seems like an incredibly gifted scientist, not a fighter. (yes, I know Bruce Banner is both, and so is RDJ, but Shuri does not look like she could be intimidating in physical combat to me - she seems more suitable behind the scenes as the brains of the operations)

I pretty much agree with everything you said.  But I'll throw a bit of a different spin on it.  One of the themes in Black Panther was that Wakanda's ways were outdated, and that they needed to change.  Wakanda needed to remake itself because, even though it was very technologically advanced, it was ideologically behind the times.  I think reimagining what the black panther is and its place in Wakandan society fits that idea.  You are right that Shuri absolutely does not fit the traditional type for a black panther.  But she could be a different kind of black panther than what has existed, and I would actually be interested in seeing that.

But on a related topic you raised, I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Jane Foster become Thor.  That just seems like a horrible idea on just about every level (and, yes, I know there is comic precedence for it--that, in and of itself, does not necessarily make it a good idea).

[Grappler]

This loss just sucks.  He was a great actor and great person, and to Marvel fans, he obviously meant a lot.  To black fans, he meant so much more.  I really wanted to see him again as Black Panther. 

[The Walrus]

I admit I don't 100% know who could become the next Black Panther but my initial reaction was 'not Shuri' because I thought one had to be a warrior? And Shuri does not seem like a warrior. She seems like an incredibly gifted scientist, not a fighter. (yes, I know Bruce Banner is both, and so is RDJ, but Shuri does not look like she could be intimidating in physical combat to me - she seems more suitable behind the scenes as the brains of the operations)

I pretty much agree with everything you said.  But I'll throw a bit of a different spin on it.  One of the themes in Black Panther was that Wakanda's ways were outdated, and that they needed to change.  Wakanda needed to remake itself because, even though it was very technologically advanced, it was ideologically behind the times.  I think reimagining what the black panther is and its place in Wakandan society fits that idea.  You are right that Shuri absolutely does not fit the traditional type for a black panther.  But she could be a different kind of black panther than what has existed, and I would actually be interested in seeing that.

But on a related topic you raised, I have no interest whatsoever in seeing Jane Foster become Thor.  That just seems like a horrible idea on just about every level (and, yes, I know there is comic precedence for it--that, in and of itself, does not necessarily make it a good idea).

That is 100% true and I have total faith in Marvel to pull it off if they do go that route. I just think it's kind of a cheap cop out considering she would effectively be Iron Man 2.0, except female and black. I think it's a perfect opportunity for someone like Danai Gurira to step into the role, so Shuri can stay, well, Shuri. I like Shuri as a wise-cracking scientist who is still in touch with pop culture, personally

Female Thor: I share your apprehension with the idea, and yet, I'm also excited about it. But maybe that's because I love how Thor Ragnarok shaked up the Thor films, and I have faith they know exactly how to keep Thor interesting. I also think it's cool that Thor is the first hero to get 4 films under that hero's name.

[hefdaddy42]

I have no trepidation over a female Thor.  At least, not after reading the collection of the original comics with that story.

[bosk1]

My trepidation isn't over the fact of a "female Thor" per se.  It is both more and less specific than that. 

Generally, I don't like the idea of another "Thor" at all.  Thor is Thor.  He is a person.  Having someone else take the title just seems so stupid to me.  Yes, I know there is precedence in the comics.  But I thought it was dumb there too.  If we are done seeing actual Thor, I don't want to see someone else playing that role.  Let's just have different heroes (and heroines). 

The more specific thing is having Jane Foster take up the mantle.  There's no reason for that.  If we REALLY have to have another person be Thor (just typing that pains me), it should be Valkyrie, not Jane.

[The Walrus]

I would have loved for Valkyrie to 'become' the next Thor, as it were. In fact me and my best friend were banking on it.

[Orbert]

I'm of the same mind regarding Thor.  There shouldn't be a "new Thor" because Thor is not a title; Thor is a person.  There can be a new Black Panther, a new Iron Man, a new Captain America, because those are all titles.  I think it's dumb that they pass the title down at some point, but I guess it makes more sense than the character being around for 80 years or whatever and it's still the same person.  At some point "they" (comic books in general) decided that titles/characters can be passed down, and since the MCU movies do follow many of the conventions established by their source material, it's okay.

But Thor isn't a title, Thor is the son of Odin and Frigga, a specific person.  Someone can be the next King of Asgard, or the next God of Thunder, sure.  But the "next Thor"?  No.

[The Walrus]

What about Batman, Spider-Man, etc.... they've had different people in those roles. "Spider-Man" is just as much of a person as "Thor" is imo. I get it, Thor is his actual name, Spider-Man is an alias, but why can't Thor be an alias as well? Sure Miles Morales isn't Peter Parker, but he's still Spider-Man. And Thor = God of Thunder, there is only one God of Thunder, so if we have a new God of Thunder/Thor, they're the new Thor/God of Thunder.

It is a bit confusing.