Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)

[Indiscipline]

Two things deeply inspired my youth teaching me to dream, laying the foundations for the free happy person I'm today: music and Marvel comics.

I feel in debt to Mr Lee the same way I am to my father in that regard. Rest in peace.

[Adami]

Thanks Stan for your part in shaping my youth, my sense of ethics and morality, and my character. R. I. P.

[Bertielee]

I've been a fan of Marvel comics for more than 40 years! All of my childhood, teenage youth and most of my adult life! Damn, I knew it would come but it hurts! Thank you, Mr Lee, for making my life so much better when I needed it. RIP.

B.Lee

[bosk1]

Just popped in to say:  Luke Cage S1 isn't bad.  Got through a huge chunk of it for the conclusion of my flu-induced binge-watching over the weekend.  The dialog is pretty cringe-inducing in parts.  But I also get that the style is somewhat intentional and is a homage to '70s westerns and cop shows, which the at-times-stilted dialog intends to mimic, so I can forgive and give style points.  Cottonmouth was a GREAT character.  I'm kinda sorry to see him go.  I'm not warming up to Diamondback nearly as much, with three episodes to go. 

[Adami]

Just popped in to say:  Luke Cage S1 isn't bad.  Got through a huge chunk of it for the conclusion of my flu-induced binge-watching over the weekend.  The dialog is pretty cringe-inducing in parts.  But I also get that the style is somewhat intentional and is a homage to '70s westerns and cop shows, which the at-times-stilted dialog intends to mimic, so I can forgive and give style points.  Cottonmouth was a GREAT character.  I'm kinda sorry to see him go.  I'm not warming up to Diamondback nearly as much, with three episodes to go.

Yea, the last few episodes aren't great.

Season 2 was a HUGE improvement. Assuming you're okay with slow character based episodes, and not so much about action and stuff.

[bosk1]

No, I have no problem with slow character development.  It is one of the things that Marvel does well.  Even in the films, as jam-packed as they are, the characters have so much depth because we get to know them over the span of several movies.  From the Netflix shows I have seen so far, the slower pace seems to work just fine.  In fact, there is a LOT in general that works really well in these series.  The only thing I am not crazy about is that they seem to not be able to resist trying SO hard to sexualize EVERYTHING, which I not only find unnecessary, but even offputting. 

Back to the series:  Bobby Fish is such a cool character!

[Adami]

Yea, they definitely sexualize the hell out of LC season 1. Good thing I don't drink coffee haha.

And yea, season 2 is a huge up then.

[bosk1]

Good thing I don't drink coffee haha.

  I loved when he asked Claire if she wanted to go get coffee, and her response.

[gmillerdrake]

Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.

I’m probably just going to Youtibe the cliff notes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist.....plus I’m understanding they catch you up in their own way on what to know prior to season three so I’ll just roll with that approach. It’s simply too much to try and get through. Especially with my Game of Thrones rewatch on the horizon.

[bosk1]

Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.

I’m probably just going to Youtibe the cliff notes of Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist.....plus I’m understanding they catch you up in their own way on what to know prior to season three so I’ll just roll with that approach. It’s simply too much to try and get through. Especially with my Game of Thrones rewatch on the horizon.

I watched DD season 3 before watching any of the other shows, and I thought it was fine.  I don't think there is any significant crossover that makes viewing any of the other shows essential to understanding season 3 of DD.  It is self-contained enough.

I get what you are saying about not having time for the others.  I'm in the same boat.  And my wife isn't into them, which really cuts into my available time to watch them as well.  If not for being in bed with the flu for the better part of 3 days and nights, I wouldn't have watched Jessica Jones or Luke Cage.  That said, if you are not put off by the darkness and gratuitous sexuality, they are both REALLY good.  I wouldn't do a "cliff notes" version of Jessica Jones, in particular.  Season 1 is all about the journey and seeing how and why she does what she does.  To a lesser extent, that is true of Luke Cage as well.  These are very character-driven shows, so merely reading a summary doesn't really give a good feel for what they are about, IMO.

[Samsara]

Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.

Season 3 is great too. It is a slow burn at first, but huge pay off as you move through the middle to the end.

[bosk1]

Yeah, the first act almost isn't even really about Daredevil.  And that's fine. 

[gmillerdrake]

Through the first two seasons of Daredevil now. Really dig this show and loved season 2. The Punisher storyline was cool....as well as Electra.

Season 3 is great too. It is a slow burn at first, but huge pay off as you move through the middle to the end.

Yeah, the first act almost isn't even really about Daredevil.  And that's fine. 

You guys were right....these first five episodes of season 3 are kind of dark and a slow burn. But I’m digging it.

[Adami]

Kind of dark?

Oh, child.

[bosk1]

Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8. 

[gmillerdrake]

Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8.

Welp.....that guarantees I’m not going to sleep tonight until I’m done with Episode 8. 

[Adami]

Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8.

Welp.....that guarantees I’m not going to sleep tonight until I’m done with Episode 8. 

Oh, child.

You ain't sleeping.

[gmillerdrake]

Gary, I only have two words:  episode 8.

Welp.....that guarantees I’m not going to sleep tonight until I’m done with Episode 8. 

Oh, child.

You ain't sleeping.

Dang it! It’s only fitting. This series has cost me a few good nights of sleep so why not throw another one in there

[gmillerdrake]

Starting episode 8.....

 

[bosk1]

[lonestar]

 

[gmillerdrake]

OK so I watched through Episode 10. I'm gonna small font my post so I don't ruin anything for anyone:

The only real 'shocker' I gleened from Ep. 8 was the reveal of Matt's mom being Maggie the Nun. Which, I honestly had already started to suspect....it seemed like they were giving clues on that one. The other item could have been when Karen confronted Fisk and told him she killed Wesley...and that she confirmed Fisk's suspicions of Matt being the Daredevil.

Episode 9 was crazy when Agent Nadeem went to his Boss's house and she killed the lead Internal Guy in front of him and it was revealed she and a dozen other agents are under Fisk's control.

And with Episode 10....I did like seeing Karen's background BUT I don't think it was really necessary. I think the majority of us had pieced together the story from the clues and details that have been revealed thus far. I liked that it gave some context and appreciated the episode...thought it was good....but didn't see it being very relevant actually.

For as much as I like this series....which I do like it a lot.....I have an issue with this idea that Matt (daredevil) is having such a hard time defeating this FBI Agent Dex when they battle. Daredevil has fought and defeated trained assassin ninja's and even his mentor and lover who are just as skilled or more skilled than him. But this random FBI guy is somehow now just as or more powerful than him? And, he puts on the daredevil suit and is magically superior? I know they've played up this psychotic rage he has and that he apparently is really accurate throwing things....but I can't buy that he's 'superior' to Matt. What has allowed me to tolerate it is that I'm assuming that Matt isn't fully healed....he has multiple injuries....which is allowing this Dex dude to manhandle him the way he is. He's FBI...not Green Beret or Navy Seals....I'm really struggling with the 'believeability' aspect of that conflict.

I'm sure I'll hammer out the rest of the season either tonight or tomorrow night....can't wait to see where the final few episodes take the story.

[gmillerdrake]

Finished Season 3 of Daredevil. Really liked the season. I was curious as to if Matt would cross the line of killing Fisk.....and was glad to see they kept that aspect of his character in tact.

Having never read the comic I’ve done a bit of reading since I completed it to try and understand a couple of the characters and the idea behind Dex....looks like he will be Bullseye in future seasons? And, Fisk’s wife in the comic looks to be a villain as well....so I guess she could always still wreak some havoc.

[The Trooper]

Russo Bros. are doing a screening of Infinity War tomorrow with a Q&A after, rumor has it the Avenger 4 trailer will be shown then released on Youtube. Screening starts at 9:30 pm EST.

[Adami]

That would be cool. Though I feel like every day for the last 2 weeks has been a rumored trailer release date.

[countoftuscany42]

I’ll be at that screening, I’ll be sure to share any juicy details we hear 

[T-ski]

welp, so much for that trailer.

[Adami]

Daredevil officially cancelled.



Honestly I'm okay with this. Seems like the Marvel Netflix shows are over (hoping JJ3 and Punisher 2 are great, sure they will be). I'm happy to see DD go out on such a high note. Would hate for it to return for the sake of it, become meh and then die off.

[gmillerdrake]

Daredevil officially cancelled.



Honestly I'm okay with this. Seems like the Marvel Netflix shows are over (hoping JJ3 and Punisher 2 are great, sure they will be). I'm happy to see DD go out on such a high note. Would hate for it to return for the sake of it, become meh and then die off.

A tad bummed but as you mentioned it went out well.

[Adami]

I do wonder, however, if this will allow them to jump ship to the MCU. They definitely don't need their own movies, but throw them in the other movies.

[gzarruk]

If they're cancelling all the Marvel/Netflix shows, it gives me hope they'll do something with them on their new streaming platform.

[Adami]

If they're cancelling all the Marvel/Netflix shows, it gives me hope they'll do something with them on their new streaming platform.

I'm so torn on this. Iron Fist could do well. But the rest? On a Disney channel? Ehhhhhhhh. I don't see it at all. I would hate to see a Disney friendly version of Daredevil or Jessica Jones.

I guess I should give up hopes of a brutal dark Moon Knight series.

[gzarruk]

I think their move is that all the cash goes straight to Disney and not to Netflix for a Disney-owned franchise. DD did super well the way it is, so I think they'd keep it that way if they decide to bring the characters back.

[Adami]

But Disney, under no circumstance, will release DD or JJ the way they were directly under the Disney logo. It's just not going to happen. Ever.

[jammindude]

But Disney, under no circumstance, will release DD or JJ the way they were directly under the Disney logo. It's just not going to happen. Ever.

They own Deadpool now too.   I don't think they can kill that one.  Too big of a cash cow.   

But when they purchased Marvel, someone within Disney hinted (referring directly to a question about Deadpool) that they were looking at creating a different platform for the Marvel "adult" universe to exist in.    Sortof like what Touchstone used to be for Disney.   They only ripple is that currently, DD, JJ, IF, and LC all exist within the official MCU.   I think that will most likely change.    If they remain as they are, they will be entered into the Deadpool/Venom "unofficial" universe.