Marvel's Movie/TV Universe v2 (SPOILERS)

[jingle.boy]

To be fair to everyone... spoilers contained below.

I kinda see DoC's point as it relates to the fact that known there are forthcoming movies with Chadwick Boseman and Tom Holland are already in the works (if not filming), thus it throws an undeniable knowledge that the fate of those characters is not quite final.

However, despite the fact we 'know' the outcome (to some extent), it doesn't make *how* that outcome is achieved any less interesting.  It was no different in the comics... it's not like anytime there is a character death, that's the end of that character.  I look at all of these as comic books coming to life on the big screen.  There are certain continuities that exist (across different series') and some that don't.  Steve Rogers was killed in the Civil War comic storyline... but that wasn't the end of Steve Rogers in the Marvel Comic Universe.

The possibilities of how Rocket/Nebula/Rhodey + the original Avengers and Captain Marvel 'save the day' has me just as excited as what Infinity War was going to be in the first place.

[jammindude]

 Yesterday, they were teasing that the new Ant-man trailer would solve the mystery of where Ant-man was during infinity war. They lied...but it’s still a pretty cool trailer.

https://youtu.be/UUkn-enk2RU

[Adami]

Yesterday, they were teasing that the new Ant-man trailer would solve the mystery of where Ant-man was during infinity war. They lied...but it’s still a pretty cool trailer.

https://youtu.be/UUkn-enk2RU

He’s under house arrest.

[jammindude]

Yesterday, they were teasing that the new Ant-man trailer would solve the mystery of where Ant-man was during infinity war. They lied...but it’s still a pretty cool trailer.

https://youtu.be/UUkn-enk2RU

He’s under house arrest.

Ooooohhhhhhhhh.  That explains his location. I still find it suspect that everyone from that series of films survived.

[Podaar]

Guys, remember when the Star Lord group arrives and Knowhere and Thanos is interrogating the Collector? He's stomping on Benicio Del Toro and saying "Where is the stone? Where is the stone?

https://youtu.be/BvfTNRsVGlM?t=46

 

[BlackInk]

The main reason knowledge of future movies and an immediate assumption that many of the deaths will not be permanent did nothing to taint my experience is that the finger snapping scene and the following scenes were so damn well executed. How they chose to show people beginning to evaporate was pretty chilling. No music, just the sound of an ominous wind, with a lot of really tough people just being confused and really afraid. Spider-Man was probably the most effective, watching someone that young beg in panic not to die was incredibly emotionally effective. Those characters don’t know that there are sequels in production, they don’t know that there is likely a way to fix this. They’re just afraid as they’re dying/watching their friends desintegrate before their eyes. Empathy for them is why it’s effective and powerful.

[Orbert]

I agree.  We know that in the comics, "no one stays dead permanently" but the characters themselves don't.  Watching those scenes, one after another, of various characters disappearing, was pretty intense.

Spider-Man's was a gut-punch, but Nick Fury's was the best, for other (hopefully obvious) reasons.

[jingle.boy]

^ Nailed it!

Nick Fury ... "Mother F".....   

[The Walrus]

I loved Fury's reaction. That was hilarious. Marvel does post-credits scenes so wonderfully. They give just enough to give you an idea of what's coming but also raise a ton of questions to build hype. I can't freaking wait for Captain Marvel and I don't know jack about her other than she's basically the Marvel counterpart to Superman. I wonder if her mom is named Martha.

[faizoff]

I was reading an interview with Kevin Feige where he mentioned that they are probably going to stop diving the movies into phases and most likely phase 3 is the last time they categorize these movies. He also mentioned that the character landscape will undergo a reorganization of sorts. I'm very interested to see the next 2 movies now and absolutely cannot wait for Avengers 4.

Worth a read
https://collider.com/kevin-feige-interview-avengers-4/

[Adami]

Making my prediction for the Avengers 4 title.





Infinity Revelation.

I think gauntlet would be too obvious. But you never know.

[jingle.boy]

jingle.son hypothesized "Avengers: End Game".  It's quite possible it doesn't include Infinity.  If it does, it technically should be Infinity Gauntlet.

Just so long as it isn't "Infinity Crusade"

[The Walrus]

Well, he's definitely ruled out Infinity Gauntlet. Kevin Feige, that is. They've also said it's a spoiler for Infinity War, somehow. So, with that in mind... I have no idea. Avengers: Soul Sacrifice maybe? Sacrificed Sons? I dunno.

[lonestar]

Just got back from round two. So much more entertaining the second time, had the presence of mind to really dig into the finer details without being so in awe of the enormity of the story. They didn't miss much in the way of details for me, such an outstanding job. Also, when the credits started rolling, I took a glance at the crowd behind and all I saw was...

 










Also found this gem...

[axeman90210]

Per a Q&A with one of the Russos at his old high school, Tom Holland improv'd Spiderman's death scene.

[Zook]

I think I popped the most with Red Skull's appearance.

Thor at the end was epic as fuck too.

[gzarruk]

Thor at the end was epic as fuck too.

I was like WHOAAAAA when Thor threw his new hammer/axe to Thanos and he couldn't stop it, even with the gauntlet

[Dream Team]

Thor at the end was epic as fuck too.

I was like WHOAAAAA when Thor threw his new hammer/axe to Thanos and he couldn't stop it, even with the gauntlet

If it was a one-off movie, would have been a great ending (dying before he has a chance to activate the gauntlet).

I can’t help envisioning possible epic death scenes for Steve Rogers next year. I’m picturing him being mortally wounded and clasping Stark’s hand and saying something like “It’s ok Tony, this isn’t the world I wanted to come back to anyway” and then Tony tearfully and angrily saying “I will avenge you”. Too cheesy? I love the character and it would be emotional for me anyway.

[Polarbear]

Avengers: Infinity War was quite a ride!

I had read the synopsis beforehand, but it did not ruin the emotional moments for me. Gamora's death scene was my favorite scene in the movie. The sheer amount of stuff that is crammed into this movie is pretty astounding. It's a borderline miracle that the movie doesn't crash under it's own weight.

And are we really supposed to believe that Marvel is going to kill the Avengers, who are signed to do more movies for the studio? They are not going to kill their future golden goose franchises like that. I have a feeling that some time travel/ alternate universe shenanigans are involved in the Avengers 4.

[Adami]

So there's the theory that past snap people aren't dead but moved to like the Soul Stone, that's why they drifted away instead of actually dying or simply vanishing.


But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.

[gzarruk]

But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.

My thoughts as well

[Polarbear]

But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.

My thoughts as well

Third. Like I said, her death scene was my favorite scene in the movie. Having her and all those who died before the final scene come back, would cheapen this movie in my eyes

[jingle.boy]

But based on interviews with Zoey Saldana, seems like she really is done. I don't care if they bring back everyone from the snap, that isn't supposed to be shocking, but I also hope everyone who died pre-snap stays dead.

My thoughts as well

Third. Like I said, her death scene was my favorite scene in the movie. Having her and all those who died before the final scene come back, would cheapen this movie in my eyes

Wouldn't surprise me if she makes a come back... after all, she died in the world/area where the Soul gem was.

[lonestar]

Yeah, I can see Gamora coming back as well. Loki and Vision are toast though. and I feel at least a few who survived the 'snap' are gonna bite it in the reversal process, I'd guess Thor and Cap.

[jingle.boy]

Yeah, I can see Gamora coming back as well. Loki and Vision are toast though. and I feel at least a few who survived the 'snap' are gonna bite it in the reversal process, I'd guess Thor and Cap.

There's a theory that Vision might be salvageable... he does take a form that is 'color-less' in the comics.  I think Thor Odinson and Steve Rogers are gonna bite it though (ie, there may be another Thor and/or Captain America).  I think both Chris' have hinted insomuch that they've had their fill of Marvel movies - I think partially because of the physical demands - ya notice how there were no shots showing off Cap's/Evans' physique this movie?  It's probably time to move on from those characters.  I just don't know what Tony's fate is going to be.  And really, can there be any other Tony Stark than RDJr?

Loki's done; Heimdall's done.  Beyond that, I really don't know. 

[The Walrus]

Chris Evans is still in plenty good shape, lol.

[Orbert]

Anyone remember Valkyrie?  Yeah, me neither.  The chick that they got when they couldn't get Jaimie Alexander (Lady Sif) back for Thor: Ragnarok.  At the end of Ragnarok, Valkyrie was with Thor, Hulk, Loki and Heimdall.  Then at the beginning of Infinity War, the others are all there but she's nowhere to be seen.

Apparently she's alive?

[Adami]

Anyone remember Valkyrie?  Yeah, me neither.  The chick that they got when they couldn't get Jaimie Alexander (Lady Sif) back for Thor: Ragnarok.  At the end of Ragnarok, Valkyrie was with Thor, Hulk, Loki and Heimdall.  Then at the beginning of Infinity War, the others are all there but she's nowhere to be seen.

Apparently she's alive?

Everyone remembers Valkyrie. She was the breakout star of the whole movie.

And yes, she's alive. Thor even mentioned that Thanos killed half the Asgaurdians, not all of them.

[Orbert]

Was she really the breakout star?  Serious question.  I only saw Ragnarok once, and I was so busy trying to figure out if it was really happening or I was too stoned or something because everything seemed so over-the-top.  The evil sibling that "comes back" even though she's never even been mentioned before and she's super-powerful and crushes Thor's hammer in her hand and chews scenery like it was cereal with milk and what the fuck is Odin dead now and Thor got a haircut and hey there's the Asian dude oh yeah I guess they're all there except Lady Sif ha ha bummer I guess they wouldn't give her time off from her TV show that no one watches but they got some other chick "named" Valkyrie and I put that in quotes because a Valkyrie is a class of warriors not really someone's name but hey she's badass and pretty hot but there was so much other shit going on in that movie that I really didn't even remember her.  Then someone pointed out that she wasn't in Infinity War and I went Oh yeah, her.

[Adami]

To answer your question.


Yes.

[Accelerando]

Valkyrie? Tessa Thompson??



Yup. I remember her 

[jingle.boy]

Korg and Mieke were also not shown as slain either.

And yeah... Bob... you were probably too baked - during the movie, and that last post.   

[jammindude]

Not sure how I missed this, but I just realized that the first Iron Man was released in the US exactly 10 years ago today.   So I guess that means the MCU is officially 10 years old. 

19 movies and I don’t know how many TV series later....and I can honestly say I haven’t seen a single thing I didn’t at least enjoy.  (I have avoided the Inhumans).   Seriously, even though they are on the bottom of my list, I even have fun when I watch Thor 2, The Incredible Hulk, and Iron Man 3.   They are not amazing films, but if that’s the worst Marvel can dish out, it’s still better than half of the popcorn movies in existence.   

I’d say its been a pretty amazing 10 years.   Congrats to Marvel.   IMO, they have now become the greatest franchise in the history of cinema. 

[bill1971]

Fun thread. I absolutely loved Infinity War. I was worried about Thanos but he was just as interesting as any of the heroes. I also loved how purpose driven he was. When he obtained a stone he moved on, he didn't have to kill or capture everyone he faced. He often times had respect for them.

That ending was crushing. People say it's not as impactful because the heroes won't stay dead but that did not all diminish the gravity of the situation. I knew damn well Han Solo wasn't going to die* but seeing him being put in Carbonite with Leia and Chewis looking on is still emotional. And lucky we don't have to wait three years to see this conclusion.

*At that time.

[Podaar]

BTW, I really thought IW brought back the quality in patented Marvel one liners.

"Who's your Master?"

"What am I supposed to say, Jesus?"