Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[Orbert]

We're almost caught up with Discovery; we just watched an episode from February, and either my brain is getting numbed by all the WTF, or the show started sucking a bit less.  Just a little bit, ever so slightly.  All the shiny lights and explosions and stars and galaxies and awesome CGI effects had finally done their job and allowed me to forget that the rest of the show (mostly the writing) is really kinda bad.  And the one constant throughout the entire series is Michael Burnham is The Most Amazing Fucking Person Ever Fucking Born and She Will Solve All the Problems and She Will Save the Planet/Galaxy/Universe!  Tilly is missed by me because I kinda liked her and she was at least one more thing that wasn't The Michael Burnham Show.

[Dream Team]

I guess I’m still trying to figure out what 2024 has to do with Picard. Centuries before he was born. Hopeful about seeing a logical explanation but not expecting much.

[Adami]

So apparently SNW season 2 will feature Kirk.

Big eh from me.

[DoctorAction]

So apparently SNW season 2 will feature Kirk.

Big eh from me.

Hmm. Sounds risky.

[El Barto]

So apparently SNW season 2 will feature Kirk.

Big eh from me.

Hmm. Sounds risky.

Not sure how you mean that, but from a production standpoint there's no risk at all. No matter how badly they blunder the thing the same people will still tune in to see it. They can try all of the strange things they want because there's no downside, and if they manage to do Kirk right they might get a few more viewers.

[DoctorAction]

So apparently SNW season 2 will feature Kirk.

Big eh from me.

Hmm. Sounds risky.

Not sure how you mean that, but from a production standpoint there's no risk at all. No matter how badly they blunder the thing the same people will still tune in to see it. They can try all of the strange things they want because there's no downside, and if they manage to do Kirk right they might get a few more viewers.

Sure. Makes sense to me.

I just meant it from a "will it work?" perspective.

The new Trek has been "patchy", let's say. But the casting has not been the problem, imo. I love Chris Pine as Kirk, Urban as Bones, Saldana as Uhura, most of the cast of Discovery and Picard are great, too. Love Anson Mount as Pike. (I've come to agree with Adami when he says the writing is bad.)

So even though I think the casting has been good, recasting Kirk successfully twice sounds unlikely.

[Adami]

Picard episode 3 and the final episode of this season of discovery aired today.

Since I’m trying to avoid negative reviews, I’ll stop there.

[soupytwist]

Picard episode 3 and the final episode of this season of discovery aired today.

Since I’m trying to avoid negative reviews, I’ll stop there.

3rd episode of Picard wasn't great.  I only mentioned about Disco killing it's cast and now we had this.....I don't get it, unless he returns then that just makes it cheap.

I guess the finale of disco sucked?

[YtseJam]

Did anyone else notice how the walking dead began to really suck when Michael Burnham was there? Did anyone else notice how Star Trek began to really suck when Michael Burnham was there?

[DoctorAction]

Did anyone else notice how the walking dead began to really suck when Michael Burnham was there? Did anyone else notice how Star Trek began to really suck when Michael Burnham was there?

Arf. 

I don't think Sonequa Martin-Green has anything to do with the suckiness of either show tho, honestly.

[soupytwist]

Did anyone else notice how the walking dead began to really suck when Michael Burnham was there? Did anyone else notice how Star Trek began to really suck when Michael Burnham was there?

Yeah although to be fair Walking Dead also got even worse after she left!

[Adami]

Picard episode 3 and the final episode of this season of discovery aired today.

Since I’m trying to avoid negative reviews, I’ll stop there.

3rd episode of Picard wasn't great.  I only mentioned about Disco killing it's cast and now we had this.....I don't get it, unless he returns then that just makes it cheap.

I guess the finale of disco sucked?

Honestly this episode of Picard was so awful that Legolas's death didn't even phase me.


And it's not that finale sucked, it was basically two halves. The first half was just such typical explosions, tension, drama, everything is bad, blah blah blah,  with a HUGE advancement in tech that made no sense, and then the second half was mostly just a big happy ending that didn't really do much for me. I get that a lot of people equate happy to good, but I don't.

[gmillerdrake]

And it's not that finale sucked, it was basically two halves. The first half was just such typical explosions, tension, drama, everything is bad, blah blah blah,  with a HUGE advancement in tech that made no sense, and then the second half was mostly just a big happy ending that didn't really do much for me. I get that a lot of people equate happy to good, but I don't.

You're being nice. Adami. The finale was......bad. Boringly predictable and well.....it was just bad. I know I said I'd hold off on trashing the show because it's my own fault for continuing to watch but man that was just lame.

SPOILERS:

I mean....was anyone shocked that Booker 'miraculously' appeared? C'mon, if that show had any balls at all they leave him dead....but there wasn't one person watching who didn't know that the 10C would somehow bring him back. So dumb and lazy. Why not let the person who sabotaged your mission then lead/fly the most important flight humanity needed at the time....oh, and then let her survive crashing that ship into another one in space somehow....oh...and then celebrate her on earth after the fact? Speaking of earth.....let's really jump the shark and have a polarizing political figure who's only fame is legitimately losing an election then crying about it play Earth's president because it's more important to be 'woke' these days than tell a good story.

I'm going to try and promise myself NOT to watch the next season. It's not fair to those who do like the show....if there are any....to jump on here and continually trash it.

[Adami]

I thought that was her!

I wasn't 100% sure. And my fiancee was next to me and didn't seem to point it out, so I doubted it.

But yea, bringing her on as the president is a bit much.

Also, I agree with everything else you said Gary.

[soupytwist]

Was season 4 worse than 3?

[Adami]

Was season 4 worse than 3?

Similar? I honestly don't even remember a ton about season 3 but it feels pretty similar in quality for the most part. Though I do think that 3/4 of the second to last episode this season was pretty legit good, though not great.

[gmillerdrake]

Was season 4 worse than 3?

Similar? I honestly don't even remember a ton about season 3 but it feels pretty similar in quality for the most part. Though I do think that 3/4 of the second to last episode this season was pretty legit good, though not great.

Agreed. Which is why I had 'high hopes' for the finale and it just crapped the bed.

Was season 4 worse than 3?

Similar in the way that it's apparent all of about 15 minutes goes in to planning out the story and character arcs for the season and then another 5 minutes to write the scripts.

[YtseJam]

If you watch season 1 and then watch this hot garbage you'd be like WTF happened? I'm glad it ended that way because I have absolved myself as a fan of discovery in any way shape or form. The burn is the show, may it burn in hell.

[hefdaddy42]

I am so glad I never started Discovery.

[gmillerdrake]

I am so glad I never started Discovery.

Seasons 1 and 2 weren't all that 'bad'. They were tolerable and had promise. They had a much more grittier feel.....but man have S3 and S4 been comical as I'm sure you've gleaned from the conversation and comments.

[Adami]

I’d give season 2 a shot. I didn’t like season 1 at all the way most people did. But once it became about Pike instead, it got better.

Not fantastic, but had good elements.

[hefdaddy42]

I’d give season 2 a shot. I didn’t like season 1 at all the way most people did. But once it became about Pike instead, it got better.

Not fantastic, but had good elements.

Nah

But thanks

[Adami]

I’d give season 2 a shot. I didn’t like season 1 at all the way most people did. But once it became about Pike instead, it got better.

Not fantastic, but had good elements.

Nah

But thanks

 

I almost deleted my post right after posting it.

Good call on your part.

[soupytwist]

I like Picard but the most recent episode worries me.   

But with The Expanse ending what other Space Sci-Fi shows is anyone enjoying?  I watched Lost In Space to middle of Season 2 then gave up as it wasn't very engaging to say the least,  Another Life is probably one of the most boring shows ever, Avenue 5 was a massive letdown.  The Star Wars stuff is complete fluff and has a massive problem not wanting to moving away from it's legacy.  I guess we have The Orville coming back but with that being in production hell for a couple of years and pretty much the final season I'm not sure how strong it'll be (and it's a show that has a history of inconsistency).

Anything else?

[Dream Team]

Yes the most recent Picard episode plunged into the depths of least favorite trope, the "keystone cops" episode. Nobody can do anything right, people tripping over themselves. Juan Solo told to avoid doctors and cops at all costs and immediately runs into both. Shittiest writing you can imagine.

[DoctorAction]

I like Picard but the most recent episode worries me.   

But with The Expanse ending what other Space Sci-Fi shows is anyone enjoying?  I watched Lost In Space to middle of Season 2 then gave up as it wasn't very engaging to say the least,  Another Life is probably one of the most boring shows ever, Avenue 5 was a massive letdown.  The Star Wars stuff is complete fluff and has a massive problem not wanting to moving away from it's legacy.  I guess we have The Orville coming back but with that being in production hell for a couple of years and pretty much the final season I'm not sure how strong it'll be (and it's a show that has a history of inconsistency).

Anything else?

I've got nothing sci fi going on, or on the horizon. Not watching Picard S2 or Disco S4. Lost In Space was super dull so gave up on that quick. Dunno, man.

I have hope that Lower Decks will stay solid. Strange New Worlds might be alright? I doubt it at this point.

[Adami]

I'm also not really watching new sci-fi. I did enjoy Lost in Space for the most part, but I wasn't super invested, so I didn't care a ton how bad it was at times.

New sci-fi just doesn't appeal much to me. Seems more mystery/thriller/action set in the future or space, which I've never been super fond of.


I am, however, doing my big Star Trek re-watch, so I'm getting my fix currently on season 7 of TNG and season 2 of DS9.

[Orbert]

I believe TNG introduced the holodeck, and DS9 introduced the holosuite.  The "suite" part of it seemed appropriate because it was part of Quark's bar/casino, and I think it was understood that holodecks -- whether or not anyone admitted it -- were often used in a way that would add "/brothel" to Quark's establishment.  A "suite" sounds nicer, fancier, and somehow cleaner because this is Star Trek.  TV-PG.

The question is: What is the difference between a holodeck and a holosuite?

[El Barto]

I believe TNG introduced the holodeck, and DS9 introduced the holosuite.  The "suite" part of it seemed appropriate because it was part of Quark's bar/casino, and I think it was understood that holodecks -- whether or not anyone admitted it -- were often used in a way that would add "/brothel" to Quark's establishment.  A "suite" sounds nicer, fancier, and somehow cleaner because this is Star Trek.  TV-PG.

The question is: What is the difference between a holodeck and a holosuite?

Mostly what you typed. Also, the holosuite in Quark's was tiny. It looked pretty small when it was powered down. The holodeck on TNG was massive in comparison. Doesn't seem to make much difference in usage, though, as they had no problem putting a baseball field and 24 or so players in Quark's.

[YtseJam]

The question is: What is the difference between a holodeck and a holosuite?

The pimp 

[Adami]

I am actually really shocked at how bad the new Picard episode was. I think it's the first time I was truly in awe of it rather than just let down.

[gmillerdrake]

I am actually really shocked at how bad the new Picard episode was. I think it's the first time I was truly in awe of it rather than just let down.

Haven't watched yet but I think I need to read more about the condition that EB spoke of a few pages back where one is compelled to continue to watch these sub par shows by a force greater than if the show were really good and wanting to keep watching. I'm clearly suffering from that condition with Picard and Discovery.....and a bit with The Walking Dead (although it's been better the last year or so)

[Adami]

Honestly, after that episode I might really quit. Which is a real shame. We’ll see.

[Orbert]

I have trouble dropping something if I've invested time or energy into it.  I watched TNG for seven seasons.  I know the characters and like most of them.  So if there are more stories about them, I want to check them out.  I keep watching, even if I'm shaking my head half the time.

Mrs. Orbert doesn't have this issue.  She won't keep watching a show once she's decided that she's not enjoying it anymore.  She dropped out of Picard after three or four episodes.  I keep hoping it will get better.  I made the mistake of dropping DS9 during the first season because it just didn't seem very interesting.  I'm halfway through the final season now, and it's easily the best Star Trek of all.  So I keep watching both Picard and Discovery, even though I think they're both pretty bad, because if they somehow find their stride and start getting better, I want to be there.  Yeah, right.

[lonestar]

Honestly, after that episode I might really quit. Which is a real shame. We’ll see.

Just admit it, you're a masochist. Any sensible person would've quit after Discovery S2 if they hated it as much as you do.