Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[King Postwhore]

Your take on 6 Adami?

[Adami]

Your take on 6 Adami?

Love it. Fantastic movie.

I like more of the movies than is generally agreed upon. I mostly enjoy TMP even though it's obviously the weakest of the bunch. I love 2, 4, and 6 (just sticking to TOS movies) and really enjoys 3 and mostly enjoy 5. First contact is great, though I wish it weren't seen as the blue print for how to handle all future Trek. It was good for what it was, but didn't need to expand in tone beyond that movie. I liked Generations for the most part. I liked Insurrection and really couldn't get into Nemesis. And I didn't like any of the JJ movies, even the first one, though it wasn't awful.

[King Postwhore]

I always disliked #1.  Like you said, 2, 4 & 6 are excellent. 5 is 2nd to last for the original crew.  3 is excellent.

Generations is a stepping stone for me. It's likable.

TNG movies go by order for me. 

The Abrams series I like. 1,3,2 for me.

[King Postwhore]

[jammindude]

As I’ve gotten older, I’m always surprised at how well TMP has aged for me. It’s just that the pacing of the movie is a lot more like earlier classic sci-fi films like The Andromeda Strain or Planet of the Apes.  Once you get into that head space, it’s actually an excellent film.

To tell you the truth, I’ve just grown to appreciate the slower pace of the older “pre-Star Wars” films across the board. It was about 20 years ago that I began to realize that SW was not only a game changer in the SFX department, but it was the first movie that “machine gunned” the plot at you. There’s hardly a breathable moment in the film (maybe the brief scene with Obi Wan talking to Luke on Tatooine).  Don’t get me wrong, I still love SW, but it seems like most action and sci-fi films from that day forward are edited by Freddy Krueger with ADD on a sugar high.  Going back to when movies just slowed down and let things develop seems very refreshing.

[Adami]

Jammin, my dude, I ask this as I finish the 3rd episode of Lower Decks.....how can you complain that modern sci fi is too ADHD but love Lower Decks?!?!


Anyway, this is an odd show. It is, to me, at its heart an actual Star Trek show. In that it's about characters dealing with problems/situations through creative solutions. It's not about an evil villain or the world/galaxy/whatever about to be destroyed.

But it's soooooo hard to watch. Though I admit, at the end of the 3rd episode when in future they refer to Miles as the most important member of Star Fleet, I had a big smile on my face.

[soupytwist]

As I’ve gotten older, I’m always surprised at how well TMP has aged for me. It’s just that the pacing of the movie is a lot more like earlier classic sci-fi films like The Andromeda Strain or Planet of the Apes.  Once you get into that head space, it’s actually an excellent film.

To tell you the truth, I’ve just grown to appreciate the slower pace of the older “pre-Star Wars” films across the board. It was about 20 years ago that I began to realize that SW was not only a game changer in the SFX department, but it was the first movie that “machine gunned” the plot at you. There’s hardly a breathable moment in the film (maybe the brief scene with Obi Wan talking to Luke on Tatooine).  Don’t get me wrong, I still love SW, but it seems like most action and sci-fi films from that day forward are edited by Freddy Krueger with ADD on a sugar high.  Going back to when movies just slowed down and let things develop seems very refreshing.

To be fair TV shows have taken this role.

[DoctorAction]

Fantastic 

[Cool Chris]

As I’ve gotten older, I’m always surprised at how well TMP has aged for me. It’s just that the pacing of the movie is a lot more like earlier classic sci-fi films like The Andromeda Strain or Planet of the Apes.  Once you get into that head space, it’s actually an excellent film.

To tell you the truth, I’ve just grown to appreciate the slower pace of the older “pre-Star Wars” films across the board. It was about 20 years ago that I began to realize that SW was not only a game changer in the SFX department, but it was the first movie that “machine gunned” the plot at you. There’s hardly a breathable moment in the film (maybe the brief scene with Obi Wan talking to Luke on Tatooine).  Don’t get me wrong, I still love SW, but it seems like most action and sci-fi films from that day forward are edited by Freddy Krueger with ADD on a sugar high.  Going back to when movies just slowed down and let things develop seems very refreshing.

I read a comment somewhere recently that in Phantom Menace, there is a ton of stuff going on in the last 30 minutes of the film, which by late 90s standards, may be true, but by the standards of the last 30 minutes of Rise of Skywalker in the mid 2010s, it looks like a high school photography project.

I am in general agreement with the second paragraph. However, ST:TMP is an awful movie. 

[jammindude]

Jammin, my dude, I ask this as I finish the 3rd episode of Lower Decks.....how can you complain that modern sci fi is too ADHD but love Lower Decks?!?!


Anyway, this is an odd show. It is, to me, at its heart an actual Star Trek show. In that it's about characters dealing with problems/situations through creative solutions. It's not about an evil villain or the world/galaxy/whatever about to be destroyed.

But it's soooooo hard to watch. Though I admit, at the end of the 3rd episode when in future they refer to Miles as the most important member of Star Fleet, I had a big smile on my face.

Ok, that first line got a very literal LOL.

I guess it’s just because my expectations are completely different between a 1/2 hour cartoon and a 2 1/2 hour piece of cinema.   Even as I go back to older movies that I found “boring” in my youth, I’m starting to pick out more of the “spectacle” of it all.  I mean, when I was 16 and super into thrash metal, the first 2 (maybe 4) minutes of Shine On You Crazy Diamond seemed like a complete waste of time. Now that I’m 53, I would consider editing even a single second to be heresy.  Go figure.

I don’t see how anyone can love Futurama and NOT love Lower Decks.

[Dream Team]

  That photo of Bakula living his best life reminds me of how Sandler always gets actresses 8 or 9 leagues above him to play his girlfriend/wife.

[soupytwist]

I don’t see how anyone can love Futurama and NOT love Lower Decks.

Futurama in it's first run has a much higher hit rate with the funny, even the comedy central second run is overall funnier.

[hefdaddy42]

I don’t see how anyone can love Futurama and NOT love Lower Decks.

Why not?  One is an original comedic cartoon, and the other is purportedly Star Trek.  Two different things.

[DoctorAction]

I don’t see how anyone can love Futurama and NOT love Lower Decks.

Why not?  One is an original comedic cartoon, and the other is purportedly Star Trek.  Two different things.

Not liking it doesn't stop it being Star Trek.

[hefdaddy42]

I don’t see how anyone can love Futurama and NOT love Lower Decks.

Why not?  One is an original comedic cartoon, and the other is purportedly Star Trek.  Two different things.

Not liking it doesn't stop it being Star Trek.

You're right about that. 

[El Barto]

I like V more than most, too.  A lot of people hate on it, but I truly don't get it.  They weren't on a "mission to find God"; Kirk quite clearly didn't think it was God and asked him why God would need a starship.  Laurence Luckinbill as Sybok was great.  "What would you be willing to do if someone could take away your life's greatest pain or regret?" I thought was an interesting question to explore.  I even liked the campfire scenes and "Row, Row, Row Your Boat".  Spock gets it!  He can sing!

I watched it not too terribly long ago. It's not terrible, but there were things that just didn't work. Sybock could have been anybody, but making him Spock's brother just didn't make much sense. And his method of controlling people was silly. He could have twirled a spiral coin in front of them and it would have made more sense. Taking away my greatest regret isn't going to turn me into someone's willing thrall.  The ending honestly didn't bother me, though, because as you said, Kirk knew all along. Making Spock the Klingon weapons officer was dumb, though. Overall it's clearly the weakest of the lot, but it's not awful.

[Orbert]

Good points.  I guess I tend to enjoy the stuff I like about something, and try not to let the dumb stuff bother me too much. Yeah, there were some dumb things about it, too.

[Cool Chris]

ST:V has some good scenes, but the sum of those scenes is definitely greater than the film as a whole.

[soupytwist]

ST:V has some good scenes, but the sum of those scenes is definitely greater than the film as a whole.

5 > 4.

[DoctorAction]

ST:V has some good scenes, but the sum of those scenes is definitely greater than the film as a whole.

5 > 4.

Very much.

[Adami]

No.

[Dream Team]

Yeah that's definitely a hot take. Care to elaborate?

[Adami]

Finally on the 2nd half of the 1st season of Lower Decks. Not easy.


I really wish modern Star Trek was....less about Star Trek.

[soupytwist]

Yeah that's definitely a hot take. Care to elaborate?

4 is just a typical bad 80's fish outta water (literally) comedy, it's also dated the worst of all the films.

[DoctorAction]

STIV:TVH is Trek gone too cosy, smirky 80's family comedy for my taste. Not a genre I have a problem with, but not what I wanted from Trek.

I have a bunch more peevs with it. That's no tension, they're not in outer space, not in the future, there's no Enterprise, Spock is not quite Spock yet, there's no baddie, the whales plot bores me, the whale scientist is annoying.

Other than that, I love it. 😉 The TOS cast chemistry is on great form but as whole it's not for me.

[jammindude]

There’s an old Vulcan proverb that says:

Ask men what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say Wrath of Khan.

Ask women what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say “THE ONE WITH THE WHALES!!!”

 

[Zydar]

There’s an old Vulcan proverb that says:

Ask men what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say Wrath of Khan.

Ask women what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say “THE ONE WITH THE WHALES!!!”

 

I haven't seen that one yet, I'm planning to watch it this weekend.

[DoctorAction]

There’s an old Vulcan proverb that says:

Ask men what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say Wrath of Khan.

Ask women what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say “THE ONE WITH THE WHALES!!!”

 

Hrrmph. My lady says, "The one with Karl Urban in!" 

[Cool Chris]

STIV:TVH is Trek gone too cosy, smirky 80's family comedy for my taste. Not a genre I have a problem with, but not what I wanted from Trek.

I have a bunch more peevs with it. That's no tension, they're not in outer space, not in the future, there's no Enterprise, Spock is not quite Spock yet, there's no baddie, the whales plot bores me, the whale scientist is annoying.

After II and III they were going for something lighter in spirit and tone. And while I don't want to challenge your assessment, plenty of good TOS episodes were not focused on the Enterprise, outer space, or a Baddie. If the lack of tension ruins it for you or you found the plot boring, that is a fair criticism. 

[DoctorAction]

STIV:TVH is Trek gone too cosy, smirky 80's family comedy for my taste. Not a genre I have a problem with, but not what I wanted from Trek.

I have a bunch more peevs with it. That's no tension, they're not in outer space, not in the future, there's no Enterprise, Spock is not quite Spock yet, there's no baddie, the whales plot bores me, the whale scientist is annoying.

After II and III they were going for something lighter in spirit and tone. And while I don't want to challenge your assessment, plenty of good TOS episodes were not focused on the Enterprise, outer space, or a Baddie. If the lack of tension ruins it for you or you found the plot boring, that is a fair criticism.

I don't have any thoughts about fair criticism, just what I don't like about it. I'm not saying it's a piece of crap just not one of my faves.

[Zydar]

There’s an old Vulcan proverb that says:

Ask men what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say Wrath of Khan.

Ask women what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say “THE ONE WITH THE WHALES!!!”

 

I haven't seen that one yet, I'm planning to watch it this weekend.

Okay I watched The Voyage Home on Saturday. It was a pretty good movie, leaning a bit more on the humour side of things this time. Wrath Of Khan is still my favourite though.

Which TNG movies do you recommend? I'm going through the TNG series now.

[soupytwist]

There’s an old Vulcan proverb that says:

Ask men what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say Wrath of Khan.

Ask women what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say “THE ONE WITH THE WHALES!!!”

 

I haven't seen that one yet, I'm planning to watch it this weekend.

Okay I watched The Voyage Home on Saturday. It was a pretty good movie, leaning a bit more on the humour side of things this time. Wrath Of Khan is still my favourite though.

Which TNG movies do you recommend? I'm going through the TNG series now.

First Contact is far and away the best TNG film.

[Polarbear]

There’s an old Vulcan proverb that says:

Ask men what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say Wrath of Khan.

Ask women what their favorite Star Trek film is, and they’ll say “THE ONE WITH THE WHALES!!!”

 

I haven't seen that one yet, I'm planning to watch it this weekend.

Okay I watched The Voyage Home on Saturday. It was a pretty good movie, leaning a bit more on the humour side of things this time. Wrath Of Khan is still my favourite though.

Which TNG movies do you recommend? I'm going through the TNG series now.

TNG movies are nowhere near the quality of the series sadly IMO. But, I'd say Generations because a lot of story development happens concerning the later movies. It's mediocre at best otherwise. Also First Contact, because it's the best of the bunch IMO.

Insurrection and Nemesis are forgettable and horrible respectively. But if you are planning to watch Picard series at some point, you should at least check the story synopsis for Nemesis, because Picard leans into the story of Nemesis quite heavily.

[jammindude]

I’m completely in the minority, but Insurrection is absolutely my favorite TNG movie.

Most people hate it for the same reason I love it. It feels like a really fantastic two-part TV episode that was made into a film.

[hefdaddy42]

I’m completely in the minority, but Insurrection is absolutely my favorite TNG movie.

Most people hate it for the same reason I love it. It feels like a really fantastic two-part TV episode that was made into a film.

Well, it feels like a mediocre two part episode that was made into a bad film.