Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[Adami]

New trailer for SNW 2.  Was dreading the Lower Decks crossover - but pleased to see they aren't using animation.

Yea, the trailer didn't do much for me. Not necessarily cause of the show, but the trailer was just so all over the place.

And now I feel a need to watch all of Lower Decks so I'm not in the dark. God dammit.

[soupytwist]

New trailer for SNW 2.  Was dreading the Lower Decks crossover - but pleased to see they aren't using animation.

Yea, the trailer didn't do much for me. Not necessarily cause of the show, but the trailer was just so all over the place.

And now I feel a need to watch all of Lower Decks so I'm not in the dark. God dammit.

Yeah the trailer was standard exciting stuff happens with the odd moment of humour.  Only thing I really took from it (aside from the not animated) was it looks like we will get more Kirk.

[Dream Team]

Not necessarily a good thing imo - that guy does not scream "Kirk" to me.

[soupytwist]

Not necessarily a good thing imo - that guy does not scream "Kirk" to me.

He wasn't awful an actor, but I wasn't sold on his portrayal in the little we saw in Season 1.  Pine pretty much nailed a modern Kirk so it was always going to be a tough act to follow.

[Orbert]

I tried to watch Lower Decks, and got a good half dozen or so episodes in, but the frenetic nature of it was really offputting for me.  It felt hard to take seriously if the show wasn't taking itself seriously.  So I wasn't exactly dreading the crossover, but it wasn't doing anything for me.  But apparently they've had characters cross over from other Star Trek series, so it makes some sense to have the Lower Decks characters be live action on the live action show.  So now I'm kinda looking forward to it, although I'm not sure if it'll get me to give Lower Decks another shot.

[soupytwist]

I tried to watch Lower Decks, and got a good half dozen or so episodes in, but the frenetic nature of it was really offputting for me.  It felt hard to take seriously if the show wasn't taking itself seriously.  So I wasn't exactly dreading the crossover, but it wasn't doing anything for me.  But apparently they've had characters cross over from other Star Trek series, so it makes some sense to have the Lower Decks characters be live action on the live action show.  So now I'm kinda looking forward to it, although I'm not sure if it'll get me to give Lower Decks another shot.

I find it really hard to class Lower Decks as Canon.  Not just because it's animated, but because the tone (and the physics of the world) are completely different.  I mean I love a good wacky animated show, but it doesn't fit Trek for me - also even taking the Trek out of it, it's still not very good, or funny.

[Orbert]

That's pretty much where I landed as well.  Sure, there were the uniforms and occasional reference to something canonical, but the tone just didn't work for me and I was only so-so on the characters.  It didn't "feel" like Star Trek to me.

[Adami]

I tried to watch Lower Decks, and got a good half dozen or so episodes in, but the frenetic nature of it was really offputting for me.  It felt hard to take seriously if the show wasn't taking itself seriously.  So I wasn't exactly dreading the crossover, but it wasn't doing anything for me.  But apparently they've had characters cross over from other Star Trek series, so it makes some sense to have the Lower Decks characters be live action on the live action show.  So now I'm kinda looking forward to it, although I'm not sure if it'll get me to give Lower Decks another shot.

I find it really hard to class Lower Decks as Canon.  Not just because it's animated, but because the tone (and the physics of the world) are completely different.  I mean I love a good wacky animated show, but it doesn't fit Trek for me - also even taking the Trek out of it, it's still not very good, or funny.

GATEKEEPER!

[jammindude]

I absolutely LOVE Lower Decks. That and SNW saved Star Trek for me. I was about to give up entirely before those two shows came along.

[Orbert]

I completely on board with Strange New Worlds.  That show "saved" Star Trek for me, by bringing back the exploration, the characterization, and the episodic nature (which I think I'll always prefer to the contemporary trend of an entire season of a show being essentially one long story).  Lower Decks just didn't work for me.

[soupytwist]

I am Vinz, Vinz Clortho, Keymaster of Gozer. Volguus Zildrohar, Lord of the Sebouillia. Are you the GATEKEEPER!?

Yup.


woof.

[XJDenton]

I like lower decks. Tonally, its the anti-DS9, and I think that's fine. For me, it still feels like Trek in regards to some of the stuff it explores, the cultures it presents and such like.

[DoctorAction]

I absolutely LOVE Lower Decks. That and SNW saved Star Trek for me. I was about to give up entirely before those two shows came along.

I'm the same. Initially rejected LD, until a mate said it was his favourite new Trek. Went back to it and have loved it.

[Adami]

I saw the first episode a year or so ago and didn't love it.

But if I can watch all 3 seasons of Picard (eventually) then LD should be a piece of pie.

[Orbert]

I get what you're saying, but for me it's not necessarily a valid comparison.  I spent many years watching the TNG crew and getting to know them, and even if the writing was bad, I was interested to see -- canonically -- where they are now and what they're up to.  And Season Three was full-on TNG fan service, so what the heck.

LD managed to make me care a little bit about Mariner and Boimler, but I guess not enough to put up with everything else on screen to get to the part I cared about.  Obviously mileage varies even amongst the most hard-core Trek fans (which I'm not, but I guess I'm more serious than the average fan).

[Adami]

Totally fair.

Rewatched the first episode. Yea, not good at all. At least it was about a problem to solve and not a huge bad villain, so that's a plus. But yea, it was so frenetic, rapid, hyper, and essentially a list of references at times that it was hard to care.

I'll try to power through.


And my statement about Picard really was more about seasons 1 and 2. While I didn't love season 3 as much as everyone else, it was easy enough to watch.

[soupytwist]

Totally fair.

Rewatched the first episode. Yea, not good at all. At least it was about a problem to solve and not a huge bad villain, so that's a plus. But yea, it was so frenetic, rapid, hyper, and essentially a list of references at times that it was hard to care.

I'll try to power through.


And my statement about Picard really was more about seasons 1 and 2. While I didn't love season 3 as much as everyone else, it was easy enough to watch.

If you think the member berries are to much in Picard you'll really struggle with LD.

I watched the first two seasons and will at some point watch season 3 - a few episodes are solid enough in a sub Futurama way, but a lot of it is just annoying, Mariner in particular is a Neelix level character in terms of just grating.

[Dream Team]

I absolutely LOVE Lower Decks. That and SNW saved Star Trek for me. I was about to give up entirely before those two shows came along.

I'm the same. Initially rejected LD, until a mate said it was his favourite new Trek. Went back to it and have loved it.

LD gets better. I really like most of the characters EXCEPT Mariner; cannot stand her.

[hefdaddy42]

I have zero interest in watching Lower Decks.

[abydos]

I have zero interest in watching Lower Decks.

I guess your interest is... lower than the decks.

[Adami]

On the second episode and it’s really trying my patience. This isn’t like Picard. Which was terrible writing of a decent premise. This is an annoying show being the best version of itself. Thus very annoying.

If I don’t finish it, is anyone able to explain how a show set in or after TNG is able to cross over with Pike and such?

[soupytwist]

If I don’t finish it, is anyone able to explain how a show set in or after TNG is able to cross over with Pike and such?

Timey Wimey stuff.

[Zydar]

As a Star Trek noob I just started watching TNG, it seems like the best place to start. I did some research and saw that pretty much everyone ranked season 1-2 as the worst ones, so I jumped straight into season 3. I've only seen two episodes so far but I really like it. Did I do right in skipping the first two seasons? Did I miss something vital to the overall plot?

[soupytwist]

As a Star Trek noob I just started watching TNG, it seems like the best place to start. I did some research and saw that pretty much everyone ranked season 1-2 as the worst ones, so I jumped straight into season 3. I've only seen two episodes so far but I really like it. Did I do right in skipping the first two seasons? Did I miss something vital to the overall plot?

You'd probably get something out of the first episode 'Encounter at Farpoint' as it'll introduce you to the crew and Q.  After that I'd say these episodes are worth a look because they either introduce something or are actually decent episodes.

Season 1.
- Encounter at Farpoint.
- Datalore.
- 11001001
- Skin of Evil
- Conspirancy.

Season 2.
- Elementary, Dear Data.
- A Matter of Honor.
- The Measure of Man
- Time Squared
- Q Who.
- Peak Performance.

[Zydar]

Thanks, I'll check them out before I continue with season 3 then

[El Barto]

As a Star Trek noob I just started watching TNG, it seems like the best place to start. I did some research and saw that pretty much everyone ranked season 1-2 as the worst ones, so I jumped straight into season 3. I've only seen two episodes so far but I really like it. Did I do right in skipping the first two seasons? Did I miss something vital to the overall plot?

If you're going to commit to watching ST, you should probably go all in. In for an ore, in for a krona, or something like that. I mean, are you interested in watching 125 episodes, but not 175?

Also, while Soupy's list is solid enough, what I've found is that when I made a recommended viewing guide for somebody his interests were pretty much completely different than my own.  A lot of the first two seasons blew, but that doesn't mean you won't find things you like about them.

[Adami]

If you're not a completionist, it might be easier to list episodes to skip since even the meh ones are still fun and stuff.

I'd just skip over Code of Honor, The Last Outpost, Justice, Angel One, Up the Long Latter, and Shades of Grey.

I'd say the rest, while not all great, all have some value.

[jammindude]

If you're not a completionist, it might be easier to list episodes to skip since even the meh ones are still fun and stuff.

I'd just skip over Code of Honor, The Last Outpost, Justice, Angel One, Up the Long Latter, and Shades of Grey.

I'd say the rest, while not all great, all have some value.

NO VACCINE!!!

[Zydar]

My trekking continues. I just watched The Wrath Of Khan and The Search For Spock back-to-back. Both great movies, I slightly preferred Khan though.

[King Postwhore]

Khan is regarded at the best Star Trek movie.  The running joke with fans is the even numbered movies are better.  I do love The Search for Spock.

[Orbert]

The Wrath of Khan, The Search for Spock, and The Voyage Home (II-III-IV) form one continuous story, with III and IV each picking up right from the end of the previous movie.  Yeah, most people know that.  But together, I think they're about the epitome of TOS Trek.  We get adventure, fun, serious character work and development, and pretty good storytelling, all with cinematic production values.

[jammindude]

I feel VI is the equal of those 3. Probably better than III and IV IMO.

[DoctorAction]

I feel VI is the equal of those 3. Probably better than III and IV IMO.

I never liked 3 or 4 too much. I liked 5 and 6 more. Everyone hates 5 but I like the premise and the preposterous over-acting in places. 

[Orbert]

I like V more than most, too.  A lot of people hate on it, but I truly don't get it.  They weren't on a "mission to find God"; Kirk quite clearly didn't think it was God and asked him why God would need a starship.  Laurence Luckinbill as Sybok was great.  "What would you be willing to do if someone could take away your life's greatest pain or regret?" I thought was an interesting question to explore.  I even liked the campfire scenes and "Row, Row, Row Your Boat".  Spock gets it!  He can sing!

[Adami]

V isn’t bad actually. Until the end. The end is awful.