Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[Adami]

Good episode, but I'm really tired of the fact that, in this season that is supposed to be a celebration of TNG, the main character is Jack.

Fuck that guy already.

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!



Also, is it just me or does it feel like after the first episode or two, Picard himself is largely a background character? Like I'm not even sure what he's doing anymore other than reacting to things.

[soupytwist]

Good episode, but I'm really tired of the fact that, in this season that is supposed to be a celebration of TNG, the main character is Jack.

Fuck that guy already.

Would you rather it was his (half) brother instead !

[Adami]

Good episode, but I'm really tired of the fact that, in this season that is supposed to be a celebration of TNG, the main character is Jack.

Fuck that guy already.

Would you rather it was his (half) brother instead !

I think he'd rather it be Picard or people from Star Trek that we're invested in.


But how cool of Beverly to basically have two gods as children. Those are some impressive eggs. Especially considering she was like 50 something when she had Jack.

[ReaperKK]

I guess you could say she is crushing in the child department...

[ZirconBlue]

Good episode, but I'm really tired of the fact that, in this season that is supposed to be a celebration of TNG, the main character is Jack.

Fuck that guy already.

Jack's not the main character, he's the McGuffin.  The plot revolves around him, but most of the actual actions taken are by the other characters.

[Samsara]

Not gonna comment on today's episode yet.

But...

FUCKIN' SOLIDS.

 

[Adami]

Not gonna comment on today's episode yet.

But...

FUCKIN' SOLIDS.

 

I am very not into using that language in Star Trek and even I chuckled at that line.

[Dream Team]

They gave Worf some of the best lines. He stole some scenes. And Spiner’s still got his fastball.

[soupytwist]

Depict the role being difficult to win the audience over with, I still like Jack - a lot of that is to do with the actor though, think he's doing a great job.

As for the episode itself - another good one.  Things are now set up for the endgame, let's hope it nails the landing.

[Samsara]

Not gonna comment on today's episode yet.

But...

FUCKIN' SOLIDS.

 

I am very not into using that language in Star Trek and even I chuckled at that line.

I'm not either! I cringe every time. But on that one, I couldn't stop laughing! 

[Orbert]

Yeah, F-bombs rarely work for me because they're usually just sprinkled into the dialogue to make it edgy or something, but her delivery was perfect.  And I hated her character pretty much the entire time she was on screen (and most of the time she wasn't).

[King Postwhore]

Not to take it off topic but a great f bomb was in A Fish Called Wanda.  When Otto is driving and trying to say he's sorry. I die laughing every time.

[soupytwist]

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!

Neelix.

[hefdaddy42]

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!

Neelix.

NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adami]

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!

Neelix.

HAH!


I'll make a bet it's something dumb like the Pah-wraiths.

I can't imagine they'll make it something original, not when they can link it to some member berry from Star Trek past.

[King Postwhore]

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!

Neelix.

HAH!


I'll make a bet it's something dumb like the Pah-wraiths.

I can't imagine they'll make it something original, not when they can link it to some member berry from Star Trek past.

https://youtu.be/SpPgavT5am4

[DoctorAction]

Yeah, F-bombs rarely work for me because they're usually just sprinkled into the dialogue to make it edgy or something, but her delivery was perfect.  And I hated her character pretty much the entire time she was on screen (and most of the time she wasn't).

I almost never think this, myself. Depends what your personal attitude to swearing is, possibly.

To quote comedian Frankie Boyle: "In Scotland, the word "fucking" is just a warning that a noun is on it's way"

[Adami]

Yeah, F-bombs rarely work for me because they're usually just sprinkled into the dialogue to make it edgy or something, but her delivery was perfect.  And I hated her character pretty much the entire time she was on screen (and most of the time she wasn't).

I almost never think this, myself. Depends what your personal attitude to swearing is, possibly.

To quote comedian Frankie Boyle: "In Scotland, the word "fucking" is just a warning that a noun is on it's way"

Depends on the context. I never mind cursing in most things, but it's weird in Star Trek.

[soupytwist]

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!

Neelix.

HAH!


I'll make a bet it's something dumb like the Pah-wraiths.

I can't imagine they'll make it something original, not when they can link it to some member berry from Star Trek past.

If I had to make a bet I'd go with something relating back to Locutus.  And you are right it won't be anything new.

The swearing doesn't bother me, I'd rather they use proper swear words than 'Frak' which I always found unintentionally hilarious.  Unless it's actually played for laughs like "Oh, smeg. What the smegging smeg's he smegging done? He's smegging killed me.!"  just swear proper!

[DoctorAction]

It's bound to be something Borg-y. It's always the bloody Borg.

This callback stuff works really well when it's really occasional (like in DS9 with Worf then tribbles) but is quite dull when the main entertainment facet of everything in the show is that it's "something we did before and you liked it so here it is again".

[jammindude]

Re: swearing

I always appreciated Firefly’s approach of just doing all the swearing in Chinese. 

[Dream Team]

Right. Why would changelings curse in Terran?

[Adami]

Right. Why would changelings curse in Terran?

And why do changelings look like the Ad Infnitum during their first two albums?

It’s all dumb.

[Samsara]

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!

Neelix.

HAH!


I'll make a bet it's something dumb like the Pah-wraiths.

I can't imagine they'll make it something original, not when they can link it to some member berry from Star Trek past.

This isn't far-fetched at all. Given the connection with changelings, I was wondering if it would be the Pah-wraiths...or...perhaps a doorway to the Prophets and the return of Sisko?

Who knows. Enjoying Season 3, but I still can't help but feel like Deep Space Nine got the shaft. Which sucks. 

[soupytwist]

BUT WHAT IS BEHIND THE RED DOOR?!??!?!?!

Neelix.

HAH!


I'll make a bet it's something dumb like the Pah-wraiths.

I can't imagine they'll make it something original, not when they can link it to some member berry from Star Trek past.

This isn't far-fetched at all. Given the connection with changelings, I was wondering if it would be the Pah-wraiths...or...perhaps a doorway to the Prophets and the return of Sisko?

Who knows. Enjoying Season 3, but I still can't help but feel like Deep Space Nine got the shaft. Which sucks. 

Yeah.  It's always been the outside show of that period, generally different (and better) writers and who moved away from the standard Braga/Berman formula.  I read somewhere there is a rumour that a Voyager revival is in the pipeline, really?

[Adami]

I haven't heard anything about a voyager revival.

Best I can tell there's going to be a Starfleet Cadet or whatever show, and the current Picard dude wants to do a "legacy" show but it has not gotten a go yet and there's no details on it.

Although, if you keep pressing the matter, they might throw you a bone and do a 10 episode Neelix spin off which will be even darker and grittier than Picard.

[soupytwist]

I haven't heard anything about a voyager revival.

Very much rumours when I looked into it more..
https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2023/04/07/rumor-star-trek-voyager-revival-in-development/

[soupytwist]

Although, if you keep pressing the matter, they might throw you a bone and do a 10 episode Neelix spin off which will be even darker and grittier than Picard.

Everyones least favorite jealous sexual predator Neelix is back in more grooming storylines!  Lock up your Ocampa's.

[Adami]

Although, if you keep pressing the matter, they might throw you a bone and do a 10 episode Neelix spin off which will be even darker and grittier than Picard.

Everyones least favorite jealous sexual predator Neelix is back in more grooming storylines!  Lock up your Ocampa's.

Hey, if falling in love with and grooming a two year old is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

[Samsara]

Apparently Cirroc Lofton is hosting The Sisko Day on May 22. Celebrating Avery Brooks/Benjamin Sisko.

The trailer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCUcSMHASFc (music is awesome)

Then the announcement itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2747Nbf1mX0

Any tip of the cap to Avery Brooks is cool. Not sanctioned by Paramount it seems, but in some ways, having Cirroc do it, just seems right. Curious to see if it brings Avery out of the shadows. Would love for him to at least acknowledge the impact his character had.

[DoctorAction]

Although, if you keep pressing the matter, they might throw you a bone and do a 10 episode Neelix spin off which will be even darker and grittier than Picard.

Everyones least favorite jealous sexual predator Neelix is back in more grooming storylines!  Lock up your Ocampa's.

Hey, if falling in love with and grooming a two year old is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

 

[Adami]

So I'm pretty torn on this last episode.

I'm pretty confident that it will get rave reviews, mostly because the last 5 minutes is a nostalgia orgasm.

But yes, this show is made up of 3 elements. 1) A terrible storyline/plot, 2) Legit great character moments, 3) Nostalgia.

This episode was 80% number 1, 5% number 2 and 15% number 3. What was behind the door? Well it was already predicted by someone else in this thread and it was soooooo dumb.

Honestly, the idea behind it was interesting, but it was executed in such a quick way, lacking thought or consideration. So it didn't work for me in this context. The new cameo was meh and not very meaningful at all. Even Tuvok was a better cameo. Ah well.

I counted 1 really good character moment between Picard and Data and that's about it. And of course the nostalgia that ended the episode. It was so predictable. So telegraphed. So obvious. So cheap. I'm angry at myself for letting it work. Yea, I had the feels, even though I recognized how lazy it all was. I can't defend it at all, but it had some impact on me.

But overall, a very disappointing episode, the flaws of which will likely be overlooked because of how the last 5 minutes make people feel.

Edit: I'm actually curious just how much nostalgia they're going to cram into the last episode.

[soupytwist]

What was behind the door? Well it was already predicted by someone else in this thread and it was soooooo dumb.

Please don't tell me it was Neelix!

[Adami]

What was behind the door? Well it was already predicted by someone else in this thread and it was soooooo dumb.

Please don't tell me it was Neelix!

Better. It was Tuvix!

[hefdaddy42]

I'm actually curious just how much nostalgia they're going to cram into the last episode.

I'm not sure how much is left.

I just finished the episode.  I didn't react as negatively to it as you did (surprise!).  The last 5 minutes actually made me misty.