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Started by Nick, September 14, 2016, 10:28:53 AM

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Adami

So new episode of Picard......ain't bad.

I still hate what Star Trek has become. Everything is SO damn dark, no one can be trusted, the federation is evil, everything's a conspiracy, the entire plot is a stack of mystery boxes, endless nastalgia, etc.

That said, given that, this episode wasn't too bad. I actually was surprised by the cameo and think it was (eventually) handled really well.
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PetFish

Picard Season 3 is amazing.

In the latest episode the tension on the holodeck between... and the decision by... and the gift from........... If you know,  you know.  I had a good little cry.  Wow.

Beverly has been outstanding and I love Captain Shaw.

soupytwist

That's 3 great episodes in a Ro.

Kind off reverse season 2, which started well but fell off a cliff.  This season started iffy but has really found it's groove (for now  ;D)

jingle.boy

Agreed.  At first I thought the cameo was just another unnecessary call-back to TNG / fan service moment, but then it was clear there was an actual purpose to it.  Though, I don't recall her/Picard having as meaningful a relationship as this episode demonstrates.  Still, great episode - even if I also agree with Adami's beefs.
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ReaperKK

I'm kind of bummed this was the show we got from season 1. I've been looking to new episodes every week which is not something I've been able to say for a long time.

Polarbear

Another good episode IMO!

This isn't the best Trek ever by any stretch, but still a huge improvement over the previous 2 seasons. I was thinking that, so far this feels like a TNG movie told over 10 episodes. It's not hard to see that, with some changes, this story could have worked as the Fifth TNG movie.

Of course, we don't yet know how this ends. The ending could suck ass, but let's hope not. :lol But that is the vibe I'm getting so far.

Oh, and "Spoiler" cameo was handled well.

YtseJam

Did Ro get a Bajoran nose job?

soupytwist

#4312
Captain Shaw spinoff please.  Although I suspect he'll be killed off soon.

With this season and Strange New Worlds they do seem to have found a winning formula, what are the chance Disco goes out on a high?

Logain Ablar

Quote from: Polarbear on March 18, 2023, 12:31:52 PM
This isn't the best Trek ever by any stretch, but still a huge improvement over the previous 2 seasons. I was thinking that, so far this feels like a TNG movie told over 10 episodes. It's not hard to see that, with some changes, this story could have worked as the Fifth TNG movie.

Totally agree with this. I struggled through S1 when it first came, and had no desire to sit through S2. Then I heard the buzz around S3 and decided to go back and get through 2 in the last few weeks. Both seasons felt off, like they were written by somebody who had never watched TNG, but now it seems like things are clicking into place a lot better.

Sir Pat Stew is definitely no spring chicken any longer, but it seems to me that in S3 he's elevated and supported by the strong characters around him. Previously, it almost felt like a different character..

soupytwist

Not the best Trek, but the last 3 episode run has been the best Trek has been since DS9 without a doubt - of course it'll probably undo all it's good work from now  ;D

Adami

Quote from: soupytwist on March 20, 2023, 06:57:23 AM
Not the best Trek, but the last 3 episode run has been the best Trek has been since DS9 without a doubt - of course it'll probably undo all it's good work from now  ;D

Oh son, no. There have been good and even some great moments, but even this season of Picard is not great, thus far. As a whole. A great Ro arc doesn't make up for how bad so much else is.

Strange New Worlds is better than this for sure, as was the majority of Enterprise.

This is okay sci-fi with great moments, but it's hardly even Trek.
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soupytwist

#4316
Quote from: Adami on March 20, 2023, 07:00:55 AM
Quote from: soupytwist on March 20, 2023, 06:57:23 AM
Not the best Trek, but the last 3 episode run has been the best Trek has been since DS9 without a doubt - of course it'll probably undo all it's good work from now  ;D

Oh son, no. There have been good and even some great moments, but even this season of Picard is not great, thus far. As a whole. A great Ro arc doesn't make up for how bad so much else is.

Strange New Worlds is better than this for sure, as was the majority of Enterprise.

This is okay sci-fi with great moments, but it's hardly even Trek.

This is how I like my modern Trek, continuing the style and themes of DS9.  I don't think SNW is better, that's been a decent show so far but it's a tad too light weight (and The Orville was kind off already filling that void).  But it has potential to grow, most of the crew are good (aside from the awful Doctor).

And Enterprise...please ;D

It's been a long road
Gettin' from there to here
It's been a long time
But my time is finally near

I will see my dream come alive at last
I will touch the sky
An' they're not gonna hold me down no more
No they're not gonna change my mind
No they're not gonna hold me down

'Cause I've got faith of the heart
I'm going where my heart will take me
I've got faith to believe
I can do anything
I've got strength of the soul
An' no one's gonna bend or break me
I can reach any star
I've got faith
I've got faith
Faith of the heart

:facepalm:


Adami

Yes, the song is not great. The show wasn't bad, if boring. And sometimes bad.

But again, you and I define Trek differently. If you like the dark, gritty, mysteries on top of mysteries, everyone is angry and evil, then this is the stuff for you.

And DS9 wasn't like this. They just ventured into it on occasion, which is why it worked. It was a balancing act. AND DS9 was very well written (mostly). Modern Trek doesn't have the optimism, hope, inspiration to balance out the dark stuff and the writing is (mostly) just quite bad.
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soupytwist

Quote from: Adami on March 20, 2023, 08:03:02 AM
Yes, the song is not great. The show wasn't bad, if boring. And sometimes bad.

But again, you and I define Trek differently. If you like the dark, gritty, mysteries on top of mysteries, everyone is angry and evil, then this is the stuff for you.

And DS9 wasn't like this. They just ventured into it on occasion, which is why it worked. It was a balancing act. AND DS9 was very well written (mostly). Modern Trek doesn't have the optimism, hope, inspiration to balance out the dark stuff and the writing is (mostly) just quite bad.

So fans of BSG  ;D



Adami

I love BSG. But I don't want Star Trek to be BSG.


And again, BSG was very well written.
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soupytwist

Quote from: Adami on March 20, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
And again, BSG was very well written.

For the first two seasons + the New Caprica arc.

Adami

Quote from: soupytwist on March 20, 2023, 09:16:41 AM
Quote from: Adami on March 20, 2023, 09:03:58 AM
And again, BSG was very well written.

For the first two seasons + the New Caprica arc.

Possibly. It's honestly been years. I'd have to go back and rewatch to really stand behind any of my claims. I just remember being blow away by it all.

Though I felt similar about Attack of the Clones when I first saw that heaping pile of trash.
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soupytwist

Quote from: Adami on March 20, 2023, 09:20:44 AM
Though I felt similar about Attack of the Clones when I first saw that heaping pile of trash.

Ha!

If it's any consolation I used to think Battle Beyond the Stars was better than any Star Wars/Trek.

Spoilers - It Isn't.

hefdaddy42

Quote from: Adami on March 20, 2023, 07:00:55 AM
Strange New Worlds is better than this for sure, as was the majority of Enterprise.
I mean, if you say so.  But I don't care about either of those shows, as they are basically prequels that were both unnecessary.

I hope the next Trek show is set after Picard in the timeline, so we can have stories about what happens NEXT.
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Adami

Quote from: hefdaddy42 on March 20, 2023, 11:05:18 AM
Quote from: Adami on March 20, 2023, 07:00:55 AM
Strange New Worlds is better than this for sure, as was the majority of Enterprise.
I mean, if you say so.  But I don't care about either of those shows, as they are basically prequels that were both unnecessary.

I hope the next Trek show is set after Picard in the timeline, so we can have stories about what happens NEXT.

Oh totally. I didn't need any prequels either. I'm just going purely on quality.
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Samsara

Just watched the latest episode of Picard. Have to say, the best episode of the series so far. I like where it is going.

jammindude

I can't believe SNW and Enterprise were both mentioned in the same sentence. Enterprise isn't fit to lick SNW's boots.

soupytwist

Quote from: jammindude on March 22, 2023, 11:52:49 PM
I can't believe SNW and Enterprise were both mentioned in the same sentence. Enterprise isn't fit to lick SNW's boots.

Enterprise had the better Doctor, but that's about it.

Polarbear

Quote from: soupytwist on March 23, 2023, 01:29:14 AM
Quote from: jammindude on March 22, 2023, 11:52:49 PM
I can't believe SNW and Enterprise were both mentioned in the same sentence. Enterprise isn't fit to lick SNW's boots.

Enterprise had the better Doctor, but that's about it.

Phlox was easily the best character imo. I haven't seen SNW in it's entirety, but Enterprise was not good to say the least.

First 2 seasons were a chore to get through. It got a bit better on seasons 3 and 4, but it never came close to TNG, DS9 or even VOY.

ReaperKK

On my last Enterprise rewatch the show isn't as bad as I remembered. Season 3 and 4 were especially good.

Adami

The stories in much of Enterprise may be boring and quite bland, but they make sense. Point A to B usually was logical. The characters had some purpose and rarely was I thinking "HUH? What the hell just happened?". And I can't say the same about a lot of modern Trek.
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soupytwist

#4331
Quote from: Adami on March 23, 2023, 06:14:12 AM
The stories in much of Enterprise may be boring and quite bland, but they make sense.

That's because most of the them were rehashes or slight variations on themes we'd seen before.  Enterprise is a example of a show just phoning it in, characters barely had any personally and the plots are as generic as they come.  When they found out the theme song was generally hated - their solution, speed it up slightly.... :facepalm:.

Adami

Quote from: soupytwist on March 23, 2023, 06:44:46 AM
Quote from: Adami on March 23, 2023, 06:14:12 AM
The stories in much of Enterprise may be boring and quite bland, but they make sense.

That's because most of the them were rehashes or slight variations on themes we'd seen before.  Enterprise is a example of a show just phoning it in, characters barely had any personally and the plots are as generic as they come.  When they found out the theme song was generally hated - their solution, speed it up slightly.... :facepalm:.

Don't fully agree, and I'm done ripping on the song. But if given the choice between buttered noodles, and undercooked noodles with gravy, sprinkles, coconut shavings, and broken glass, I'm going with buttered noodles. Even though buttered noodles are not at all original, boring, phoned in etc.
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soupytwist

Quote from: Adami on March 23, 2023, 08:24:15 AM
Quote from: soupytwist on March 23, 2023, 06:44:46 AM
Quote from: Adami on March 23, 2023, 06:14:12 AM
The stories in much of Enterprise may be boring and quite bland, but they make sense.

That's because most of the them were rehashes or slight variations on themes we'd seen before.  Enterprise is a example of a show just phoning it in, characters barely had any personally and the plots are as generic as they come.  When they found out the theme song was generally hated - their solution, speed it up slightly.... :facepalm:.

Don't fully agree, and I'm done ripping on the song. But if given the choice between buttered noodles, and undercooked noodles with gravy, sprinkles, coconut shavings, and broken glass, I'm going with buttered noodles. Even though buttered noodles are not at all original, boring, phoned in etc.

The sad truth is that you and me are actually eating both, then coming back for more.  Thus is the life of a Trekky.  Now excuse me while I floss some shards of glass from my teeth.

Adami

......yea :-[

pass the floss when you're done please.
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DoctorAction

I've watched the Picard S3 1-5 this week. I wasn't going to but you all got me interested, dammit.

What a mixed bag.

Standout for me - Captain Shaw. Great casting and performance there.


Dream Team

Amanda Plummer deserves a Razzie for her ridiculous first-year-of-drama-club overacting.

jammindude

Focus on this fact and you'll have a lot more fun.

It's obscene how much better this is than Nemesis.  If this is to be the TNG crew's final stand, I'm just so happy that they gave them something that is downright Shakespeare compared to that rancid turd.

soupytwist

#4338
Episode 6 was good, probably a little weaker than the last few, but still enjoyable.  A lot to unpack though, but no spoilers till more have watched it.
Prediction : Adami will have a fuckton of issues with this episode and get full mouth of shards of glass!

jammindude

Quote from: Dream Team on March 23, 2023, 06:52:32 PM
Amanda Plummer deserves a Razzie for her ridiculous first-year-of-drama-club overacting.

Any moment now I expect Michael Jeter to enter the scene in full drag and carrying balloons.

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