Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[King Postwhore]

Agree about Frakes. Dude is just fun as hell to watch and still feels like Riker.

Mostly agree about the new captain. A real dick, but one you understood and could get behind. But then in episode 2 he is just content letting Riker and Picard die. I get the logic, but that is NOT what Starfleet is about at all, so he lost a lot of points with me based solely on that.

He was putting his crew before 2 people but we know the old axiom.  The needs of one.........

[Adami]

Agree about Frakes. Dude is just fun as hell to watch and still feels like Riker.

Mostly agree about the new captain. A real dick, but one you understood and could get behind. But then in episode 2 he is just content letting Riker and Picard die. I get the logic, but that is NOT what Starfleet is about at all, so he lost a lot of points with me based solely on that.

He was putting his crew before 2 people but we know the old axiom.  The needs of one.........

But that's not what Starfleet does. And his response was like "well....they knew what they were doing, so screw them."

You get creative and find ways to help. That's what a Starfleet captain does.

[King Postwhore]

I'm saying I agree with you.  Any of the old series, they've charge right in and try to sav their own.  I was just pointing out what Kirk would do. And Picard. and Janeway.  And Sisko....

[Adami]

I'm saying I agree with you.  Any of the old series, they've charge right in and try to sav their own.  I was just pointing out what Kirk would do. And Picard. and Janeway.  And Sisko....

Oh totally. Sorry, my rage must have taken over.

[hefdaddy42]

Agree about Frakes. Dude is just fun as hell to watch and still feels like Riker.

Mostly agree about the new captain. A real dick, but one you understood and could get behind. But then in episode 2 he is just content letting Riker and Picard die. I get the logic, but that is NOT what Starfleet is about at all, so he lost a lot of points with me based solely on that.

He was putting his crew before 2 people but we know the old axiom.  The needs of one.........

But that's not what Starfleet does. And his response was like "well....they knew what they were doing, so screw them."

You get creative and find ways to help. That's what a Starfleet captain does.

To be fair, we don't know what all Starfleet captains do.  We've only seen a relative handful, and by default (since they are the ones that star in shows) they have been depicted as being the best of the best, the paragons in their fields.  I have no expectation that all captains conduct their commands the same way.  Not all military officers conduct their commands the same way, and for that matter, not all supervisors/managers conduct their business the same way.

[jingle.boy]

Agree about Frakes. Dude is just fun as hell to watch and still feels like Riker.

It won't feel like ole Riker unless he pulls out a trombone, or steps over the back of a chair - assuming Frakes can without breaking a hip.

Also, I meant to post this earlier, but the whole "raise shields" when the ship is at Red Alert is so annoying.  I had a Technical Manual for Enterprise D (probably still have it around somewhere), and in one chapter, it details what happens to the ship functions at yellow and red alert.  Shields automatically go to full at Red Alert.

[hefdaddy42]

Agree about Frakes. Dude is just fun as hell to watch and still feels like Riker.

It won't feel like ole Riker unless he pulls out a trombone, or steps over the back of a chair - assuming Frakes can without breaking a hip.

Also, I meant to post this earlier, but the whole "raise shields" when the ship is at Red Alert is so annoying.  I had a Technical Manual for Enterprise D (probably still have it around somewhere), and in one chapter, it details what happens to the ship functions at yellow and red alert.  Shields automatically go to full at Red Alert.

I have that, on my bookshelf as we speak, alongside Star Trek Chronology: The History of the Future from the same time period.

[Adami]

At this point I wouldn't be shocked if Riker took out his trombone and beat someone to death with it.

In fact it's a homerun and is it mixes two of the three things modern Trek is built on. References and violence.


The other being overly complicated and ridiculous plots, but that can be there too.

[El Barto]

Agree about Frakes. Dude is just fun as hell to watch and still feels like Riker.

It won't feel like ole Riker unless he pulls out a trombone, or steps over the back of a chair - assuming Frakes can without breaking a hip.

Also, I meant to post this earlier, but the whole "raise shields" when the ship is at Red Alert is so annoying.  I had a Technical Manual for Enterprise D (probably still have it around somewhere), and in one chapter, it details what happens to the ship functions at yellow and red alert.  Shields automatically go to full at Red Alert.

I had the 1975 original. Plus the blueprints. 

They actually established the red alert thing in Enterprise, when it was the "Reid alert." The whole system was built around a typical Star Trek fit of shipwide lunacy.

[ZirconBlue]

What canon even exists in the time period between Nemesis and Picard?

[Adami]

What canon even exists in the time period between Nemesis and Picard?

There's a comic book that takes place leading into ST 2009 that bridges it with the TNG people. I don't remember the details but I know B4 became Data who is now a captain. I know the rest show up too and I think that was said to be canon.

[soupytwist]

At this point I wouldn't be shocked if Riker took out his trombone and beat someone to death with it.

I don't condone violence against women, but just saying if he did this to Raffi....

[Adami]

At this point I wouldn't be shocked if Riker took out his trombone and beat someone to death with it.

I don't condone violence against women, but just saying if he did this to Raffi....

Sure, let's just go with this. Bring back Wesley and have someone kill him. Have Data show back up and kill himself. Then at the end have Kurtzman as himself walk on the set and murder all TNG characters, look at the camera and wave....end show. It'll at least be honest.

[hefdaddy42]

Not sure Wesley can be killed at this point, since he is the Traveller.

[Adami]

Not sure Wesley can be killed at this point, since he is the Traveller.

GOD DAMMIT JUST MAKE IT SO!



Did you see when he showed up in season 2? I'm sighing just thinking about it.

[jingle.boy]

At this point I wouldn't be shocked if Riker took out his trombone and beat someone to death with it.

I don't condone violence against women, but just saying if he did this to Raffi....

I hope Stadler isn't in this thread!!

Wait... Wesley showed up in S2?  Dear lord I'm glad I didn't watch that.

[Adami]

I'd say sorry for the spoilers, but honestly? The only spoiler alert is that everything is awful.


But yes, he shows up. You can just youtube the scene. Seeing it completely out of context makes absolutely NO difference. Seeing it in the show itself didn't help it make any more sense that it does in a standalone clip.

[ZirconBlue]

What canon even exists in the time period between Nemesis and Picard?

There's a comic book that takes place leading into ST 2009 that bridges it with the TNG people. I don't remember the details but I know B4 became Data who is now a captain. I know the rest show up too and I think that was said to be canon.

You're right. I've read that, and almost mentioned it in my post, but (A) I don't recall Dr. Crusher being in it, and (2) comic tie-ins are usually of dubious canonicity. 

[jingle.boy]

I'd say sorry for the spoilers, but honestly? The only spoiler alert is that everything is awful.


But yes, he shows up. You can just youtube the scene. Seeing it completely out of context makes absolutely NO difference. Seeing it in the show itself didn't help it make any more sense that it does in a standalone clip.

You can't call it a spoiler - that implies I was ever going to watch S2. I won't be.  I just didn't know about it.

[El Barto]

I'd say sorry for the spoilers, but honestly? The only spoiler alert is that everything is awful.


But yes, he shows up. You can just youtube the scene. Seeing it completely out of context makes absolutely NO difference. Seeing it in the show itself didn't help it make any more sense that it does in a standalone clip.

Didn't it turn out that he and the Traveler are Controllers, a la Gary Seven? I mean, at this point why the hell not? If you're going to shoehorn in pointless callbacks, at least choose interesting ones.

[Adami]

I'd say sorry for the spoilers, but honestly? The only spoiler alert is that everything is awful.


But yes, he shows up. You can just youtube the scene. Seeing it completely out of context makes absolutely NO difference. Seeing it in the show itself didn't help it make any more sense that it does in a standalone clip.

Didn't it turn out that he and the Traveler are Controllers, a la Gary Seven? I mean, at this point why the hell not? If you're going to shoehorn in pointless callbacks, at least choose interesting ones.

Yea, they work above people like Gary 7. And while I wouldn't call that an interesting callback, I get you. But mostly it's cause he shows up randomly and tells whatever character Brent Spiner playing's daughter and is like "I'm a watcher, we control space and time or something, come be one with us" for no reason what so ever.

[El Barto]

I'd say sorry for the spoilers, but honestly? The only spoiler alert is that everything is awful.


But yes, he shows up. You can just youtube the scene. Seeing it completely out of context makes absolutely NO difference. Seeing it in the show itself didn't help it make any more sense that it does in a standalone clip.

Didn't it turn out that he and the Traveler are Controllers, a la Gary Seven? I mean, at this point why the hell not? If you're going to shoehorn in pointless callbacks, at least choose interesting ones.

Yea, they work above people like Gary 7. And while I wouldn't call that an interesting callback, I get you. But mostly it's cause he shows up randomly and tells whatever character Brent Spiner playing's daughter and is like "I'm a watcher, we control space and time or something, come be one with us" for no reason what so ever.

He's Gary Seven's Boss? Criminy.

[soupytwist]

Episode 2 was bleh. 

Great to see Worf again, shame he's in Raffi's side of the story.  Jack seems an OK character I guess.  I did like the unspoken scene between Bev and Picard when he realises Jack is his son.  Aside from that not much I took from it, are we really going Wrath of Khan next episode?!

[Adami]

Episode 2 was bleh. 

Great to see Worf again, shame he's in Raffi's side of the story.  Jack seems an OK character I guess.  I did like the unspoken scene between Bev and Picard when he realises Jack is his son.  Aside from that not much I took from it, are we really going Wrath of Khan next episode?!

It seems that Worf is just Elnor or Elron or L. Ron or whatever. Comes in, cuts everyone's heads off and then preaches pacifism. Hopefully it goes somewhere else.

[abydos]

If only those transporters could tell you, after rearranging your atoms together, that the DNA of this unknown person is suspiciously similar to someone else in the same transport beam... It was just such a shallow, fake drama.

[El Barto]

Worf killed an unarmed Ferengi half his size. 

At least I think he did. That's what it sounded like, but I couldn't see shit. Seems like they weren't content with just making the federation atmospherically and temperamentally dark. They had to make it literally dark now, too.

[Adami]

Worf killed an unarmed Ferengi half his size. 

At least I think he did. That's what it sounded like, but I couldn't see shit. Seems like they weren't content with just making the federation atmospherically and temperamentally dark. They had to make it literally dark now, too.

Best I remember he just started decapitating everyone because that's what a damn warrior does. Cuts off everyone's head.

[El Barto]

Worf killed an unarmed Ferengi half his size. 

At least I think he did. That's what it sounded like, but I couldn't see shit. Seems like they weren't content with just making the federation atmospherically and temperamentally dark. They had to make it literally dark now, too.

Best I remember he just started decapitating everyone because that's what a damn warrior does. Cuts off everyone's head.

I think you might be missing the joke, chaver.

https://youtu.be/NEBAfVB_oEY?t=99

[Adami]

Subtle. Good call though.

[soupytwist]

I forgot to mention when the already cliche villainess lit up a fag I honestly thought are they even trying now.

[DragonAttack]

[Adami]

Just watched episode 3. Terrible.


I feel like people will like this one a lot more, but it was so much of what I don't like about modern Trek. Everything is dark, gritty, no one is good, conspiracies everywhere, everyone hates everyone, there's no sense of structure or order, it's just chaos all the time.

And the fact that it's better than season 2 doesn't make it remotely good.

[DoctorAction]

That's amazing. Love it.

[jingle.boy]

Just watched episode 3. Terrible.


I feel like people will like this one a lot more, but it was so much of what I don't like about modern Trek. Everything is dark, gritty, no one is good, conspiracies everywhere, everyone hates everyone, there's no sense of structure or order, it's just chaos all the time.

And the fact that it's better than season 2 doesn't make it remotely good.

Just go with the flow... It's the Star Trek Multiverse of Madness.

[Polarbear]

Just watched episode 3. Terrible.


I feel like people will like this one a lot more, but it was so much of what I don't like about modern Trek. Everything is dark, gritty, no one is good, conspiracies everywhere, everyone hates everyone, there's no sense of structure or order, it's just chaos all the time.

And the fact that it's better than season 2 doesn't make it remotely good.

I liked episode 3. There I said it.

I feel like the story is starting to pick up, and is potentially heading towards something interesting. Even Raffi's and Worf's subplot is turning into something relevant for the story. Yes, everything is dark and gritty but I expected that going in. And I did like the true villain reveal, without going into spoilers yet.

I didn't like the paper thin explanation given by Beverly, regarding Jack's birth. I also didn't like the withdrawal driven angst of Raffi during the interrogation scene. At times I just wanted Worf to properly shut her up. And at the end of the episode, I feel like the tension build between Picard and Riker felt forced.

Anyway, S3 is not as terrible as I feared it to be so far. And like I said, this could potentially be heading towards something interesting. So I'm sticking with it for now!