Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[ZirconBlue]

Interesting how many references and callbacks, even to TOS were in this first episode:

https://youtu.be/BBqgSS7VhM8

This annoys me without even knowing the details. Can't ST just be a good story? I am just so sick of 500 easter eggs and references. I don't watch ST for member berries, but they know it's what sells. Crappy episode? Who cares, I saw so many things I remembered. It's just so cynical and insulting.

I get you, but I found it interesting in that there was a lot of subtle stuff in there that I never would have picked up on.  Like font choice, for example.

[Polarbear]

I watched the first episode, and I didn't hate it!

The setup and the mystery surrounding Beverly and the ones who chase her, is not entirely disinteresting. Jonathan Frakes doesn't miss a beat as Riker. Gates McFadden at times looks like she's melting, but still brings out the Crusher we all know and love.

I hope I make it pass 3 episodes this time, but so far so good.

[Orbert]

I watched S3 E1 of Picard.  I thought it was kinda cool.  They knew they had to set stuff up and suck us in right away if we were gonna stick with it, and they at least have me intrigued.  It could all fall apart as we go on, but so far, so good.

[Adami]

I too didn't hate it.

The first 5-10 minutes I did. Those were some awful bits filled with nothing but meaningless and cynical nostalgia. Then it got a lot better. A lot of it even felt like star trek at times. The Rafi stuff I can do without and the ending was dumb but much better than anything in seasons 1 or 2. Possibly minus the first Riker/Troi episode.

We will see how it goes. But I will keep an open mind.

Despite my complaints future and past, this episode felt like the characters of Picard, Riker, and 7 were true to who they are. Which I can't really say much about the first two.

[YtseJam]

The only thing I really didn't like was that raffia chick. Anything and everything she did or said made little sense.

[gmillerdrake]

The only thing I really didn't like was that raffia chick. Anything and everything she did or said made little sense.

Bad casting, that actress is BROOTAL.....horribly written character also.

[lonestar]

Yeah, I'm curious to see where she fits in with the actual story. I'll be pissed if it's a lame, half assed addiction/recovery arc that's grudge-fucked into the overall storyline.

[Orbert]

[jammindude]

I'm less than 5 minutes into episode one, and it's SO STAR WARS I CANNOT BELIEVE IT!!

[Adami]

I'm less than 5 minutes into episode one, and it's SO STAR WARS I CANNOT BELIEVE IT!!

Of season 3? It gets better. Then it gets worse and then back and forth but the first 5-10 min are awful.

[jammindude]

I'm less than 5 minutes into episode one, and it's SO STAR WARS I CANNOT BELIEVE IT!!

Of season 3? It gets better. Then it gets worse and then back and forth but the first 5-10 min are awful.

I didn't think it as *bad* per se, it just really felt like Star Wars and not Star Trek.

[jammindude]

There's only one episode? I thought there were 2 or 3 up!

Anyway, it was pretty good. Enough that I want to see episode 2.

[Adami]

Just watched episode 2.


Awful.

Not nearly the mind numbing atrocity that was any part of season 2, but still awful. It's a real shame. The actors are good (minus whatever the hell Rafi's storyline is) and the new kid is oozing charisma. Sadly the writing is just terrible.

I'd say it's quality compared to the most recent seasons of Discovery. Little of it makes much sense, the writing is illogical and characters say/do things that just make me shake my head.



Spoilers....



Jack is Picards son? Are they saying accents are genetic? Also the actor was born in 1988. Does that mean He was born when TNG started? Or is he playing a 20 year old for some reason and Beverly had him when she was 53? All of it is stupid. Hoping it's a fake out, but that would be dumb too.

Ugh.

[DoctorAction]

Oof. I'm not going anywhere near this.

[Dream Team]

Yup, had to shoehorn in one of the oldest plot devices in history. Sadly my wife and I will still watch because we're both huge fans of the characters but hope it gets a little better.

[jingle.boy]

Yeah, Jack as Picard's kid is ridonkulous. 

Worf being the handler was telegraphed from miles away

What's with the whole '1-hour to make a decision' crap?  Such a pathetice a plot-device to build tension and suspense.  And what happened to Picard's "Admiral" title meaning nothing because he's retired.  All of a sudden the crew takes orders from him?  And I thought 7 was relieved of her post.  Now she's giving orders while looking for Jack?

The macro plot could turn out to be somewhat interesting, but the detailed storytelling is atrocious.

[Adami]

I honestly almost turned it off when they couldn't beam them off the Beverly ship and Picard had NO idea why until Jack reminded him that he placed transport inhibitors everywhere that he just happened to have in his pocket the whole time. And only put them up the split second before the bad girl decided to beam him off the ship. And never beamed him off the Titan despite their shields being down the whole time until they THREW A SHIP AT IT. ugh.

[Polarbear]

Spoilers....


Jack is Picards son? Are they saying accents are genetic? Also the actor was born in 1988. Does that mean He was born when TNG started? Or is he playing a 20 year old for some reason and Beverly had him when she was 53? All of it is stupid. Hoping it's a fake out, but that would be dumb too.

Ugh.

Picard takes place like 25 years after Nemesis right? I think the actor is playing someone in his early 20's. I could buy him as Picard's son, but it's shaky.

And yeah, EP2 wasn't great. Far from the worst Kurtzman era Trek, but not great.

I'm still kind of invested, and unlike season 2, I don't feel sick after watching the first couple of episodes.

I'm still rooting for the new showrunner. He seem's like a nice guy based on interviews. And a real Trekkie too.

[Adami]

I could have sworn that Picard said it's been 20 years, but I may have heard that wrong. And the dude that plays Jack is in his mid 30's. Could he be playing a 20 year old? Eh who even cares anymore.

Why is he British? Having a British dad doesn't give you an accent.


And you're right that the show runner seems like a nice guy and a real trekkie. However, he's bringing two main changes to Picard. One is things slowing down a bit which I greatly appreciate, though not nearly enough, and two an INTENSE nostalgia. I don't need old music and old font and 500 references. I just want good stories.

[soupytwist]

Picard and Crusher got it on in when they were under the influence of the mind altering thing in 'The Naked Now'.  Crusher gave Picard added a memory suppressant to his antidote, so he'd forget.  Crusher found out she was pregnant and requested a transfer once the bump started to show, the enterprise got a new Doctor in Pulaski, while Crusher gave birth on Earth. Crusher returned to the enterprise once she'd found a suitable adoptor and recovered emotionally.

Simples....

[Adami]

Picard and Crusher got it on in when they were under the influence of the mind altering thing in 'The Naked Now'.  Crusher gave Picard added a memory suppressant to his antidote, so he'd forget.  Crusher found out she was pregnant and requested a transfer once the bump started to show, the enterprise got a new Doctor in Pulaski, while Crusher gave birth on Earth. Crusher returned to the enterprise once she'd found a suitable adoptor and recovered emotionally.

Simples....

Sadly they might actually do that. I hadn't thought of using season 2 as an explanation but it's just dumb enough to happen.

[soupytwist]

Picard and Crusher got it on in when they were under the influence of the mind altering thing in 'The Naked Now'.  Crusher gave Picard added a memory suppressant to his antidote, so he'd forget.  Crusher found out she was pregnant and requested a transfer once the bump started to show, the enterprise got a new Doctor in Pulaski, while Crusher gave birth on Earth. Crusher returned to the enterprise once she'd found a suitable adoptor and recovered emotionally.

Simples....

Sadly they might actually do that. I hadn't thought of using season 2 as an explanation but it's just dumb enough to happen.

Shot me down!  I was quite proud of that 

On a side note I going to binge watch this when it's all available, only want to pay for 1 month paramount +.

[Polarbear]

Picard and Crusher got it on in when they were under the influence of the mind altering thing in 'The Naked Now'.  Crusher gave Picard added a memory suppressant to his antidote, so he'd forget.  Crusher found out she was pregnant and requested a transfer once the bump started to show, the enterprise got a new Doctor in Pulaski, while Crusher gave birth on Earth. Crusher returned to the enterprise once she'd found a suitable adoptor and recovered emotionally.

Simples....

Sadly they might actually do that. I hadn't thought of using season 2 as an explanation but it's just dumb enough to happen.

Shot me down!  I was quite proud of that 

On a side note I going to binge watch this when it's all available, only want to pay for 1 month paramount +.

Here in my country, I can watch Picard with my Prime Video account. Screw Paramount+ . Sadly I would need a Paramount+ subscription for Strange New Worlds..

[abydos]

This show is akin to grave robbing, yet I am still curious how low it can go. Are there any of the original writers on the show or are they all dead? There's still not a shred of Trek in this, yet they said it would be "completely different".

[jingle.boy]

Why is he British? Having a British dad doesn't give you an accent.

Maybe Picard has galactically magnificent sperm. You don't know how humans have evolved over the next 300 years!

[King Postwhore]

He'd be French then, right?

[soupytwist]

Picard and Crusher got it on in when they were under the influence of the mind altering thing in 'The Naked Now'.  Crusher gave Picard added a memory suppressant to his antidote, so he'd forget.  Crusher found out she was pregnant and requested a transfer once the bump started to show, the enterprise got a new Doctor in Pulaski, while Crusher gave birth on Earth. Crusher returned to the enterprise once she'd found a suitable adoptor and recovered emotionally.

Simples....

Sadly they might actually do that. I hadn't thought of using season 2 as an explanation but it's just dumb enough to happen.

Shot me down!  I was quite proud of that 

On a side note I going to binge watch this when it's all available, only want to pay for 1 month paramount +.

Here in my country, I can watch Picard with my Prime Video account. Screw Paramount+ . Sadly I would need a Paramount+ subscription for Strange New Worlds..

Oh wow.  Thanks for this, I just checked and it's the same for me - I just thought it was Paramount + only.   So I guess I'll catch up on those first two episodes this week.

[Nefarius]

It's been eight years already.

Greetings...
Nef

[hefdaddy42]

I didn't hate the episode as much as some of you did.

Honestly, compared to the first 2 seasons, I am finding this one positively Shakespearean, so I'm most likely just overlooking a lot of things and enjoying it.

[ZirconBlue]

My problem with the son, is that he is played by an actor who was an evil bastard on Outlander, so I am conditioned to hate him.

Why is he British? Having a British dad doesn't give you an accent.

And Picard isn't even British!

[lonestar]

Can't say I totally despise it, can't say it's good either. Just so fucking predictable, and way too much fan service. We've already had like 4 swan songs for the TNG crew, did we really need another? It's like 60s rock stars going on another Farewell Tour, and while they sound like shit, part of me is still happy to hear the classics.

[soupytwist]

So watched episode one.

Pro's. 

- Frakes will never be a good actor, but he is however so much fun on screen hamming it up playing Riker as a cantankerous loveable old git.
- The new Captain (Shaw?) was different, I kind off like him - I hope he doesn't just end up as a villain.

Con's.

- Star Trek Into Darkness.  Are their no lights in the future?  Every single scene (indoors or out) felt like it was shot at night.
- Whatever planet Raffi was on felt purely Star Wars not Trek.
- Beverly 'John Mcclane' Crusher - No, no and no.  Also maybe I'm wrong here but doesn't Bev cutting off the rest of the crew for 20 years contradict canon?
- ...and the saddest 'Con'...Patrick Steward just looks lost and confused in so many scenes.

[Adami]

Agree about Frakes. Dude is just fun as hell to watch and still feels like Riker.

Mostly agree about the new captain. A real dick, but one you understood and could get behind. But then in episode 2 he is just content letting Riker and Picard die. I get the logic, but that is NOT what Starfleet is about at all, so he lost a lot of points with me based solely on that.

[El Barto]

- Beverly 'John Mcclane' Crusher - No, no and no.  Also maybe I'm wrong here but doesn't Bev cutting off the rest of the crew for 20 years contradict canon?

Every time I see the word "canon" related to ST it's kind of jarring. That was a concept that became meaningless 15 years ago, and now it's something so completely warped and twisted it has no real meaning or relevance. 

[soupytwist]

- Beverly 'John Mcclane' Crusher - No, no and no.  Also maybe I'm wrong here but doesn't Bev cutting off the rest of the crew for 20 years contradict canon?

Every time I see the word "canon" related to ST it's kind of jarring. That was a concept that became meaningless 15 years ago, and now it's something so completely warped and twisted it has no real meaning or relevance.

Yeah that's a fair point.  I guess it was more of a 'this doesn't feel right' to me kind off thing.