Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[Kotowboy]

Star Trek fans and Doctor Who fans are the same.

It's genuinely hilarious how UPSET they get over a sci fi television show from nearly 60 years ago made out of cardboard and sellotape.

" ITS NOT CANON ! NOT MY STAR TREK "

Newsflash : TOS wasn't canon from week to week.

" Grrr !! A *fictional* shape-shifting ALIEN cannot be played be a FEMALE !!! "

 

[Adami]

I'm enjoying season 4 of TNG. I know it's likely a lot of nostalgia and love for the crew carrying me through some of the meh episodes, but I'm still having a smile on my face.

[Kotowboy]

Yeah most of the "Oh God it's this one" episodes are in Seasons 1 - 3

[soupytwist]

Yeah most of the "Oh God it's this one" episodes are in Seasons 1 - 3

7 has a few clunkers too - Masks, Genesis, Dark page and of course the Crusher candle sex episode!

[YtseJam]

Do not lot thot condell! Misaka is waking! Those are some great episodes! 

[SoundscapeMN]

Gold.

William Shatner Reviews Impressions of Himself | Vanity Fair

[Kotowboy]

I've never seen anyone else point it out..

But - In The Wrath Of Khan - David says to Kirk " I'm proud to be your son..."

And in Star Trek Into Darkness - Carol says to Adm. Marcus " I'm ashamed to be your daughter ".

I thought that was neat. Not an obvious TWOK reference. I actually think Into Darkness has more Undiscovered Country callbacks than TWOK.

In TUC - I'm sure it's Bones who says " Are we firing torpedos at the klingons ? "

In STID he says " You want to fire torpedos at the Klingons ? "

Also this is probably a massive coincidence - but as the landing party is flying towards Qu'onos - Spock says " I predict there is a 91.6 % chance they will kill us.."

Star Trek 6 was released in 91.

Finally - STID uses literally one scene from TWOK and turns it around for narrative purposes. Nemesis is almost a beat for beat remake of TWOK

but STID is "the khan remake"......

Just my deep thoughts y'all.  I think STID is far better than people say it is.


The only thing that bugged me was - they used dialogue from TWOK verbatim but changed who said the lines. At least have the same characters say the same dialogue.

[DoctorAction]

Lower Decks still great fun.

[ReaperKK]

I'm a few episodes behind but I've enjoyed this season a lot.

[jammindude]

Lower Decks still great fun.

I get laughed at in ST threads, but I honestly think it’s the best ST show on right now.

[El Barto]

Lower Decks still great fun.

I get laughed at in ST threads, but I honestly think it’s the best ST show on right now.

I thought it kind of sucked, but I'd agree with you on that. If nothing else at least it understands what Star Trek is, rather than just phasers, Klingons, and a handful of popular characters (all of which are different every incarnation).

[SoundscapeMN]

not Star Trek, but closely related,

a reboot of Babylon 5 is in the works...

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/babylon-5-reboot-the-cw-j-michael-straczynski-1235075236/

[DoctorAction]

Cool. I only watched bits and pieces when it was first on.

[Kotowboy]

Lower Decks S1 was way more enjoyable than Disco and Picard S1.

  Plus it has a great opening title sequence. The theme for Disco just sort of gives up and then plays the TOS theme.

But I don't really care about any of them too much. I'm going to wait til Picard S2 and Lower Decks S2 have finished their run then get a free month of Prime to binge watch them.

I might watch Disco as it happens. We shall see.

[soupytwist]

Lower Decks S1 was way more enjoyable than Disco and Picard S1.

  Plus it has a great opening title sequence. The theme for Disco just sort of gives up and then plays the TOS theme.

But I don't really care about any of them too much. I'm going to wait til Picard S2 and Lower Decks S2 have finished their run then get a free month of Prime to binge watch them.

I might watch Disco as it happens. We shall see.

I wish Lower Decks wasn't a comedy series.  They could have made a great Star Trek show that wasn't limited by budget (as it's animated) - instead they went down the comedy sci-fi route of which there are plenty already.

[Kotowboy]

Maybe Star Trek Prodigy will be a touch more dramatic.

[soupytwist]

Maybe Star Trek Prodigy will be a touch more dramatic.

Seems to be aimed at a younger audience.

[hefdaddy42]

I can't get into Lower Decks.

And I know the tones are completely different, so probably not a great comparison, but I couldn't get into any of the Star Wars animated shows either.

[gmillerdrake]

but I couldn't get into any of the Star Wars animated shows either.

That's a bummer because there was some cool stuff that was worth it. But I totally get how it's tough to get into....especially Clone Wars. Was certainly a slow burn but worth it IMO

[SoundscapeMN]

Pretty good, thorough Retrospective on Star Trek Voyager, which seeing/remembering, once again reminded me how much I used to love Star Trek in the 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8lNTPXE6s4

[El Barto]

Pretty good, thorough Retrospective on Star Trek Voyager, which seeing/remembering, once again reminded me how much I used to love Star Trek in the 90's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8lNTPXE6s4

That was very good. I didn't always agree with him, but it was an excellent presentation, and he did justice to both the strengths and the flaws of the series.

[Kotowboy]

Reading Wiki and The Undiscovered Country script was pitched to Paramount and released to cinemas in the same year.

That's fast as f--k.

[Kotowboy]

Script finished.

Cast and Crew hired.

Locations scouted.

Sets and props all built.

Principal Photography.

Post production. / Sound mixing / Editing.

Whatever mastering is in the film world...

Promotion and release to cinemas.

All in 10 months.

[jammindude]

Script finished.

Cast and Crew hired.

Locations scouted.

Sets and props all built.

Principal Photography.

Post production. / Sound mixing / Editing.

Whatever mastering is in the film world...

Promotion and release to cinemas.

All in 10 months.

That’s pretty cool considering that it’s probably one of the most underrated Star Trek movies in the entire canon

[DoctorAction]

Very impressive. I don't feel it's underated, though. I thought pretty much everyone thinks it's good?

[Kotowboy]

Yeah I think 2,4 and 6 are the Big Three of the TOS movies.

If anything I think 1 is under rated and *isn't* just "LOL ITS SO BORING !!!!!!!!!11111"

I actually love the pacing.

How TF do people constantly make fun of The Motion Picture's pacing and not 2001 ? Or Blade Runner ?

[Adami]

Yeah I think 2,4 and 6 are the Big Three of the TOS movies.

If anything I think 1 is under rated.

This is an example of a good post that doesn’t need to go into insulting people who disagree with you.

And you’re right. The motion picture is underrated in my opinion. It’s not great but it’s pretty good at least. N

[ZirconBlue]

Script finished.

Cast and Crew hired.

Locations scouted.

Sets and props all built.

Principal Photography.

Post production. / Sound mixing / Editing.

Whatever mastering is in the film world...

Promotion and release to cinemas.

All in 10 months.

A lot of the sets were redressed TNG sets, and they re-used old models (albeit refurbished) for the ships, so they had a little bit of a head start. 

[soupytwist]

If anything I think 1 is under rated and *isn't* just "LOL ITS SO BORING !!!!!!!!!11111"

I actually love the pacing.

How TF do people constantly make fun of The Motion Picture's pacing and not 2001 ? Or Blade Runner ?

From a character point of view it's a very weird movie, everyone is so cold and emotionless (the returning characters from ToS are barely recognisable).  It's a fascinatingly odd film, but it's a real chore to rewatch these days.

[hefdaddy42]

How TF do people constantly make fun of The Motion Picture's pacing and not 2001 ? Or Blade Runner ?

There were no prior iterations of 2001 or Blade Runner on film with which to compare those films.  The pacing was the pacing, and is perfect for those films.

The pacing of ST:TMP was glacial in comparison to the TV show, and the characters, as soupytwist mentioned, aren't recognizable as their TV counterparts.

I'm not saying it's a bad movie, but it deserves every bit of criticism it receives as far as pacing, and it is certainly boring, in sections, especially compared to the shows that came before it, and the other ST films that came afterward.

[El Barto]

It's also the case that nobody watched 2001 for the story. Hell, nobody even knows what the story is. People watched it because it was an impressive bit of eye candy (and still is). While Blade Runner had a story and some decent characterizations, much like 2001 it was still about bringing people into a fascinating world they hadn't seen before. Again, it was more about the what you were seeing than the story you were watching.

ST was different in that regard. We wanted a Star Trek story (and IMO, got one). I think they also wanted some 2001 in there, though (and accomplished that, as well). What I don't get is the characters being unrecognizable. They were a bit more serious, but to me they all seemed pretty much the same, save for Spock who got rebooted in the interim.

[hefdaddy42]

I always felt that TMP was a weird experiment, and I just write it off.

IMO, we didn't get a real ST film until Wrath of Khan.

But I don't dislike TMP, per se.  It's not bad.  It's just not really anything I ever want to sit through again.

[Adami]

It's also the case that nobody watched 2001 for the story. Hell, nobody even knows what the story is. People watched it because it was an impressive bit of eye candy (and still is). While Blade Runner had a story and some decent characterizations, much like 2001 it was still about bringing people into a fascinating world they hadn't seen before. Again, it was more about the what you were seeing than the story you were watching.

ST was different in that regard. We wanted a Star Trek story (and IMO, got one). I think they also wanted some 2001 in there, though (and accomplished that, as well). What I don't get is the characters being unrecognizable. They were a bit more serious, but to me they all seemed pretty much the same, save for Spock who got rebooted in the interim.

I'm gonna disagree about 2001. It's definitely not just eye candy. While the "plot" is quite....odd....and convoluted, I'd say the movie is more about an experience, rather than just something pretty to look at. I'd also add that they got kind of ST characters on sedatives.

[El Barto]

It's also the case that nobody watched 2001 for the story. Hell, nobody even knows what the story is. People watched it because it was an impressive bit of eye candy (and still is). While Blade Runner had a story and some decent characterizations, much like 2001 it was still about bringing people into a fascinating world they hadn't seen before. Again, it was more about the what you were seeing than the story you were watching.

ST was different in that regard. We wanted a Star Trek story (and IMO, got one). I think they also wanted some 2001 in there, though (and accomplished that, as well). What I don't get is the characters being unrecognizable. They were a bit more serious, but to me they all seemed pretty much the same, save for Spock who got rebooted in the interim.

I'm gonna disagree about 2001. It's definitely not just eye candy. While the "plot" is quite....odd....and convoluted, I'd say the movie is more about an experience, rather than just something pretty to look at. I'd also add that they got kind of ST characters on sedatives.

Yeah, you're right. That's kind of what I was getting at with Blade Runner. It's about taking you someplace. I just don't think either are story-driven. And taking the viewer someplace is also what I think TMP was going for on some level.

[soupytwist]

Another thing TMP has against it is it's basically the same plot as the episode 'The Changling'....but I'd argue that episode is better, it's certainly more fun (the reteaching Uhura everything after her memory is wiped is very 60's sci-fi WTF).