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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #2975 on: January 15, 2021, 06:41:54 PM »
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« Reply #2976 on: January 22, 2021, 02:15:29 AM »
Star Trek : Lower Decks is on Amazon Prime today outside the US. It's all 10 episodes so they're gonna have a boat load of free trials that get cancelled after a day.  :lol

I was dreading it but I saw the 1st episode and it was better than I was expecting. I thought it would be a third rate Family Guy clone but it was actually not bad.

I like the TNG setting as well.

Right - time to get my free trial so i can watch it  ;D :D


Edit : Done ! But I'll keep Prime for the 30 days incase I want to buy something and not pay postage  :D :D
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« Reply #2977 on: January 22, 2021, 02:46:11 AM »
But I'll keep Prime for the 30 days incase I want to buy something and not pay postage  :D :D

I'd recommend 'The Expanse' - although it may not be a show you enjoy as it's story driven as opposed to episodic (that's not a burn I think I saw you post you prefer episodic shows) - but as you've got Prime for 30 days it maybe worth a watch, I'd say don't giveup till the end of Episode 4 - if it's not engaged you by then, then porbably not one for you.

 

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« Reply #2978 on: January 22, 2021, 08:17:40 AM »
Star Trek : Lower Decks is on Amazon Prime today outside the US. It's all 10 episodes so they're gonna have a boat load of free trials that get cancelled after a day.  :lol

I was dreading it but I saw the 1st episode and it was better than I was expecting. I thought it would be a third rate Family Guy clone but it was actually not bad.

I like the TNG setting as well.

Right - time to get my free trial so i can watch it  ;D :D


Edit : Done ! But I'll keep Prime for the 30 days incase I want to buy something and not pay postage  :D :D
I really like the idea of it, and the animation doesn't bother me at all. The high speed, madcap style wasn't the problem isn't really my thing, but I didn't hate it or anything. My only problem was that I just didn't find it very funny. The jokes just fell flat, I thought.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #2979 on: January 22, 2021, 10:46:41 AM »
Yeah it's a bit frantic - which is weird as kids love that - but it also has some adult jokes so... Who is it for ?

I will watch a few episodes later.

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« Reply #2980 on: January 22, 2021, 04:01:55 PM »
So after putting it off for a bit too long, I watched Star Trek: The Final Frontier.

I remembered it being really bad but also thought I remembered a lot of really great character stuff. I hoped that, upon my rewatch, that it'd be better than I remember or at least better than people say.

I think I was mostly accurate the first time. The movie is a real mess. The writing is just...lazy? I dunno. Just didn't feel like they put a ton into writing it. Maybe it felt like a first draft or something. The directing was a bit up its own butt at times, trying to find some kind of voice or style, but never really did. Though the character interactions WERE largely great. I did cringe at row row row your boat, but other than I thought the characters were exactly who they would be. Apparently Shatner was praised by even George as a good presence on the set as a director. Also the scene where Spock and Bones face their pain was actually really well done. I love that Spock acknowledged that he needed his pain and did not choose to give it up. I thought that was a great moment.

Sybok was well acted and an interesting character but really should not have been Spock's brother. Maybe a former class mate? It's too weird to find out that Sarek had a former wife (I assume Vulcans don't just bang and ditch) and that Spock had a half brother that was never mentioned before or ever again. But a former classmate? Perfect. Even best friend.

Then at the end when Kirk says he almost lost a brother once, referring to Spock in Kahn, was odd since Kirk DID have a brother and DID lose that brother.

Overall, not a very good movie, but still more pleasant to watch than a lot of the newer stuff but I think that's almost entirely because I like the cast a lot more and they work better together.

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« Reply #2981 on: January 23, 2021, 12:28:05 AM »
Also the scene where Spock and Bones face their pain was actually really well done. I love that Spock acknowledged that he needed his pain and did not choose to give it up. I thought that was a great moment.


Long time since I've seen the film but I'm pretty sure it's Kirk that doesn't give up his pain isn't it. 
Final Frontier isn't as bad as its reputation.

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« Reply #2982 on: January 23, 2021, 03:42:11 AM »
Final Frontier definitely deserves it's reputation way more than Into Darkness or Nemesis...

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« Reply #2983 on: January 23, 2021, 04:58:45 AM »
Final Frontier definitely deserves it's reputation way more than Into Darkness or Nemesis...

Into Darkness doesn't have a bad rep does it?  It's the highest grossing Trek movie (even when adjusted for inflation) and both it's critical score (rottentomatoes and metacritic) and it's general public score (IMDb) are higher than most of the other Trek films. 
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« Reply #2984 on: January 23, 2021, 06:38:47 AM »
Most people hated it coz its "lol wrath of khan remake!!! " when it clearly isnt. Nemesis Is. But nobody ever mentions that.

Also people love to go on about "action and splosions" as if being entertained for a couple of hours should be frowned upon.

Let's not pretend that if the TNG movies had a £300m budget they wouldn't be exactly the same...


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« Reply #2985 on: January 23, 2021, 03:47:28 PM »
Also the scene where Spock and Bones face their pain was actually really well done. I love that Spock acknowledged that he needed his pain and did not choose to give it up. I thought that was a great moment.


Long time since I've seen the film but I'm pretty sure it's Kirk that doesn't give up his pain isn't it. 
Final Frontier isn't as bad as its reputation.

I literally just watched it. Spocks pain was his birth and his dads disappointment.
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« Reply #2986 on: January 23, 2021, 03:56:56 PM »
"So human"

Yeah, that was painful.  And it's been a while, so Spock may also have said something about needing his pain, but I think what soupy is talking about is the scene where Sybok wants to take away Kirk's pain and Kirk argues with him and refuses the procedure.  That was the scene that came to mind for me as well; Kirk's scene.  Maybe it was mass hallucination.

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« Reply #2987 on: January 23, 2021, 04:00:06 PM »
"So human"

Yeah, that was painful.  And it's been a while, so Spock may also have said something about needing his pain, but I think what soupy is talking about is the scene where Sybok wants to take away Kirk's pain and Kirk argues with him and refuses the procedure.  That was the scene that came to mind for me as well; Kirk's scene.  Maybe it was mass hallucination.

I guess I meant more when Sybok tells Spock to come with him and that was Spocks response.


Either way, that whole scene was well done.
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« Reply #2988 on: January 23, 2021, 04:06:44 PM »
It's been a long time since I've seen it but I really like The Final Frontier.

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« Reply #2989 on: January 23, 2021, 04:45:58 PM »
It's been a long time since I've seen it but I really like The Final Frontier.

It had some potential but sadly the script just was nowhere near good enough.

I think even Shatner admitted it was a great but failed experiment.
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« Reply #2990 on: January 23, 2021, 05:29:08 PM »
Count me in as someone who likes The Final Frontier.  It has its problems, and some non-great stuff, but the positives outweigh the negatives for me.  Some of the character scenes we've recounted here are really quite strong, and they make the whole thing worthwhile.

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« Reply #2991 on: January 23, 2021, 08:06:44 PM »
I think even Shatner admitted it was a great but failed experiment.

A bunch of cast and crew have gone on record admitting it was a bit of a stumble, especially after the popular and successful run of II-III-IV. It also made them realize with their ages, VI was going to be the last chance to end on a high note.

When prepping for VI, check out the first teaser. I still remember seeing this in the theater at the time. Probably my favorite teaser ever.

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« Reply #2992 on: January 27, 2021, 10:37:54 AM »
So I've enjoyed Star Trek....but judging from the comments in this thread I'm not nearly as ST educated as a few of you. I started with TNG which I loved......then watched and enjoyed 'Enterprise'.....seen all the movies old and new.....and have seen the first two seasons of 'Discovery'.....need to get to S3 as I really dig that show as well.

My question is....is Deep Space 9 or Voyager worth the time investment?

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« Reply #2993 on: January 27, 2021, 10:40:02 AM »
DS9 is the best of the series IMO. 
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« Reply #2994 on: January 27, 2021, 10:41:08 AM »
So I've enjoyed Star Trek....but judging from the comments in this thread I'm not nearly as ST educated as a few of you. I started with TNG which I loved......then watched and enjoyed 'Enterprise'.....seen all the movies old and new.....and have seen the first two seasons of 'Discovery'.....need to get to S3 as I really dig that show as well.

My question is....is Deep Space 9 or Voyager worth the time investment?

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« Reply #2995 on: January 27, 2021, 11:06:28 AM »
Yes. Very much so.

DS9 is the best of the series IMO. 

Thanks  :tup   I've been on the fence whether or not to invest the time. I'll trust your guys endorsement.
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« Reply #2996 on: January 27, 2021, 11:21:07 AM »
DS9 probably is the best of the series, but most of VOY is at an equally high level. In terms of being an investment in time, I'd rank them both as more valuable than TNG and ENT (fuck STD). And if it's been a while, there are probably three or four episodes of TNG that you might want to revisit. They did a fair amount to set up DS9. It's strictly optional, the pilot is highly expository (way too much, IMO), but might help things along.
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« Reply #2997 on: January 27, 2021, 11:32:25 AM »
DS9 starts out very slow IMO(First episode is really good). But soon it starts building towards something truly incredible. So stick with it, even if the early episodes seem to drag on!

VOY is also good. Not as good as DS9, but it does find it's groove eventually.

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« Reply #2998 on: January 27, 2021, 12:30:33 PM »
Avery Brooks acting in DS9 " The Emissary " is really bad though.

I still have to binge watch DS9. a few years ago I binge watched all of VOY and then ENT. I just need to START DS9 and then i'm sure i'll end up finishing it.

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« Reply #2999 on: January 27, 2021, 12:41:48 PM »
Avery Brooks acting in DS9 " The Emissary " is really bad though.
I agree, but it's pretty typical for him. And the writing is worse than his acting, honestly. The premise was great, but there was just too much clumsy exposition.

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I still have to binge watch DS9. a few years ago I binge watched all of VOY and then ENT. I just need to START DS9 and then i'm sure i'll end up finishing it.
The first three seasons are actually pretty good. They just suffer from not being about the Dominion. Since we know how good it will become it's pretty underwhelming out of the gate. They also hadn't really hammered out the characters yet. Dax in particular didn't really click until midway through S2, and it was the end of S2 when Garak really became a character.
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« Reply #3000 on: January 27, 2021, 01:00:28 PM »
DS9.
TOS
TNG
Modern Shows
Ent.
VOY.

That would be my order.  I could never rewatch Voyager aside from the bland writing so many of the characters are awful - Neelix (I genuinely think he's the worst TV character ever), Kes, Chatotay, Kim and Niomi Wildman....

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« Reply #3001 on: January 27, 2021, 01:17:00 PM »
Since we know how good it will become it's pretty underwhelming out of the gate.


That's most Trek shows.

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« Reply #3002 on: January 27, 2021, 04:10:34 PM »
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« Reply #3003 on: January 27, 2021, 10:20:20 PM »
I like Tilly.

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« Reply #3004 on: January 28, 2021, 02:49:43 AM »
Tilly is way way more irritating than Wes Crusher ever was.


One of the things i'm glad Trek mostly dropped for good after TNG S3 is

* Alien beams aboard Enterprise

" Greetings i'm captain Pic..."

Alien : " SHOW ME ALL THE WOMEN ".

S1 of TNG is terrible for it. There's that one episode where Riker and Worf are just walking around and Riker flat out asks Worf is he likes sex.

The dialogue in TNG S1 is so wooden and matter-of-fact. It's like the characters are only there to spell out the moral of the story for the audience.

S2 is a lot better and S3 onwards is obviously where it gets really good. But S1 and S2 of TNG still has the TOS smell on it. With the horrible synthy score that severely ages it

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« Reply #3005 on: January 28, 2021, 04:54:33 AM »
I'll take Tilly over Wes but there are moments that have grated for me with her too. She's a great idea for a character, I think, and a great actress, but hasn't been deployed to the greatest effect in Disco.

I think this is a general problem with many aspects of the show. Like a painter having all the paints and equipment but not being mature or careful enough to use them with restraint or in the right place.

There's a lot of TNG/TOS that is pants but when good they provided the core for the rest to follow.
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« Reply #3006 on: January 28, 2021, 06:54:24 AM »
Wes is the typical super intelligent kid in a sci fi show, he's annoying and way to many of the early TNG revolved around Wes saving the day - Will Wheaton wasn't a bad actor (He's good in Stand By Me) but he's letdown by some really bad writing both in dialog and character....but I actually prefer Wes over Worf's son Alexander - thankfully he wasn't in the show much but when he was.......awful.  Once Wes left it hurt Beverly Crusher who's one trait was 'Mother' and when he left she didn't even have that anymore.

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« Reply #3007 on: January 28, 2021, 07:09:04 AM »
The Alexander actor was like they gave him the line the second before calling Action.

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« Reply #3008 on: January 28, 2021, 08:12:48 AM »
One of the things i'm glad Trek mostly dropped for good after TNG S3 is

* Alien beams aboard Enterprise

" Greetings i'm captain Pic..."

Alien : " SHOW ME ALL THE WOMEN ".

S1 of TNG is terrible for it. There's that one episode where Riker and Worf are just walking around and Riker flat out asks Worf is he likes sex.
Two things to remember. One, it was 1987. Attitudes towards women were very different. Since the TNG crew were essentially post-human, the aliens portrayed modern humanity and viewing women as pretty things you want to fuck wasn't shameful as it is now. The other thing is that Roddenberry was pervy as all getout. They were constantly having to scrub his hyper-sexualized story lines out. If you noticed a change in S3 that was pretty understandable as that's when he was mostly gone from the production.
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« Reply #3009 on: January 28, 2021, 10:28:11 AM »
DS9
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To be consistent, shouldn't Discovery be abbreviated DIS?