Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[ReaperKK]

Watched the latest episode - was OK.  Bit disappointed how one dimensional it's becoming - go somewhere (Earth, Trill Planet, Star Fleet head quarters, Vulcan) meet with suspicion but ultimately win them over.

You forgot something. Michael is the only person in the universe who can do whatever it is they need to do.

Help the trill? HAS TO BE MICHAEL!
Broker peace between earth and some random peeps? HAS TO BE MICHAEL!
Help the alien guy who has a member of his species 10 feet away? HAS TO BE MICHAEL!
Get info from Vulcan? HAS TO BE MICHAEL!

This started to get to me a little bit in season 2 but now it's really annoying.

[Kotowboy]

In TNG it would have been Riker.

I'm guessing that they demoted Burnham so she doesn't get to do as much for the rest of this season.

Maybe out of fan complaints that she always does everything and is always the centre of the story.

I really hope the BURN doesn't turn out to be a All Good Things style predestination paradox where they create the Burn by looking for it

and it gets its name from BURN-HAM.


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I can't understand the people who are genuinely like " Black Woman as the lead ? I'm done with Star Trek. "

It's like Good. it doesn't want you.

[El Barto]

The middle era equivalent of what y'all are on about is that only key castmembers can do anything of consequence, other than die. TOS had no qualms about putting nobodies in key positions. They had another doctor that could take care of people. Anybody with a gold shirt could be the captain while Kirk's off getting laid. Chekhov and Sulu were strictly optional. They had an entire crew of trained specialists, including stuff they didn't even need.

Once you got to TNG, and particularly VOY and DS9, only the principle cast could manage the ship. The rest of the crew was essentially dead weight. When TNG needed a fill-in captain who'd they turn to? Crusher or Troi. When VOY needed anybody for any specialized it was always Neelix. Need a crack assault team to infiltrate and destroy a fortified installation? Sisko, Work, Dax, Bashir, and Odo were always better than whatever Starfleet security had available. On DS9 it wasn't so bad because they were all likeable and a great ensemble cast. In VOY it was more annoying because every away mission required "I used to do that" Neelix to go along.

VOY actually finally went further into Burnham territory (as I understand it) when the entire series turned into the Janeway/Seven/Doctor show. That was actually worse.

I can't understand the people who are genuinely like " Black Woman as the lead ? I'm done with Star Trek. "

It's like Good. it doesn't want you.

The problem wasn't a black woman lead. Nobody cared about Sisko, and Uhuru was not only a beloved character, she was a main character in the Abrams movies, on par with K/S/M. Where people objected was shoehorning into the lead a black woman for no other reason than diversity's sake. And that applied across the cast, IIRC. I might well be wrong, but I thought having the only white male character be gay created the bigger uproar than the black woman star.  In any case, if the character works then it's not a problem. If the character is miscast then it's a problem. I have no idea how Burnham worked out, but she seems to get mixed reviews.

[ReaperKK]

I liked the most recent ep until the end, the locusts story line didn't do it for me when they just asked them to leave.

[Adami]

Terrible episode. Contender for worst of the season thus far.

[Kotowboy]

Terrible episode. Contender for worst of the season thus far.

Yes but you literally say that every week.

[Adami]

Terrible episode. Contender for worst of the season thus far.

Yes but you literally say that every week.

No I do not.

[Polarbear]

Terrible episode. Contender for worst of the season thus far.

I have to agree with Adami on this one! Not a good episode at all.

Funny how a photon torpedo from a battlecruiser has the same explosive radius, as a modern day hand grenade...

[DoctorAction]

I'm with Adami. That was a total mess of an episode, imo. Nothing has any tension or emotional significance played on fast forward. This series needed double the episodes.

[Adami]

I'm with Adami.

[DoctorAction]

 

[soupytwist]

I'm with Adami.

It really, really hurts too agree with Adami* but yeah dud episode!

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[Adami]

God damn. Well now maybe I’m thinking it’s a good episode hah!

[soupytwist]

I enjoyed Detmer getting a hero moment from a character point of view - although the action itself was a mess (Frakes has always struggled directing coherient action scenes)  I even liked Saru looking for a catchphrase - silly, but entirely Star Trek b-story worthy.   But....

Oysraa acts like she's from Flash Gordon - so hammy.  Let's  call her Oysraa the Merciless, Mings daughter,  this is really the main bid bad of the season?    Then there was Booker brother - no idea who the actor was but he was so awful he took me out of the story, seriously made Ash Tyler's actor seem Shakespearean!

Oh and Georgiou got some terrible dialog this episode!

[Kotowboy]

Every episode I hope Giorgiou dies. I don't hate Michelle Yeoh - but answering literally...LITERALLY everything said to her with a snarky comment got REALLY irritating.


It reminded ME?

of the WAY ?

That one guy SPOKE ?

In Time's ARROW ?

Every single LINE ?

The same WAY ?

for Two HOURS ?

[DoctorAction]

Every episode I hope Giorgiou dies. I don't hate Michelle Yeoh - but answering literally...LITERALLY everything said to her with a snarky comment got REALLY irritating.


It reminded ME?

of the WAY ?

That one guy SPOKE ?

In Time's ARROW ?

Every single LINE ?

The same WAY ?

for Two HOURS ?

😂 So true.

[Adami]

So after finishing TOS, I continued my rewatch by watching TMP a few days ago.

It's obviously not a movie I go back to often. It's not in the top half of Star Trek movies (I don't count the JJ movies there), but I really don't think it's as bad as many people make it out to be. The worst thing it has going for it is that it's quite boring at times, and I'd say that's largely only the first half or so. Overall, I actually liked it. The characters are, sadly, much much duller versions of themselves, and it's missing a lot of the essential character elements that made that crew what they were. I found the story itself fascinating for the most part, and the visuals were quite amazing, given what they had to work with before.

One cool moment I never caught before was when Spock gets back on the bridge (or around then) they play an almost melancholy rendition of the original series theme song. I never picked up on it before because I was always much more into the TNG theme, but having heard the TOS theme a hundred or so times til now, it finally registered. Nice little moment.

Anywho, boring first half but still not bad, and a much better second half. Looking forward to catching TROK next week or so.

[Kotowboy]

It's not in the top half of Star Trek movies (I don't count the JJ movies there),

Pretty sure they all had "Star trek" in the title🤔...

Anyway - I love The Motion Picture and it's simply not BORING LOL... It is if you're used to Transformers or Fast and Furious. I love everything about it.

Especially how - once Enterprise leaves Earth - it never cuts away - you're on the journey with them the whole time.

I love the score and the whole 'vibe' of the film.

The Search For Spock is more boring I would say...



Also - I don't like the idea that the Voyager VI probe was 'adopted' by The Borg... I'm so tired of everything being a reference or a nod to something else.

[Adami]

I’ll clarify, I don’t like the JJ movies, and they’re set in a different universe, so I don’t count them in MY list. Better?

And I don’t like Transformers movies and only saw the first 2 F&F movies.

No need to be so aggressive and insulting.

[soupytwist]

The characters are, sadly, much much duller versions of themselves, and it's missing a lot of the essential character elements that made that crew what they were.

The script is adapted from the pilot episode of the never made Star Trek Phase II series, I can imagine a lot of the dialog was lifted straight from those pages, because like you I don't think original crew feel right in The Motion Picture....on Khan everyone is back though!

[Adami]

The characters are, sadly, much much duller versions of themselves, and it's missing a lot of the essential character elements that made that crew what they were.

The script is adapted from the pilot episode of the never made Star Trek Phase II series, I can imagine a lot of the dialog was lifted straight from those pages, because like you I don't think original crew feel right in The Motion Picture....on Khan everyone is back though!

And apparently the cast felt the same way. Seems most if not all of them have commented that they felt the movie missed the mark. Though I think I liked it more than they did haha.

[El Barto]

The characters are, sadly, much much duller versions of themselves, and it's missing a lot of the essential character elements that made that crew what they were.

The script is adapted from the pilot episode of the never made Star Trek Phase II series, I can imagine a lot of the dialog was lifted straight from those pages, because like you I don't think original crew feel right in The Motion Picture....on Khan everyone is back though!

And apparently the cast felt the same way. Seems most if not all of them have commented that they felt the movie missed the mark. Though I think I liked it more than they did haha.

The original one missed the entire barn. I saw it when it was first released and it made zero sense. It wasn't until they re-released the director's cut that they put enough of the story back in to be cogent, and it was pretty good. I've always thought it best to just consider the first 20 minutes the overture. It's essentially just two long music videos with some intermittent, non-important dialogue cut in. Once you get passed that it picks up quite a bit.

Decker was history's greatest monster. Earth sends out this probe with the most impossible of all tasks. Somehow, miraculously it succeeds and comes home with all of the knowledge of the universe. Will Decker decides to bond with it, and then it vanishes into nothingness with all of that intel. Like, it couldn't even be arsed to leave a floppy disk behind or something? I suppose no harm, no foul (aside from a bunch of Klingons and the people on that space station). Still, talk about missed opportunity.

[DoctorAction]

TMP was the first film I ever saw in the cinema. (Or second -it could be Superman that was first...)

It is quite dull but I have a soft spot for it. Interesting premise. It does have a kind of majestic vibe to it that's really nice. All the Enterprise shots are gorgeous and reverential. The 1701-A is THE spaceship, afaic.

Kirk is really the weak spot, I think. He's really bland in it. I want my (Shatner) Kirk to have loads of over the top lines and be really laughable, but he's just nothingy in it.

As the opener of a series, the 2009 movie was a much better watch.

[soupytwist]

Just a random ST thought.

DS9 is my favorite of the Treks, but........three of the core main actors are pretty awful in it.   Brooks is weird goes from sleepwalking to absolutely manic (sometimes in the same scene!).  Nana Visitor (that is such a weird name) is just way too hammy and Terry Farnell just stops acting when camera isn't focused on her!   Alexander Siddig also is pretty ropey at the start of the show - but at least he (much like his character) gets stronger as the show goes on.

[Kotowboy]

That episode where it's the crew of DS9 but in the past and they're all journalists...

When Sisko breaks down at the end - his acting is beyond hammy. It's so cringey.

[soupytwist]

That episode where it's the crew of DS9 but in the past and they're all journalists...

When Sisko breaks down at the end - his acting is beyond hammy. It's so cringey.

Yeah that's rough also playing a Bond villain in the 'Our Man Bashir' episode.......Jesus!

[El Barto]

That episode where it's the crew of DS9 but in the past and they're all journalists...

When Sisko breaks down at the end - his acting is beyond hammy. It's so cringey.

Yeah that's rough also playing a Bond villain in the 'Our Man Bashir' episode.......Jesus!

This is a recurring thing among all ST actors. They invent their characters so they're necessarily perfect at portraying them. When they're asked to play somebody outside of their main character most of them suck something awful. Good actors can pull it off. ST actors just get hammy. That's what made all of DS9's mirror universe episodes so bad. 

[Kotowboy]

Brent Spiner is absolutely perfect as Data. I fully believe he is a machine and there is no hint that he is a human actor.

Lore ? Soong ? That Masks Episode ?

Awful. He gives literally everyone but Data the exact same voice.

[DoctorAction]

DS9 also my favourite Trek but there are certainly many cringe moments. Brooks was a bizarre lead. Really unpredictable. When you see him interviewed it starts to make sense. Man's a crazy jazz cat. 😊

I mostly hate Data but love that drinking scene in Generations.

[Kotowboy]

DS9 also my favourite Trek but there are certainly many cringe moments. Brooks was a bizarre lead. Really unpredictable. When you see him interviewed it starts to make sense. Man's a crazy jazz cat. 😊

I mostly hate Data but love that drinking scene in Generations.

Avery answering all of Shatner's questions in jazz on ' The Captains '.  He's gone. I think he's on the same cloud as Lee Scratch perry.

[ReaperKK]

That episode where it's the crew of DS9 but in the past and they're all journalists...

When Sisko breaks down at the end - his acting is beyond hammy. It's so cringey.

I actually thought that was one of the best performances of the cast, especially Avery Brooks.

[soupytwist]

That Captains doc is pretty weird - Shatner is a bit of a odd ball anyway (but yeah Avery definitely out nutjobs him).

On the flipside Rene Auberjonois is amazing as Odo gives the character real pathos - maybe my favorite Star Trek performance. 

[Polarbear]

That Captains doc is pretty weird - Shatner is a bit of a odd ball anyway (but yeah Avery definitely out nutjobs him).

On the flipside Rene Auberjonois is amazing as Odo gives the character real pathos - maybe my favorite Star Trek performance.

Odo is definitely one of my favorite Star Trek characters! Along with the likes of Spock, Data, Worf, Seven and The Doctor.

[DoctorAction]

That episode where it's the crew of DS9 but in the past and they're all journalists...

When Sisko breaks down at the end - his acting is beyond hammy. It's so cringey.

I actually thought that was one of the best performances of the cast, especially Avery Brooks.

Yeah. Great episode.

And agreed on Rene / Odo. Loved him.

[El Barto]

That Captains doc is pretty weird - Shatner is a bit of a odd ball anyway (but yeah Avery definitely out nutjobs him).

On the flipside Rene Auberjonois is amazing as Odo gives the character real pathos - maybe my favorite Star Trek performance.

Can't argue about Shatner being an odd bird, but after watching that I thought he was a much better interviewer than people give him credit for. A lot of what he was doing was trying to illicit more complex answers from people after hearing something that intrigued him. He'd be listening to someone talk about something and you could see him light up when some aspect of that answer piqued his interest. He'd follow up with a story about himself that lead to exactly what he wanted to get out of the person he was talking to. What a lot of people called self-centeredness I saw as subtle manipulation. I thought it was fun to watch.