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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #245 on: November 07, 2016, 04:35:40 AM »
Good way to celebrate its 20th anniversary....... of the 30th anniversary.
That episode is such a great companion to The Trouble With Tribbles. They did an impressive job with the effects for the era.

It's clearly green screen when new actors are in front of the old footage - but when they're in the background of the old footage - that hurts my brain.

Because you can tell green screen - it has that "glow" about it. that part when sisko and dax are in the background of the old footage - it doesn't.

They've probably matched the sets and filmed from the same angle and composited...but it looks pretty seamless.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #246 on: November 08, 2016, 07:32:22 AM »
I've just started watching season 2 of Bosch on Amazon Prime, and I was pleasantly surprised to see that Jeri Ryan has a role.

She is still attractive.  And a good actress, as well.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #247 on: November 10, 2016, 08:06:21 AM »
Just saw Metamorphosis - the first appearance of Zephram Cochrane.

Ok episode. Everything has to be about lurve though :lol

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #248 on: November 10, 2016, 11:55:31 AM »
Re- Watching The Corbomite Manoeuvre again.

Right at the start - Spock doesn't sound right. " Standby to Photograph ". He sounds almost Scottish :lol

Wonder if it was ADR but Leonard wasn't available.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #249 on: November 11, 2016, 11:44:04 AM »
The Corbomite Maneuver was the first episode they filmed after the pilot. They really didn't have Spock nailed down yet. He probably yelled a couple of times in that episode, as well. I always thought it was a wonderful episode. It also would have been McCoy's first episode, and is one where he lays into Kirk harder than he normally would. They were clearly establishing that dynamic early on.

And given my fondness for nifty words and spellings, I'd love to be able to use manoeuvre, but there's no way I'd ever be able to keep the spelling straight in my head, and spellcheck is of no help. Good word, though.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #250 on: November 11, 2016, 02:38:07 PM »
Yeah I have no idea how to spell it either...


HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO ME!!!!

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #251 on: November 13, 2016, 08:13:01 AM »
I watched "The Apple" last night, really poor episode in my opinion.

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« Reply #252 on: November 13, 2016, 08:14:27 AM »
Didn't much like it myself. They rape the prime directive in that episode. :lol
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« Reply #253 on: November 13, 2016, 08:16:56 AM »
I think the called it something else in the episode :lol

But yea, Kirk played fast and loose with the Prime Directive in that episode. I loved the line:

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #254 on: November 13, 2016, 11:24:00 AM »
So with all of the criticism of JTK ignoring the prime directive, I'm curious how Picard would have dealt with these sorts of situations. How would Picard handle Val? First guess is that they never would have made the episode in the first place. Barring that, deuc ex machina. "Captain, we've located Val's homeworld. They say they'd be happy to come out and reprogram Val in a manner that better suits our ideals."
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #255 on: November 13, 2016, 11:56:26 AM »
That's a good point barto. I feel that Picard would've just left, Picard is a bigger stickler for the rules the krik

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« Reply #256 on: November 13, 2016, 12:22:41 PM »
You know, if he's just said "it ain't none of our business--fuck'em," I'd be pretty cool with it. I don't think they'd do that, though. They wouldn't make the episode to begin with unless they had some perfect, Picard-like solution to wrap it up with, even if it were quite silly.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #257 on: November 13, 2016, 12:28:02 PM »
agreed

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #258 on: November 13, 2016, 03:20:26 PM »
Watching The Motion Picture on Blu Ray.  :coolio lovely picture...

I always liked this film. It's my 4th fave of the original Movies after Khan, Country, Voyage.


It's a shame that : Stephen Collins who played Decker was a kiddy fiddler though.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #259 on: November 13, 2016, 04:30:20 PM »
It took a long time for me to get used to the pacing of TMP

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« Reply #260 on: November 13, 2016, 04:39:57 PM »
It's Fast & Furious compared to 2001 pacing.

It's slow moving but it's not *boring* in my opinion. I was engaged ( no pun intended ) the entire time.

When they reached V'Ger I couldn't believe 2 hours had gone by. I was so engrossed.

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« Reply #261 on: November 13, 2016, 04:52:54 PM »
It's Fast & Furious compared to 2001 pacing.

It's slow moving but it's not *boring* in my opinion. I was engaged ( no pun intended ) the entire time.

When they reached V'Ger I couldn't believe 2 hours had gone by. I was so engrossed.

Your points about it being a bit faster paced and not being boring are good. Your hyperbole only undercuts it. Not sure why bashing 2001 is even necessary. Pointing out that there exists slower movies doesn't make TMP better. It's still what it is.

The main problem with TMP is the vast amount of Enrerprise establishing shots. Cut those down and you got a great movie.
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« Reply #262 on: November 13, 2016, 05:16:17 PM »
TMP make me reach for smelling salts.  Star Trek is best when the soap opera and action are blended together and there was too much talking and not enough sex in this film.
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« Reply #263 on: November 13, 2016, 05:20:16 PM »
TMP make me reach for smelling salts.  Star Trek is best when the soap opera and action are blended together and there was too much talking and not enough sex in this film.

Pretty sure the guy who played Decker got plenty of that after the movie.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #264 on: November 13, 2016, 05:21:31 PM »
I try to keep that sex out of my head like


Forever! :lol

Though the pacing is very poor for a 2 hour movie.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #265 on: November 13, 2016, 05:31:06 PM »
I discovered by accident that the first 15 minutes or so is a music video. Main title theme. Klingon theme during their battle. Enterprise theme. Take that as an overture and the rest of the movie moves along just fine.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #266 on: November 13, 2016, 05:39:47 PM »
TMP make me reach for smelling salts.  Star Trek is best when the soap opera and action are blended together and there was too much talking and not enough sex in this film.

Pretty sure the guy who played Decker got plenty of that after the movie.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #267 on: November 13, 2016, 08:54:38 PM »
TMP was like an episode stretched out to a movie, which I recall it basically was. It's not terrible, but it doesn't justify its running time, being badly paced and poorly executed. At least they got the ship and the music right!
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #268 on: November 14, 2016, 04:26:54 AM »
It has a great score...

It keeps the excitement level up.

When they're standing on the saucer - the scale is all kinds of wrong. They're nearly as tall as that hump that leads up to the bridge. But hey it was 1979.

Maybe i'll watch all the films. 1 a night.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #269 on: November 14, 2016, 02:31:23 PM »
Watching Star Trek III.

I wonder why Shatner re-did the Genesis video. Maybe so they wouldn't have to pay Bibi Besch ?

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #270 on: November 15, 2016, 04:22:33 AM »
The main problem with TMP is the vast amount of Enrerprise establishing shots.

But it's sooo pretty! Andrew Probert's refit Enterprise is nothing but pure beauty and design genius that deserves to be celebrated. Add Jerry Goldsmith's music and it's basically a starship porn opera. The drydock sequence gets me every time.

So pretty!

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #271 on: November 15, 2016, 04:28:47 AM »
The main problem with TMP is the vast amount of Enrerprise establishing shots.

But it's sooo pretty! Andrew Probert's refit Enterprise is nothing but pure beauty and design genius that deserves to be celebrated. Add Jerry Goldsmith's music and it's basically a starship porn opera. The drydock sequence gets me every time.

So pretty!

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While that's all true, they did milk it out to almost 2001: A Space Odyssey levels of self indulgence. :lol
Although it's probably the best part of the movie either way.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #272 on: November 15, 2016, 04:40:00 AM »
The film is just over 2 hours and that sequence lasts 5 minutes. it's like 1/24th of the entire film.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #273 on: November 15, 2016, 04:52:04 AM »
5 whole minutes just to show the ship is a lot, regardless of how long the rest of the movie is. They might have gotten away with it if the rest of the movie picked up the pace, but it doesn't. For comparison, Star Trek Beyond only took 45 seconds to show the entire sequence of the Enterprise A being built and flying off to warp (would have loved that scene to be longer). I'd be interested in checking how long Star Trek XI took to introduce the ship, but I'm far too lazy to do that.
Secondly, Adami wasn't just talking about that one sequence. Most of the movie takes place on the Enterprise, so you see the ship a lot, like long sequences of it slowing drifting into V'ger etc. It kills what was already a really slow pace.
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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #274 on: November 15, 2016, 05:32:51 AM »
I just checked and the new Enterprise reveal in Star Trek 09 is 35 seconds.

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« Reply #275 on: November 15, 2016, 05:36:39 AM »
I recall the sequence being longer than that. Scifi/Action films move along so quickly these days!
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« Reply #276 on: November 15, 2016, 08:55:35 AM »
Like I said, it's a music video. You can really treat the first 15 minutes as an overture.
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« Reply #277 on: November 15, 2016, 09:32:22 AM »
Like I said, it's a music video. You can really treat the first 15 minutes as an overture.

On my Blu Ray at least - you get a long fanfare over a black screen even before the Paramount logo comes up. I thought my disc was defective at first.

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Re: Star Trek: Thread Space 9
« Reply #278 on: November 15, 2016, 09:35:02 AM »
You'll all kill me - but I watched The Voyage Home with Bob Orci & Alex Kurtzman's commentary. They said they were recording it whilst filming Star Trek 2009..

They make some great points about the film and star trek in general. It's a shame they couldn't put all their movie & star trek knowledge into a great script.

One funny thing was - when the Bird Of Prey returns to 2286 ( I assume ) and crash lands on the water - Orci or Kurtzman says " Interesting that you've never seen the

Enterprise in the water. . . " and lo & behold...

Just adds to the idea that Into Darkness was a collection of things they wanted to see and then join-the-dots.


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« Reply #279 on: November 15, 2016, 09:36:04 AM »
The Enterprise underwater was one of the most retarded things ever.
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