Star Trek: Thread Space 9

[El Barto]

Devil's Due is a good episode. Or at least an amusing one. As for Spock's Brain, I certainly consider it amusing. For the really crappy ones you have to go to Way to Eden, where it's as campy as possible and boring as fuck all at the same time.

[YtseJam]

For me TNG was the best series, that show evolved in such a good way that I can keep watching it over and over as the years go on. The ending of Voyager makes sense the way you explained it, at least I can comprehend it. I watched Lost and at the end I was Lost. I haven't seen the DS9 (or deep six nine as we used to call it) finale, at least that I can remember so I plan on binge watching that one next. For whatever reason I never got into Voyager, it just never grabbed me, not until 7's jugs caught my eye anyway. I'm glad I finally gave it a chance because I enjoyed most of the episodes. I never got into Enterprise either, probably just because the intro song was so bad. Was it worth watching or should I leave it as a bad memory? 

[El Barto]

If big alien knockers endear you to a show then ENT might well be worth your time.

Honestly, it's just like all the rest of them. There are plenty of bad, average, and good episodes. The difference is in the ratio. ENT certainly has more bad ones than good, but there certainly are some that are good.

And I really think if they went with a normal theme song they'd have gotten at least another season out of it.

[abydos]

I loved Enterprise. It was an interesting perspective on ST and I liked seeing how they would deal with situations with crappy technology and allowing for the crew to make mistakes from which to learn from.

[Polarbear]

Despite having a few shining moments, Enterprise was mostly straight to DVD level garbage.

I do like Scott Bakula as an actor, but he was not at his best here, to say the least!

I have only seen the first two episodes of Discovery, and i already like it more than ENT. And the pilot for DIS, was not that great .

[BlobVanDam]

I'd still say the best of Discovery is the equivalent of an average Enterprise episode. For every fault that Enterprise suffers from, Discovery suffers them tenfold, and Enterprise still managed some great Trek episodes, especially in the second half of its run.

[jingle.boy]

If big alien knockers endear you to a show then ENT might well be worth your time.

That was my first thought too.

[YtseJam]

Who doesn't love big alien knockers? 

[Polarbear]

This was pretty funny!

https://youtu.be/v3Nv2R9Acec

[YtseJam]

 

[jingle.boy]

This was pretty funny!

https://youtu.be/v3Nv2R9Acec

"The Captain's Log isn't the only wood he's packing!"   

[rumborak]

Yesterday's episode was ok I thought, albeit a bit confusing. Definitely looking forward to seeing Q'onos!

My pet theory is that the Admiral is actually Mirror Universe Admiral. It makes no sense to me otherwise that she would elevate the Emperor straight to captain of the Discovery. Also, her "shush" order on arrival seems to play into that.

[YtseJam]

How many more episodes are there going to be for season 1? i saw that season 2 doesn't come out until 2019

[BlobVanDam]

This next episode is the season finale.

[YtseJam]

Yeah I found that out right after I posted. Why are they waiting until 2019 for season 2? I know after tonight I'll be canceling the CBS all access subscription. Seems like a long time to drag it out with nothing happening.

[BlobVanDam]

The Orions were too pale green dammit!

I believe Clint Howard now has the record for longest time between Star Trek appearances, now beating Nimoy. (even including The Cage)
Not that I really count Discovery as Trek, but I'd say the same thing of Into Darkness concerning Nimoy, so we'll call it even.

Cheesy as fuck ending with the lame attempt to tie in with TOS, but at least the Enterprise looked relatively unbastardized compared to the rest of the show. Is that actually going to be part of next season, or was it just supposed to be a fun ending, and next season will be a different story? Everything wrapped up so neatly that it doesn't seem like they'd continue this particular story and are perhaps going with the anthology idea after all. The ending was just way too clean cut to be worth continuing now imo.

[soupytwist]

Average finale to a pretty decent show overall.  I'd rank it higher than Voyager and Enterprise already.

[BlobVanDam]

I'd still take Enterprise over this garbage any day of the week. And it's got nothing on Voyager or any other real Trek series.

And whether it continues or not, I'm annoyed they didn't come up with a reason to ditch that stupid spore drive once and for all. Obviously this kind of drive is not viable in the future, and there needs to be a good reason beyond "Starfleet don't want to use people", because there are so many situations where that is not a reasonable excuse. It's dumb fantasy pseudo-science that has no place as a major story arc, and it makes no sense scientifically or visually. Why does the entire saucer section spin along he Y axis but then the entire ship spins around the Z axis? The VFX guys clearly don't give a shit.

[soupytwist]

I'd still take Enterprise over this garbage any day of the week. And it's got nothing on Voyager or any other real Trek series.

I let you tell me off for using 'Disco' earlier.  Now I can tell you off for the horrific 'real Trek' usage    

Surely you can at least agree Saru was awesome? 

[BlobVanDam]

I gave Saru credit from the start in this thread as the only likable character at the time Doug Jones does a great job as always.

And what's horrific about saying real Trek? This show is absolutely not prime universe regardless of what they say, so therefore I don't consider it real Trek.

[soupytwist]

And what's horrific about saying real Trek? This show is absolutely not prime universe regardless of what they say, so therefore I don't consider it real Trek.

It's angry fan nonsense.  Belongs in the same corner of the net as 'Doctor Who died Christmas 2017' silliness, and boycotting Craig's Bond because he's Blonde (and therefore not real Bond).  It's pure Comic Book Guy!

[BlobVanDam]

Not really. This show is very evidently not the same universe as previous shows.

For the record, I'm very much looking forward to seeing the 13th Doctor Jodie Whitaker. And Daniel Craig is real Bond, just not a good one.

[soupytwist]

For the record, I'm very much looking forward to seeing the 13th Doctor Jodie Whitaker. And Daniel Craig is real Bond, just not a good one.

I know, I've seen you post in the Doctor Who thread.  I'm not saying your one of those types, I'm saying your better than that   

I thought Craig was going to be awesome after Casino Royale....alas.   

[BlobVanDam]

I know you weren't saying I was one of those types, just wanted to say it anyway.
And despite my opinion of Craig, I've still enjoyed his movies a lot (for the most part).

[YtseJam]

I'd still take Enterprise over this garbage any day of the week. And it's got nothing on Voyager or any other real Trek series.

And whether it continues or not, I'm annoyed they didn't come up with a reason to ditch that stupid spore drive once and for all. Obviously this kind of drive is not viable in the future, and there needs to be a good reason beyond "Starfleet don't want to use people", because there are so many situations where that is not a reasonable excuse. It's dumb fantasy pseudo-science that has no place as a major story arc, and it makes no sense scientifically or visually. Why does the entire saucer section spin along he Y axis but then the entire ship spins around the Z axis? The VFX guys clearly don't give a shit.

I retried Enterprise again and can barely get through the intro song let alone get into an episode. They seem quite boring so I'd definitely take Discovery any day. I didn't like the ending too much, seeing lots of fan boys saying it was epic. I don't get the epic thing, in fact I took a dump this morning that was more memorable and epic. I find some of Discovery hard to hear or follow what the hell they're doing without rewinding. I never had that issue with TNG. Maybe I've killed too many brain cells

[BlobVanDam]

People need to just get over Enterprise's theme song already. FFS it's just an intro, and it's not that bad.
But yeah, the first couple of seasons of Enterprise are generally quite dull and derivative of earlier Trek, but at least it's Trek. And S3 and 4 have some great stuff (just forget the finale exists ). On my rewatch I just skipped ahead to S3.

Enterprise is highly flawed, and not particularly good as a whole, but for every fault it has, Discovery has tenfold imo. And I'll take Phlox over anyone from the Discovery crew any day. Heck, I'd probably take Porthos over the Discovery crew, and I'm not even a dog person.

[soupytwist]

For me it's Voyager than the weakest show - by some way to be honest. 
It should have been much more interesting, but fued between the Federation and the Maquis cold have been really interesting, but they killed it dead after the pilot.   Neelix the single worst character in the Trek universe, Cardboard Kim and Chakotay were dreadfully boring - there was no real highlight seasons where the show got good.  Just Berman and Braga blandness thoughout.

[BlobVanDam]

Voyager improved a decent amount once they ditched the awful Kazon for S3, and improved dramatically with S4, with many episodes on par with the best of Trek. It's a shame it didn't make use of it's original premise with the Maquis, but once you judge it for what it is instead of what it's not, it's some great Trek.

Many of the characters weren't great, like Tom, and Kim, but Trek has never been known for having overly charismatic casts, and they focused on the strong characters in later seasons. Neelix is very underrated though! He's a lovable space rat man. Chakotay was the absolute shits though.

[soupytwist]

If Wesley had an identical twin, in both appearance and personality - I'd take Wesley and Wisley over Neelix.
90% of the time he's an annoying fluffy mister jovial kids character.  Then Bam! he's a suddenly a jealous wanker, who gets angry with anyone who shows interest in the kids he's been grooming.   Dude's a total fake (or more likely  just badly written.... )

[BlobVanDam]

NOBODY is worse than Wesley. Lies and hyperbole!

I just came up with an awesome idea. The next season of Discovery can have a Captain / Admiral Crusher or something, an ancestor of Wesley played by Wil Wheaton. His character will get brutally killed or jettisoned out of an airlock etc.

[soupytwist]

Neelix would have groomed the shit out of naive Wesley if they'd ever met.



"W-w-what just h-happened Mister Neelix?  did I stroke it wrong?"

[Polarbear]

  What episode is that from?

I still have only seen first 2 episodes of Discovery, and the pilot was decent. Broken Bow really set the stage for Enterprise. It felt like a fan made parody. Enterprise does get better in season 3, but I'm really struggling to find a singe great episode. in fact it feels very similar to the Orville, but Orville is very self aware of it's gags and humor. Enterprise was unintentionally funny!

Discovery based on the pilot, is already better than Enterprise. But it doesn't hold a candle to TNG, DS9 etc.

[El Barto]

What episode is that from?

I still have only seen first 2 episodes of Discovery, and the pilot was decent. Broken Bow really set the stage for Enterprise. It felt like a fan made parody. Enterprise does get better in season 3, but I'm really struggling to find a singe great episode. in fact it feels very similar to the Orville, but Orville is very self aware of it's gags and humor. Enterprise was unintentionally funny!

Discovery based on the pilot, is already better than Enterprise. But it doesn't hold a candle to TNG, DS9 etc.

Similitude. After that, E2, First Flight, Observer Effect, and Carbon Creek are all very good episodes. Personally, I didn't much care for the tone of the overall series. They seemed to want to make a show for modern audiences, and I'm the furthest thing from a modern audience. There were still some good ones in there. In the meantime the JJ movies, and from the 120 seconds of it I've seen, STD both seem to be tailored even more for people that aren't me. The tone and the stylism just suck.

Speaking of which, I tried to watch a few scenes from the last three movies the other night and noticed another thing that just pisses me off. There's a scene that's supposed to be dramatic where Pike chews Kirk out and relieves him of command. They set up these nice two shots so we can see some nuance, and instead of letting them act and show us how they feel the camera bounces around like some idiot teenage girl with a cellphone trying to film herself jerking off. Why even pay actors anymore? Sadly, we're at a point where younger people have to feel like they're inside the movie. Simply watching a good story isn't enough for modern low attention span audiences.

[BlobVanDam]

Definitely agreed on E2, Similitude, and Carbon Creek. I don't remember the other two well enough off the top of my head. I also like Doctor's Orders and Carpenter Street a lot. They're not very original episodes, but I really enjoy them.

Modern movies in general just have no sense of pace when it comes to emotion and dialogue. Gotta keep throwing action sequences at the audience so they don't get distracted by their phones.

[El Barto]

Really hated Doctor's Orders. Nearly as much as the VOY episode they ripped it off from. I just don't like episodes that revolve entirely around a single person.

And I wouldn't mind the need to keep jumping to action sequences, but the action sequences are just as bad about needing to put the ADD viewers into the middle of it. You can't even tell who's shooting at who anymore. Enterprise vs Reliant is an action sequence, yet it's paced in such a way that there's tension. You understand what both ships are doing. Once you get to JJ's movies you're just floating in space while shit flies around you so fast you can't comprehend. I always hated that phasers became blasters in his movies. It makes sense, though. Phasers are too slow to be chaotic and confusing, and that's what he relies upon.