Post your controversial music opinions v. I couldn't find the previous one

[Zantera]

Oh, gotcha 

Moving on then!

New opinion:
I started listening to more classic punk today, and after considering myself a prog guy for the longest time, I know have to admit that there's plenty of punk out there worth listening to.

Maybe it's time to fiiiiinally check out Cardiacs then?

[Super Dude]

Oh, gotcha 

Moving on then!

New opinion:
I started listening to more classic punk today, and after considering myself a prog guy for the longest time, I know have to admit that there's plenty of punk out there worth listening to.

Do yourself a favor and check out some 80s hardcore punk: Black Flag, DYS, Bad Brains, Minor Threat, MDC, and Bad Religion for starters.

[Kotowboy]

Out of those I like Bad Religion the most.

Do Minor Threat sound like Fugazi ?

[ReaperKK]

- First one that comes to mind is that Steve Wilson was at his best when he was in Porcupine Tree. He wasn't in complete control (probably 95% in control ) but that was for the best. SW solo material is simply boring apart from a few good tunes.

- The Astonishing is terrible, it's on the same level of disappointment as when dredg release Chuckles & Mr. Squeezy

[Kotowboy]

The Astonishing isn't St Anger levels of disappointment surely ?

[Zantera]

I wouldn't say The Astonishing was on par with Chuckles in terms of disappointment, because the self-titled Dream Theater album was so bad that there were no expectations left. At least Dredg put out a quality album before screwing us over.

[King Postwhore]

- First one that comes to mind is that Steve Wilson was at his best when he was in Porcupine Tree. He wasn't in complete control (probably 95% in control ) but that was for the best. SW solo material is simply boring apart from a few good tunes.

Defriended. 

[Kotowboy]

i don't get it.

The Astonishing was nicely produced. Had great songs and playing. It's not like St Anger where each song is 4 minutes stretched to 8 minutes with sloppy playing , singing and terrible production.

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

- Radiohead are the most important band of the post-classic rock era

This should almost be common sense, tbh. Or at least to have them in the conversation.

[bosk1]

- The Astonishing is terrible, it's on the same level of disappointment as when dredg release Chuckles & Mr. Squeezy

I would call your attention to rule #12:

12. Insults or senseless bashing of the current or former band members of Dream Theater and/or their music will not be tolerated.  Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it is constructive and does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.

Just because this is a "controversial opinion" thread does not mean the rules go out the window.  Watch how you post.

[Crow]

tbh the "music" part of that rule is unsettlingly hivemind-y. and either you apply it to every band ever mentioned on site or you remove it completely, this being a dt forum doesn't automatically exclude them. Just my honest opinion.

[ReaperKK]

i don't get it.

The Astonishing was nicely produced. Had great songs and playing. It's not like St Anger where each song is 4 minutes stretched to 8 minutes with sloppy playing , singing and terrible production.

St. Anger wasn't terrible, it had like 3 pretty good songs on it.

[Skeever]

i don't get it.

The Astonishing was nicely produced. Had great songs and playing. It's not like St Anger where each song is 4 minutes stretched to 8 minutes with sloppy playing , singing and terrible production.

Hm, lot of things I could say in response to this, but I don't want to break the rules.

But overall I agree. The Astonishing was hardly a disappointment. I didn't like it, but it was better than I expected it to be after the unearthed the concept.

[Kotowboy]

No I enjoy St. Anger in small doses.

[ReaperKK]

I wouldn't say The Astonishing was on par with Chuckles in terms of disappointment, because the self-titled Dream Theater album was so bad that there were no expectations left. At least Dredg put out a quality album before screwing us over.

I didn't think the self-titled was that bad. I think I liked it more than ADTOE.

As far as the dredg comment, I think I may have to take some of that back. Chuckles had some good tracks on there that I listen to from time to time. I think coming off 3 amazing albums the expectations were a little high on my end.

[Kotowboy]

Ok here we go :

A Dramatic Turn Of Events > The Astonishing > DT12

[LieLowTheWantedMan]

The self-titled is the epitome of an auto-pilot album to me. I'd rather have something like The Astonishing where they're at least trying to do something big (even if admittedly I severely dislike the result).

Ok here we go :

A Dramatic Turn Of Events > The Astonishing > DT12

Yep. I still really like A Dramatic Turn of Events.

[Super Dude]

- First one that comes to mind is that Steve Wilson was at his best when he was in Porcupine Tree. He wasn't in complete control (probably 95% in control ) but that was for the best. SW solo material is simply boring apart from a few good tunes.

- The Astonishing is terrible, it's on the same level of disappointment as when dredg release Chuckles & Mr. Squeezy

I see nothing wrong with any of this. Carry on.

[millahh]

As far as the dredg comment, I think I may have to take some of that back. Chuckles had some good tracks on there that I listen to from time to time. I think coming off 3 amazing albums the expectations were a little high on my end.

I think the impact of Chuckles was amplified because they haven't put out anything since then...had it been the one-off experiment, and then hey continued on as before, I would feel differently about it.

[Sacul]

in the court of the crimson king is overrated, it's decent at best by modern standards
and don't go "well it was amazing at the time" because i didn't hear it in 1969 

I think it's still awesome today and has a very strong songwriting

Also listen to the SW remix, it's marvellous.

On Radiohead not playing Creep, I think they must be really tired of that song these days

[ReaperKK]

As far as the dredg comment, I think I may have to take some of that back. Chuckles had some good tracks on there that I listen to from time to time. I think coming off 3 amazing albums the expectations were a little high on my end.

I think the impact of Chuckles was amplified because they haven't put out anything since then...had it been the one-off experiment, and then hey continued on as before, I would feel differently about it.

I still take a peak over at the traversing board every once in a while and there are some talk of some new material (maybe). All the guys have regular day jobs aside from Mark who is doing the Black Map thing right now.

I kind of view Chuckles the same, it was an experiment with Dan and one that didn't really click for me.

[ChuckSteak]

- The Astonishing is terrible, it's on the same level of disappointment as when dredg release Chuckles & Mr. Squeezy

I would call your attention to rule #12:

12. Insults or senseless bashing of the current or former band members of Dream Theater and/or their music will not be tolerated.  Honest, open critique is always allowed, provided it is constructive and does not cross the line and become bashing, belittling, etc.

Just because this is a "controversial opinion" thread does not mean the rules go out the window.  Watch how you post.

What's the difference in saying "The Astonishing is DT's worse album by far." and "The Astonishing is terrible."? The word "terrible" is not an insult or senseless bashing, but an opinion and in no way belittling. Well, that's how I see it.

[SoundscapeMN]

- The Astonishing is terrible, it's on the same level of disappointment as  The Great Misdirect or The Whirlwind

fixed.

[Crow]

i didn't know dredg released those albums

[gazinwales]

- First one that comes to mind is that Steve Wilson was at his best when he was in Porcupine Tree. He wasn't in complete control (probably 95% in control ) but that was for the best. SW solo material is simply boring apart from a few good tunes.

- The Astonishing is terrible, it's on the same level of disappointment as when dredg release Chuckles & Mr. Squeezy

Agreed, PT was great, but solo stuff isn't anywhere near the same quality.
I think he is vastly overrated at everything, singing is average, guitar playing okay, mixing and producing nothing special.
I am not saying he isn't talented, he is, but when he is referred to as a 'genius' I disagree strongly.

[?]

Anathema's best album is Alternative 4.

Yup.

Also, Peter Gabriel's solo career >>>>>>>>>>> Genesis

[Tomislav95]

DT12 - best DT album since 6DOIT

[Kwyjibo]

The Big 4 of Thrash metal should be in this order quality wise:

Anthrax
Megadeth
Slayer
Metallica

And John Bush is better than Belladonna, although Belladonna has improved mightily on Worship Music and For All Kings, but Sounds Of White Noise is still not a good Anthrax record. The best Bush fronted Anthrax is Stomp 442 followed by We've Come For You All.

Skunkworks is amazing because it has great songs and is really different from what Dickinson has done before and after.

Devin Townsend has never again reached the quality of Ocean Machine and his output since Synchestra is very hit and miss.

Lars Ulrich may be an influential drummer but he never was a good one. Even when he's playing tight.

Queensryche's Q2K is better than Hear In The Now Frontier, better than the Tateryche records after that and on par (or sometimes even better) than Promised Land.

[Super Dude]

DT12 - almost worse than WDADU

FTFM

[MirrorMask]

Skunkworks is amazing because it has great songs and is really different from what Dickinson has done before and after.

Agreed! but all Bruce's "unusual" albums are great, even that half-joke of Tattoed Millionaire has at least 3-4 brilliant songs, and the best by far is Son of a Gun.

[Prog Snob]

Ok here we go :

A Dramatic Turn Of Events > The Astonishing > DT12

This I agree with. Though, sometimes I prefer TA over ADTOE.

[Kotowboy]

Ok here we go :

A Dramatic Turn Of Events > The Astonishing > DT12

This I agree with. Though, sometimes I prefer TA over ADTOE.

I think Astonishing has better highs but since ADTOE is shorter - it's more consistent.

If ADTOE had The Astonishing's production = Top 3 album.

[Train of Naught]

Ok here it comes, the most controversial of all opinions








The Astonishing > WDADU

It's that good

[Prog Snob]

Ok here we go :

A Dramatic Turn Of Events > The Astonishing > DT12

This I agree with. Though, sometimes I prefer TA over ADTOE.

I think Astonishing has better highs but since ADTOE is shorter - it's more consistent.

If ADTOE had The Astonishing's production = Top 3 album.

I don't feel the production is so bad that it ruins the album for me.

[Kotowboy]

It doesn't but the drums are a bit low and it's a bit muffled overall.