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Re: Parama's Spontaneous Roulette v1.5 (FINAL ROUND LISTENING)
« Reply #910 on: September 21, 2016, 11:58:27 PM »
ok i'll do this soon i swear.
have really been feeling exhausted today, and writing is actually pretty tough when you are exhausted

hopefully friday i can have results up ???
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Re: Parama's Spontaneous Roulette v1.5 (FINAL ROUND LISTENING)
« Reply #911 on: September 22, 2016, 12:27:55 AM »
Just end my misery already.

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« Reply #912 on: September 22, 2016, 01:02:43 AM »
it's my fault for hosting an EP round tbh. the one in my first one didn't go spectacularly and i can't say i'm particularly impressed by either EP this time either but w/e my fault for hosting this thing.

i dunno if i'll even run a roulette next year at this rate, it's really draining and this one's been relatively disappointing all things considered
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« Reply #913 on: September 22, 2016, 03:58:58 AM »
So basically one of us just screwed up a little more than the other?  :lol
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« Reply #914 on: September 23, 2016, 11:45:03 PM »
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iamthemorning Ė I Came Before the Water (Part 1)

First Impressions:
Well, itís a simple and brief intro. The vocals are maybe a bit shrill for my tastes but on the whole this is pleasant enough. Not reallyÖ much else to say, especially on a time crunch!

Final Thoughts:
As an intro track, Iíd say this does set the tone pretty well. Some lovely string-heavy textures and a lonely vocal line. Very brief though. Iím still not sure Iím a huge fan of the vocals, but theyíreÖ alright. But as a song by itself, this really just doesnít have much time to even offer much, unfortunately. And I donít have the time to say much more, either. This would probably work better in the context of its own album, and it feels a bit unfair to judge it here on its own, but thatís the roulette format, I suppose.

5.5/10 (#17 of 18)



Serious Black Ė I Seek No Other Life

First Impressions:
I legitimately canít tell these vocals apart from Avantasia or Blind Guardian. It sounds like the exact same singer. Iím not particularly noticing any other qualities about this song at all, either. The vocals take center stage pretty heavily. Most of the guitar work is background chugging, the drums are straightforward and energetic but pretty standard. Well okay there is one solid riff and the guitar soloís fine enough. This is basically the kind of song that I donít mind listening to but doesnít stand out enough in any way for me to really remember much about it, I feel.

Final Thoughts:
Yes, the contrast between the previous song and this one is suitably jarring and I know you did that on purpose. As for the song itself. Uhh. I saidÖ basically everything there is to say in my first impressions writeup. Thereís a decent amount of power and energy to this that I can kind of get caught up in if I donít think about it too much. But if I do think about it too much I tend to notice how spectacularly standard this song is in every way.

I wonít say thatís necessarily a bad thing to be, but for me, yeahÖ you know I like my unique, memorable stuff quite well and this just doesnít do it for me in any real way. But I mean, I donít particularly dislike it either, itís just unlikely Iíll ever remember it.

6/10 (#15 of 18)



ŃrstŪūir Ė Ages

First Impressions:
Really liking the vocal harmonies at the start here for some reason, canít put my finger on why but theyíre nice. The song does a solid job of being dynamic enough even when maintaining a quiet mood. The strings help too, always nice. A bit of a simple track and maybe not especially satisfying as a ballad but itís nice enough.

Final Thoughts:
Yeah, the vocals are the clear highlight of this track, the harmonizations are pretty strong and both voices are rather pleasant on the ears naturally. And the vocals have a nice build to them throughout, while still being anchored on a main melody.

The repeating guitar line throughout this is probably the element I like the least, itís a bit too repetitive in its structure and a bit generic too. Itís the kind of guitar line always used to give things a bit of a folky feel, which it accomplishes here I suppose, but it isnít especially interesting on its own. The strings and horns and piano and everything else though, they create a great atmosphere for the vocals to play off of.

It does feel like the track ends a bit anticlimactically, or ends before it really hits its stride, or something along those lines. It doesnít have any climax to build to, I suppose, which is probably its biggest failing, but that aside itís an enjoyable enough track, though I canít say it hits me especially hard.

7.25/10 (#9 of 18)



David Gilmour Ė Faces of Stone

First Impressions:
The somber piano intro is pretty effective if I say so myself. I really like that kind of sound in general, though. I thought this was going to be a straightforward ballad at first but thereís circus music or something in the background for some reason? Which isÖ an interesting choice. I guess itís more like polka though? Or something? I dunno. The guitar solo is, unsurprisingly, pretty great. I mean, itís David Gilmour here. The song feels like it lacks a climax though, and ends a bit unceremoniously. On the whole I like this, though there are some weird choices and it feels like it lacksÖ something, to make it really work.

Final Thoughts:
Honestly that verse is so out of place here. Whatís that weird melody doing anywhere near the rest of this song? Why is there polka? This doesnít even work with this part of the song, much less the rest of the song that surrounds it, which is a more straightforward ballad track. Sure, the weird bits give it flavor, butÖ flavor in a bad way, Iíd say.

The rest of the song though is quite good, really. I really like the piano intro, probably more than any other part of the song, and I canít put my finger on why. The guitar solos are both quite solid, especially the longer one near the end, and thereís a pretty solid moment of build after the first brief solo. I think that bit was supposed to serve as the climax? But it comes too early and doesnít hit hard enough. The outro solo could also be the climax, but it never feels like it reaches the peak of what itís building too and fades out before it gets the chance.

Itís a bit of a malformed song in that regards, and with regards to the random polka on the verses as well. Thereís parts of this song that I like, but it just doesnít feel particularly well thought-out or stitched together right.

Also, I never commented on the vocals I guess. Theyíre fine. Never been a massive fan of Gilmour as a singer, but heís fine here, sure.

6.75/10 (#12 of 18)



Primal Fear Ė When Death Comes Knocking

First Impressions:
Yeah, will already agree with what you said in your essay, this is much more up my alley than Serious Black. This song, for one, has riffs! And the riffs have a strong groove to them, which I dig. Also really liking that chorus. Though Iím not finding much else to talk about here. The sitar (?) bit in the middle is fine albeit maybe a bit clichť at this point really. On the whole itís a solid metal tune though, sure. May need more listens to really pick it apart though.

Final Thoughts:
The transition from the previous song into this one works pretty well with that quiet intro. It gives a bit of breathing room before the song kicks in. Though honestly this isnít especially heavy, but that main riff does have a really nice groove to it.

I said I might need more listens to pick it apart, butÖ no, this is definitely a ďwhat you see is what you getĒ kind of song. Thereís not a ton of meat on the bones of this track, but Iím alright with that when the main basis of the song, namely that main riff and that chorus, are both pretty strong.

The only bit of flavor comes in the sitar bit in the middle and the way the crushing guitars play off it, and while, yeah, itís a bit standard for this kind of power metal track, itís executed well enough to be interesting regardless. The guitar solo is pretty solid too, though thereís a weird bit where it sounds like itís about to end but then goes on for a few more measures, and those last few measures are maybe a bit disposable in comparison to the rest.

But yeah. Pretty basic song structure here and I could see myself getting tired of this one if you gave me more time to spin it, but as it is I do like this a decent bit.

7.5/10 (#5 of 18)



Mark Knopfler Ė Kingdom of Gold

First Impressions:
Folk music wasnít what I expected from this artist but sure I can roll with it. Ahh, hmm. This is probably a very nitpicky thing and it came up with The Flower Kings before but. Vocalists that just sound reallyÖ old, I always have trouble with. Itís just simply not a style I like. And I worry thatís going to hold true here. Musically this song is fine enough, pretty solid though not hitting me especially hard, so hopefully the vocals grow on me because theyíre not doing much for me right now.

Final Thoughts:
Önnnnnope. Donít like those vocals at all. Just doesnít do it for me. It doesnít help that the vocal melody itself is reeeally repetitive, and the same melody that the flute and violin around it plays too. That melody is the only thing I ever remember about this because itís a bit hammered in. But really the problem here is just the timbre of his voice. Itís too gravelly and deep for me, itís just specifically a style that has little appeal to me. I wouldnít say heís a bad singer or anything, just not what Iím looking for.

Of course, the vocals dominate a lot of this song, and what they donít dominate is mostly dominated by the flute and violin line that, while it has a decent amount of swell to it, gets old pretty quick on multiple listens. Thereís a lot of parts of this song that sound fairly empty and only a few points where the song really builds to anything; the bit near 4:15 has a nice build going, a climax that some of the other songs on this EP have lacked, but itís pretty brief.

I just donít feel thereís much about this song that makes me want to come back to it. Musically itís little else besides flute and violin driving one melody and the occasional buildup, and the vocals are simply not my style. Gonna have to call this one a definite miss, I think.

4.5/10 (#18 of 18)



David Gilmour Ė A Pocketful of Stones

First Impressions:
Gilmour really likes his stones, huh? Comedy. Musically this is leaning more towardsÖ classical than anything else. Piano and strings and all. Though the strings especially are what makes me feel that, with the way theyíre arranged. Itís again a pretty mellow song and again feels like itís missing a real climax, but itís pleasant enough regardless? Again the guitar solo is pretty solid, as well.

Final Thoughts:
This song has one major thing over the other Gilmour song on this EP: no polka. Nothing to break the mood or feel horribly out of place. I already like it more simply on that basis alone.

Thereís anÖ interesting atmosphere to this song. Itís very tense, Iíd say. The slow atmospheric buildup, the very melancholic strings and pianos behind the vocals, the vocal melodies that sound kind of like a ballad track from a stage play, in the sense that thereís some kind of hopeful sound to them, that the music significantly undercuts in the best way.

Again though this is definitely lacking a climax to tie everything all together. It does build up at a few points and the guitar solo has some swell behind it, but it never feels like it reaches the peak that it should, and cuts off kind of abruptly at the end.

I would say I do like this, but it again doesnít hit me especially hard and Iím not sure Iím going to remember it very well. Pleasant enough song though, sure.

7.25/10 (#7 of 18)



Trail of Murder Ė Your Silence

First Impressions:
What is it about power metal singers that make them all sound so similar? That holds for both male and female vocals by the way. This guy sounds really similar to the Vanden Plas guy. I mean, I donít really mean that as an insult as he sounds fine enough, butÖ ehh, whatever. Anyways. The riffs and groove of this one are pretty solid and thereís a nice amount of dynamics to it. It doesnít feel particularly fresh but itís fine on the whole. Not much else to say.

Final Thoughts:
This song finds a nice balance between the Serious Black song and the Primal Fear song, in that its riffs have a nice amount of groove, but also more energy than the latter. The drums kind of keep that energy going throughout the verse, too, even with the quieter, more subtle sound. And I also really dig the punchy chugging that cuts through the atmosphere of the second verse. Itís a neat way to mix things up a little.

The chorus of this one is a little underwhelming though. Doesnít really feel like it has much power to it, the vocal lines arenít very memorable, itís basically overshadowed by every other part of the song. The guitar solo here is pretty tasteful, a decent balance of shred and melodic hooks, doesnít go on too long and isnít overindulgent, I dig it.

As with all the other metal tracks here, there isnít a ton to this one, itís pretty simple, but as a straightforward metal song Iím pretty fine with it. I feel like Iíd grow tired of this one a little less quickly than Primal Fear but I also donít like it quite as much at the moment.

7.25/10 (#10 of 18)



Temperance Ė Change the Rhyme

First Impressions:
Second time Iíve been unable to find a song anywhere online (edit: the album is out now so never mind), though that could be because this albumís not out yet apparently. Anyways. Big bombastic intro you got there, huh? This is like the first song to have female vocals since the iamthemorning track, I think, a surprising lack of those coming from you. I uhh. Canít find much else to say about this though. Itís a pretty solid symphonic metal track. The strings and piano and whatnot are all used pretty well and give the song a really organic feel that I quite like. Donít know if it will be particularly memorable though.

Final Thoughts:
Actually, the vocals on this track are probably my favorite on any track here besides the ŃrstŪūir track, given further listens. The chorus here is a bit strange and ends on this kind of jagged melody that I weirdly dig.

Itís cool how this song continues building up every moment until about the midpoint; the first chorus outdoing the first verse, the second verse outdoing that chorus, and then the second chorus really exploding into life. It gives the song a really strong sense of direction. And the bridge that follows the chorus is pretty solid too, having a second singer in there helps. The little break before the final chorus, that little bit of breathing room, really helps the final chorus hit with more power, too. Without that itíd just be a wall of sound from the middle to the back of the track. Smart touch, that.

What I wish this song did better was its riffs, though, I canít say there are any compelling riffs here. The piano and strings do help carry the song musically, and the quieter moments have some neat touches as well, but itís a very vocal-centric song by design. Still like it a decent bit, but like the other metal tracks here, would probably get tired of it given more listens. Solid.

7.25/10 (#8 of 18)



iamthemorning Ė Lighthouse

First Impressions:
So this is the song your competition gave a 9.25, huh? Letís see then. The freeflowing piano work here at the start is pretty nice. Thus far though Iím kind ofÖ waiting for the song to really start? Thus far it feels a bit empty, I suppose. I guess thatís just what the song is though. Gentle, subtle, somber. Thatís fine to be. Oh, never mind, the song does kick in when Mariusz joins the party. Will freely admit heís never been one of my favorite singers or anything but heís fine and he creates a nice counterpoint to the female vocals here. The last two minutes here are definitely more my style than the first four but itís solid on the whole. Probably not a 9.25 though, sorry.

Final Thoughts:
I can see the appeal of this, sure. I guess, for me, the watery piano throughout a lot of this song, the lack of any consistent rhythm, doesnít particularly work for me though. Especially when a lot of it feels like, not a unison between the piano and vocals, but a tradeoff, two elements not really working in harmony in any real way.

The song does come together a bit more on the chorus, having a consistent rhythm and a solid vocal melody. And the chorus at the end with drums and strings and the addition of a second singer, it works pretty well. The two vocalists work off each other pretty well and the vocal melody the chorus is based around is really pretty nice, yeah. And the song gets points for actually having a solid climax to make the song really feel complete.

But as a wholeÖ most of this just kind of bores me, sadly. Iíll gladly listen to the last two minutes but that leaves an entire third of the song that just doesnít do a ton for me. And even the last two minutes arenít spectacular, just pretty good. I do wish I liked this more than I do, itís a bit unfortunate really.

6.5/10 (#14 of 18)



Overall EP thoughts:
I can kind of see where youíre coming from with this EP; the quieter tunes are all diverse enough to stand out, and the metal tunes are all diverse enough to stand out, nothing here ever really got too confused in my mind. Itís mostly just a shame that not a single track on this EP really does a lot for me, though thereís only one I actively dislike, and itís not, awful or anything.

As far as flow and structure goes, I think you did a pretty decent job. The brief intro track sets the stage, and, well, the Serious Black song kind of destroys it, but the rest of the songs flow together pretty well, and thereís a balance between the quieter and louder tracks to keep things dynamic.

Itís a pretty well-constructed EP, I wouldnít say thereís any one song here that feels like a notable outlier from the rest, though obviously thereís a bit of a gap between the metal tracks and the ballads, but not one wide enough to create a disconnect, and it mostly just creates a nice sense of dynamics.

8/10
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« Reply #915 on: September 23, 2016, 11:45:24 PM »
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Ludovico Einaudi Ė Primavera

First Impressions:
Itís really impressive that you managed to send not one but two songs from artists I received in my first rouletteís EP round, and on top of that two of the lowest scoring ones, so uhh, hopefully these are better songs? Anyways, for classical-type stuff this is pretty fine. Iíll fully admit that this isnít my usual fare though. And it serves as a pretty nice intro too. I donít know what to say about it, itís well orchestrated of course and sounds pleasant enough, but it just feels like itís missing an emotional factor to me. Which is a feeling I often get from classical music, donít really know why but. Yeah.

Final Thoughts:
All things considered, this seems like a weird thing to send me in particular. But, maybe not that weird, since seneca sent the same artist as the opener of his EP and he won the roulette. Not because of the Ludovico Einaudi song he sent me though, in fact it was one of my least favorite tracks of the round. I wouldnít say the same about this track though.

I do think this song does have a pretty nice sense of build to it, it starts off soft and somber and gradually builds up to, for classical, a pretty satisfying level of intensity. Thereís definitely some degree of power to it, for sure. The fast string lines build a great sense of tension when the build reaches its peak.

It is definitely a bit longer than Iíd want it to be though; cut the length of this track in half and Iíd like it a lot more, especially since a lot of the second half feels like retreading ideas from the first half in a not particularly interesting way. The climax at the end of the track is a bit bigger than the one near the middle of the track, but not by a lot, and itís a lot of the same general string lines.

Thatís about as many coherent thoughts as I think Iíll be able to put together for this. Like I said, not really my genre, but this is certainly fine enough, I wouldnít mind listening to it again, though it sort of feels like I listen to it twice every time I listen to it once, soÖ

7/10 (#11 of 18)



*Shels Ė The Conference Of The Birds

First Impressions:
Transition to this from the previous track works really nicely. And Iím pretty okay with how this starts, a straightforward post-rock feel but itís got a nice amount of texture to it. Yeah, definitely feels pretty straightforward and pretty simple thus far about halfway in. And then oops itís a lot heavier all of the sudden, sure. This feels like the kind of song that works better in the context of an album than as a song on its own, really, but for what it is I do enjoy it regardless.

Final Thoughts:
I feel like I have little to say on any part of this song, as it makes more sense to just discuss the track as a whole.

Mmm, yeah, I really find myself digging this the more I relisten to it. Itís got that great, majestic sound that I like in my atmospheric music, and it has that sound rather effortlessly, or at least feels that way. Itís really a pretty simple track. Straightforward rhythm, lots of basic guitar chord strumming and straightforward drumming. Yet it all works pretty well together.

And the way the song flows is really well-executed; thereís that initial build to a satisfying atmosphere that backs off for a shorter build until the song really explodes into life; thereís a great sense of tension when you know the song is building to that burst of heaviness but hasnít quite reached it yet and itís conveyed pretty well through the music.

I kind of wish there were more of the ethereal, drowned-out vocals on the track, because they work pretty well here, just naturally sliding in beside the instrumentation and creating another layer of texture that adds some emotional depth to the song.

I will say that the horns that come in during the later parts of the song donít sound spectacular, and they end up a bit unfortunately drowned out when the song reaches its loudest, but itís a nice touch to have regardless. The song also feels like it could hold on its final climax a bit longer, but it doesnít overstay its welcome at the length its at nor does it really feel over too soon, so thatís more of a nitpick than anything.

The biggest knock against this song is that it isnít really particularly special for what it is, and while I do enjoy listening to it I worry if Iíll remember it in a few monthsí time. Perhaps Iíll check out the album and see if it really sticks then, weíll see.

8/10 (#3 of 18)



Eluveitie Ė Isara

First Impressions:
Short little folk track here. With the addition of some drums in the background that make it a bit unique, itís kind of folk rock but really mostly the folk? Despite its length it goes quite a number of places and I quite like where it does go. Not much to say beyond that at this point, out of time.

Final Thoughts:
Honestly, Iím not sure what to say about this one regardless. ItísÖ a fine little folky interlude and a pretty nice breather track after two lengthier tracks on the EP. ButÖ thereís not much too it besides that one leading melody, and a bit of buildup when the drums come in. ItísÖ fine, but it doesnít particularly interest me, on a stylistic level as well as on a song level. Not much to say, really. Itís fine? Way past out of time to write on this one though.

5.75/10 (#16 of 18)



Nothing More Ė This Is The Time (Ballast)

First Impressions:
The production on this for the first minute is reeeally strange. That vocal effect, the weirdly muted bit before the song really kicks in that just soundsÖ unfortunately muddy. I donít think it sounds awful either but theyíre definitely some weird  production choices Iím not sure I agree with. When the song kicks in itísÖ pretty solid metal, yeah. The singer sounds really poppy, but more in a phrasing/rhythmic way, the way the vocal melodies are structured especially. Probably the kind of song that needs more listens but Iím pretty okay with this as is, yeah. I think Train really liked this one if Iím remembering correctly. I can see it really being up his alley, yeah.

Final Thoughts:
I vaguely like this up until the 1:30 minute mark, which is the first point where something really cool happens in the song for me. Still canít say I dig the production on the first minute, though the part that bugs me the most is the bit right before the heavy riff kicks in, it just sounds bad.

But yeah at the 1:30 minute mark thereís a really catchy vocal line that comes in and a noodle guitar line that plays off the energy of the vocals quite well. And the chorus is pretty dang strong too, the singer sounds really into it and sells the power of the chorus pretty well.

The one thing that bugs me about this the most is the vague influence of nu-metal that creeps throughout a lot of this track; it explains the weirdly electronicized bits and the main riff definitely has traces of that sound. As well the timbre of the vocals could be described as ďa bit whinyĒ.

But in the end I suppose itís all little things that donít add up to a bad song, rather a pretty solid one. It doesnít feel like thereís a ton to this one either, though. Probably because of how long it takes to get started? After that itís verse chorus verse chorus bridge chorus end. Still. Itís fine enough, yeah.

7.75/10 (#4 of 18)



Beardfish Ė Voluntary Slavery

First Impressions:
So as long as this isnít a jokey song about a misrepresentation of homosexuality with annoying moments of rotten cheese Iíll hopefully be fine with this, because I was pretty okay with South of the Border musically for the most part but just eeeuugh to the vibe of the song in general. This definitely sounds more like a real song Iíd actually want to listen to right off the bat though. Itís got this ďnot quite metal but still a bit heavyĒ vibe to it. Maybe not so sure about those vocals, they kind of lack presence or power. I feel like the mixing or production of this really lets it down. Everything kind of feels like it blurs together, it seems really muddy.

Final Thoughts:
Kind of feel like I havenít given this one enough listens yet, it comes off as pretty interesting stylistically; thereís a rough sound to the whole song, with a lot of palm muted guitar bits, and a big bass presence throughout. And thereís all these little background flourishes that are slightly unsettling. I think thatís the attitude they were going for with this song though.

The vocals, too, have a bit of a rough edge to them, though in that case Iím not sure they quite work in the songs favor, since I canít say Iím a fan of the vocals. Maybe itís something about the vocal melodies, too, they donít particularly grab me, but I think itís more the rough-edged timbre of the vocalist. He just doesnít sell that style for me very well.

The song also definitely feels a bit meandering. I sort of justÖ spaced out listening to this because thereís this stretch in the middle whereÖ not a lot happens musically. The song hits upon that one jagged riff with some not particularly interesting soloing going on for a while.

I definitely feel itís a bit premature of me to judge this since of all the tracks here I feel like this is the one I have the weakest general grasp on, but, I donít know. I donít mind this but itís not making me want to go out and listen to a lot of Beardfish either.

6.75/10 (#13 of 18)



Gong Ė Occupy

First Impressions:
Okay my immediate vibe from this one is ďShining, but not as heavy/abraisiveĒ. But daaang this hits on a mood for me. Chaotic, jazzy, rigorously tight prog with delicious saxophones. It looks like this is a pretty old band thatís still making music to this day? It kind of shows, thereís definitely a sense of experience to this song. This definitely just struck on a mood really well and Iím kinda wishing it was twice as long as it is, but oh well.

Final Thoughts:
Okay, giving this one more listens, I definitely feel the initial shock of it wore off a little and the curtains drew back to reveal that thereís not exactly a ton of depth to this song. Thereís some degree of chaos, but itís very organized and very predictable once you know what the songís going for. Thereís two main sections to the louder parts and then the cooldown bit that follows.

The sax wailing throughout is probably the most interesting thing overall, since itís far less predictable, and I suppose the drums keep the energy and frantic feeling going quite strong. Even if it feels a bit stretched thin, Iíd definitely say Iím still onboard with this song stylistically. I just wish there was a bit more too it.

It sort of feels likeÖ an idea for a really cool song that they didnít really flesh out and just left as this short little proof of concept track, thatís pretty neat to listen to on its own, sure, but wears out its welcome pretty fast and leaves you craving something meatier. I like it, sure, but Iíd love to like it more, and I feel like the potential was there for something cooler and more interesting. But ehh.

7.5/10 (#6 of 18)



Nothing More Ė God Went North

First Impressions:
That intro buildup is already giving me better feelings about this one than the other song you sent from them. The middle of this song too, with the multiple layers of vocals going on, thatís a pretty cool moment. Yeah, I really feel the power behind this one, whew. The singer nails it during parts of this one and the musicís doing a good job of backing him up. I donít think this song is firing on all cylinders throughout its entire runtime but when itís on itís pretty dang on.

Final Thoughts:
So uhh. On first listen I liked this. On relistensÖ geez. The entire build of this song. So well-paced. It starts out quiet and ambient, and just keeps building and building, to the point where only a really grand climax would be satisfying and anything else would be underwhelming.

Thereís this break from the songís flow at 1:40 thatís just utterly haunting. The vocals sound so strained, it feels like all hell is about to let loose. And well, it doesnít quite there, but I mean, it gets there eventually. I just really like that particular bit.

And from the halfway point the song is justÖ great, really. The big high note at 3:30 that transitions into the big climax of the song is utterly breathtaking, honestly. Thereís a sense of vertigo right when he hits that high note and the crushing layers of guitars come in. The song maybe doesnít quite hold up the climactic feel until its end but itís a very satisfying climax for the build before it, regardless.

And the song maybe couldíve ridden its high out a bit longer, but I do like where they went with it instead, this really quite cooldown that has its own build into a gorgeous choir of voices. Works really well.

If every part of this song was as good as the best parts of the song, itíd easily be my favorite song of the whole roulette, but even as it is itís still a damn strong song and one I enjoy listening to every time.

8.75/10 (#1 of 18)



Slowdive Ė Golden Hair (Live)

First Impressions:
Yeah, having a crowd noise at the start might not be the best for flow but WHATEVER. Peeking at this band on RYM and they seem like Zantera/Sacul music more than anything else, hipstercore thatís pretty highly rated. Time to hate on them ahahehehe. Not really though. This has a nice, ethereal sound to it that Iím generally a fan of. Itís very chill, very pleasant. And the way it builds up to a really dense, fuzzy atmosphere. And the drums, doing their own thing during it all. I like it. Sort of hits uponÖ Oceansize vibes, I think, this is such an Oceansize closer track, I can definitely see why you put it as your closer for sure. Hot damn, that ending. Oh man. I havenít had this strong a positive reaction to any other song in the roulette this far. I already have the feeling. Iíd bet this is the highest scoring song of the roulette. Letís see if it holds up.

Final Thoughts:
I think the biggest flaw of this song for me is that it takes a little bit to get going. The dreamy, ethereal vibe at the start is nice, but it doesnít really pull me in until the 2 minute mark when the full band enters.

What really ties the song together for me for the next phase is that driving drumline, with the bass accompanying it; they tie the twinkly guitar lines and warm ambience of the track together and give it a sense of direction.

As well, the drums are the main driving factor into the build of the song, which is, for lack of a better word, awesome. Like, the way the song starts building at the 4 minute mark to eventually reach this roaring wall of sound, dense guitar lines practically screeching out of my speakers, with the drums continuing to tie everything together, and picking up the momentum of the guitars as the song goes forward.

Iíll be honest, I have a weakness for the spastic, chaotic drums like the final climax of this song and a bit of the earlier section has. But especially the drums at the end, they are just plain awesome. Itís basically exactly what Train said about Djakninn in his roulette; the drums have such an emotional charge to them that itís almost impossible to not get caught up in them, and they have a really intense wall of sound in the background to play off of, so itís not just like theyíre going crazy for nothing. It all comes together for a really, really satisfying finale, both to the song and the EP.

If the entirety of this song were as good as its best moments, again, itíd easily be my favorite of the roulette. As it is, I think itís juuuust edged out by Wilderun, and maybe the previous song on your EP as well (2 in one EP though, wow) but it could overtake them if I gave this a few more spins, Iíd bet.

8.75/10 (#2 of 18)



Overall EP thoughts:
Some of the track placement on here feels really well-thought out; especially God Went North as a second-to-last track. It has a really grand and massive climax to it, but ends with that quieter phase that doesnít quite resolve the EP on its own. And then throwing the relatively chill but still pretty grand Golden Hair after to really bring things to a satisfying conclusion, itís a one-two punch of great songs that play off each other really well.

Primavera also makes a solid opening track and I think Shels was the right choice to follow it with, they flow into each other well and having a bit of a bigger song following the intro track is always a solid structure. Everything else in between feelsÖ a bit there, in comparison, Eluveitie is a nice interlude I suppose, and the next three tracks could basically be in any order and itíd hardly matter.

Iím not especially sure all of the songs here particularly feel like they go together, as well; Ludovico Einaudi and Beardfish are about as stylistically opposite as possible without going full grindcore or something ridiculous, and the Gong track feels a little out of place as well, even if itís a fairly solid song on its own merits. It sort of just feels like a collection of songs you liked more than a really cohesive EP during the middle stretch, but I mean, I kind of said that the EP score would be relatively minor compared to the individual song scores, so thatís fair enough.

Itís still pretty functional as an EP regardless, and considering the quality of a good chunk of the songs, I canít really complain.

7/10
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« Reply #916 on: September 23, 2016, 11:47:03 PM »
Considering those scores, it's really not hard for me to pick a winner for this round, and this roulette as a whole...

home!!!

I couldn't even be bothered to do the math and sum up all the scores, what's the point, it unfortunately wasn't really that close, ehh.
Honestly this roulette was particularly exhausting for me and maybe a bit underwhelming as a whole but there are definitely still a number of bands I'll be looking into further that I wouldn't have checked out otherwise. This format probably did nobody any favors though, definitely wouldn't run it again.
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« Reply #917 on: September 24, 2016, 01:18:27 AM »
I feel like I kinda underrated Golden Hair in my roulette even though I admitted many times that I loved it. Unlike you, I was more about that dreamy intro, with the climax complementing it rather than taking over the attention.

I don't remember liking that Nothing More album a lot but based on those comments on God Went North I should check it out again.

Also I know Evermind kinda went above and beyond with the comfort-zone breaking thing but it's still pretty disappointing to see such scores for Faces of Stone and the Mark Knopfler song :(
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« Reply #918 on: September 24, 2016, 03:42:51 AM »
Primal Fear ended up being the best song on my EP? Okay.  :rollin

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« Reply #919 on: September 24, 2016, 06:04:50 AM »
Wowa, thanks! Two songs scoring a 8.75 is way better than I expected  ;D I should have sent the single version of This is the Time without that intro part (I think I sent Train the version without it) ah well, I thought that intro part was a pretty cool addition. I didn't check with songs you got in your previous roulette EP's, I considered sending South of the Border too  :lol Glad I didn't. I didn't recon that that Primavera would score higher than a 7 btw, I still had some time left on my EP and thought it'd be a nice opener (and I really love the song myself) Thanks for hosting this Roulette! I enjoyed playing in it :azn:


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« Reply #920 on: October 21, 2016, 11:42:33 PM »
some quick writeups on sacul's ep or something i dunno

Igorrr - Tout Petit Moineau

Honestly I don't really care for breakcore. The only reason it works for me in that Destrage song is because there's this build to it that it capitalizes on and there's a driving melody throughout the whole thing. Here it just sounds like someone inserted spammy drums on top of an unrelated song. The track doesn't reach any sort of intensity until over halfway through the song, at which point it does get kind of cool, yeah, but it doesn't last long and the stuff I dislike about this definitely overtakes the stuff I like. It's not awful on the whole or anything, I like the base of the song, but I just don't get the breakcore stuff at all.

Swans - Lunacy

I feel like these guys work better in small doses than they do long periods of time, so I have no bloody clue why they make all their albums so damn long. Like, this song has a nice build to it and eccentric enough instrumentation to at least be interesting throughout. I like it. I wouldn't say I love it, but it's solid. Not really a fan of the deep male vocals here, though, but you already knew that. I've complained about that like three or four other times in this roulette, I think. I don't know what else to say about this track. It's fine but it's not going to make me run back and see if I missed something after like 3-4 hours of trying to get into these guys in the past.

Bohren & der Club of Gore - Painless Steel

What can I say about this. It's a nice little ambient piece with some nice saxophone going on throughout. I'll probably check out the album??? I like it. It's pleasant. Saxophone is good. It's hard to write any decent kind of writeup for this.

KASHIWA Daisuke - meteor

I like this more than the long program music 1 track I heard, but probably because this is a lot more concise and, well, more to my taste. It's a nice upbeat piece and the strings really add a lot. Sounds like something out of a video game kind of. It's pretty pleasant overall. Also I forgot to write something while the song was playing because I got distracted and I bet it shows in this writeup but I mean this is a lazy sort of writeup to begin with.

Choir of Young Believers - Hollow Talk

I don't really have anything to say about this song one way or another. I'm sitting here trying to think of any words at all but this is just the most "there" song I've heard recently. No real negative qualities and some mildly positive ones, but... nothing that really catches my interest or makes me want to return to it. I've listened to this EP three times now and I couldn't remember a second of this one before this relisten. I guess this is just not for me in the most literal sense of the word.

Gazpacho - Chequered Light Buildings

This song starts off pretty unassuming and kind of in a similar vein as the previous track on your EP but it builds up a lot better and reaches a pretty satisfying climax by the end. I feel like this is one of the tracks I definitely haven't listened to enough to really be writing anything significant about, but here we are.

Janelle Monae - Cold War

If you were officially in the finals I'd have rejected this, since I've heard it before and found it pretty solid when I did, though that was like, 5 years ago? But uhh yeah I only kind of liked it before but it's definitely a "wow this is my jam" kind of song these days. Monae's a great singer and the instrumentation is a nice balance of a semi-retro feel with a more modern pop atmosphere. And I dig how organic everything sounds. I don't really know what else to say, it's just a tight, enjoyable little song.

Indukti - ...And Who's the God Now!?

This is the other song here I don't feel like I have a very good grasp on after only three listens, but to be fair this song is just a lot more complex than the rest of the songs here. I can definitively say I like it though, it's an interesting kind of metal song on the whole. I get a ton of pain of salvation vibes from this honestly, between some of the vocals and the instrumentation. It definitely gets heavier than they ever really get though. It's an adventurous song while still sticking to a pretty consistent main rhythm throughout, not relying on "prog wackiness" to be interesting. The kind of track I'll probably revisit or check out the album for. Honestly probably the best straight prog metal song of the entire roulette too, or as far as I can remember it is.

Overall:
The EP as a whole sort of feels a bit slapdash, the Igorrr song has nothing to do with the rest of the EP and the last two tracks are kind of off in their own little world too. But the stuff in the middle all feels pretty cohesive and well-paced, the slow build of Swans, the brief break of Painless Steel, the brighter jolt of energy from meteor, and then the two kind of similar but different enough songs that follow. And it definitely ends with a bang, the last two tracks easily my favorite on the whole thing. Wouldn't grade it especially well for flow since the transitions into the last two tracks are a bit weird as is the really abrupt ending of the closer here, but. Yeah. 'Tis a solid EP on the whole.


I'm also going to try and throw together a "best of" album for this roulette this weekend but it will probably be a bit slapdash and not especially well thought-out, most likely just throwing a lot of the songs in the 8 to 8.75 range together until I hit 60-70 minutes or so  :P

Then I can let this thread rest in peace, not having a writeup for this EP was bugging the hell out of me tbh.
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« Reply #921 on: October 22, 2016, 12:31:46 AM »
Yeah the Igorrr track was mostly out of curiosity, to see how you'd react :P

Yeah check that Bohren album, the sax is porn on it.

For Swans, go with Soundtracks for the Blind, only got a handful of long songs, many short tracks, quite experimental and ambient, it's great. You'll also hear where much of modern post-rock comes from and how it influenced GYBE!

Gazpacho's Night is definitely more cohesive and intense than Demon, you'll dig it.

The ArchAndroid goes through many styles it never gets boring. Very pleasing album.


Glad you ended up liking some of the stuff on my EP. Looking forward to that Best of Roulette thing  :tup