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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2016, 02:46:40 PM »
By laying out your criteria for what makes a great album and then showing that the album in question met or exceeded several of those criteria.

I don't think that this really explain anything at all, just that you personally find it great based on your own criteria.
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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2016, 02:51:34 PM »
Seriously bosk? You're basing an albums greatness based on how popular it was? There are a number of great albums that did not sell well, did not have strong social appeal, and did not become truly appreciate it until years or even decades after they were released.

Splent, if that is what you took from my post, your reading comprehension skills suck.  :lol

By laying out your criteria for what makes a great album and then showing that the album in question met or exceeded several of those criteria.

I don't think that it really explain anything at all, just that you personally find it great based on your own criteria.
My own criteria are an explanation.  There aren't objective, universally-agreed-upon criteria for what makes an album great.  The point is that, so far, there haven't been ANY criteria given for what makes this album great.  None.  (well, okay, one criterion: other musicians like it)  Give me something.
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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2016, 02:53:23 PM »
WTF is Pet Sounds?
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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2016, 03:10:06 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2016, 03:26:06 PM »
I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do. And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'.” - Bob Newhart
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2016, 03:28:16 PM »
Isn't that BET sounds?
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2016, 03:31:22 PM »
You old bastard.
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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2016, 03:31:35 PM »
My own criteria are an explanation.  There aren't objective, universally-agreed-upon criteria for what makes an album great.  The point is that, so far, there haven't been ANY criteria given for what makes this album great.  None.  (well, okay, one criterion: other musicians like it)  Give me something.

Honestly, i don't wanna try explaining anything. For that, there's already countless reviews of Pet Sounds out there.

So, back to what the thread actually is for: hey, congratulations on your anniversary, Pet Sounds! Getting old, huh?
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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2016, 03:35:15 PM »
I completely agree with Outcrier.  They are so many reviews on the greatness of this album. It can't be denied even if you don't like the style.

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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2016, 03:36:12 PM »
You old bastard.


I just reread the thread and I gather it's a Beach Boys album. Is that correct? I didn't know. Never heard of it. My parents had a Beach Boys 8 track, but I thought it was some sort of greatest hits.
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« Reply #45 on: May 17, 2016, 03:38:39 PM »
Yes. This album has been lauded for revolutionizing recording albums with multi tracks and the genius of Brian Wilson.
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« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2016, 03:41:28 PM »
Why was it called Pet Sounds? Shouldn't it have been called Beach Sounds or Ocean Sounds?
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« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2016, 03:52:50 PM »
From a Rolling Stone story.


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Read 15 little-known facts about the making of Brian Wilson's wildly ambitious 1966 pop masterpiece, 'Pet Sounds.' Photo Courtesy of Capitol Archives
Beach Boys' 'Pet Sounds': 15 Things You Didn't Know

Acid references, animal run-ins and other fascinating facts about the 50-year-old pop masterpiece

 BY JORDAN RUNTAGH May 16, 2016
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The story of Pet Sounds is the story of art versus commerce, youthful optimism versus adult cynicism and the independent spirit versus the mundane status quo. It's also a story of tremendous courage. In 1966, 23-year-old Brian Wilson hijacked the Beach Boys, a multi-million-dollar industry consisting of his two brothers, cousin and childhood friend, to give voice to the sounds he heard in his head and the emotions he felt in his heart. The result was an album that had leading musical figures struggling to match his technical innovation, lyrical depth and melodic genius. Half a century later, it's questionable whether anyone has.

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Pet Sounds has become shorthand for a fully realized artistic vision that owes little to trends and everything to the soul. "We were trying to capture spiritual love that couldn't be found anywhere else in the world," Wilson has said. In doing so, he gave popular music one of its finest touchstones.


To celebrate the 50th anniversary of the seminal album's release, here are some little known facts about Pet Sounds' creation.


1. Pet Sounds' lyricist penned jingles for Barbie dolls, Max Factor cosmetics and Gallo wine.



In an effort to craft material that moved beyond the Beach Boys' lightweight fun-fun-fun-in-the-sun fare, Brian Wilson sought to work with a lyricist from outside the band's usual circle. In late 1965, he tapped Tony Asher, a copywriter at the prestigious Carson-Scott advertising agency, who had written campaigns for Mattel toys ("You can tell it's Mattel – It's swell!"), as well as Max Factor, Gallo Wines and a host of other high-profile clients. The pair was loosely acquainted through mutual friends, and had recently crossed paths in the recording studio where Asher was producing advertising jingles. The meeting was short and uneventful, but the urbane and articulate ad man stayed on Wilson's mind.

"A few weeks later, I got a phone call, " recalled Asher in an interview for the Pet Sounds 30th-anniversary box set. "And Brian said, 'Listen, I have an album that is overdue. Would you want to help me write it?' I thought it was somebody in the office playing a joke on me.'" After confirming it wasn't a prank, Asher secured a leave of absence from his job and reported for duty at the pop star's Beverly Hills home several days later. Though it may sound like an unusual pairing, Asher's experience turning long meetings with ad clients into crisp copy and memorable slogans made him an ideal partner for Wilson. Most of their writing sessions began with abstract conversations about life and love, which would inevitably seep into their work. As Asher relayed to Nick Kent: "It's fair to say that the general tenor of the lyrics was always his and the actual choice of words was usually mine. I was really just his interpreter."

2. "You Still Believe in Me" was originally called "In My Childhood" and had completely different lyrics.
For Asher's first assignment, Wilson handed over a cassette of an instrumental track for a song called "In My Childhood." The composition already had a complete melody and set of lyrics, which Wilson underscored in the arrangement with youthful sounds from a bike horn and bell. But he had grown unhappy with these words and tasked Asher with writing new ones. "That was a good way to start things off," Asher said. "It's a great luxury – at least for a lyricist – to write to tracks because you have a much better sense of what the musical mood of the song is. And here was a case where it was real clear what Brian had in mind."


The next day, Asher returned with the lyrics to "You Still Be Believe in Me" scrawled on a yellow legal pad. The new lyrics were recorded over the "In My Childhood" instrumental track, which retained its innocent horn and bell as the only vestiges of its prior incarnation. "Brian never let me hear the [original] lyric to it," Asher remembered. To date, no trace of the "In My Childhood" verses have ever surfaced.

3. The instrumental "Let's Go Away for a While" was slated to have lyrics.
Brian Wilson always had a special fondness for "Let's Go Away For a While," labeling it "the most satisfying piece of music I have ever made." The complex dynamics and elusive theme make it one of the most fully realized arrangements of his career, but he claims it's missing a major component: lyrics.

"The track was supposed to be the backing for a vocal, but I decided to leave it alone," Wilson said in 1967. "It stands up well alone." This revelation would explain why no obvious tune springs from the melodic figures ("Try to hum it!" he challenged years later). Some reports published in the Nineties accuse Capitol Records, anxious for their overdue album, of forcing Brian to use the vocal session to mix Pet Sounds – or even of confiscating the incomplete tapes outright. It remains to be seen whether these tales are based in reality or rock revisionism. Tony Asher, for his part, denies ever penning words for the tune. "I never heard any lyrics to that song, although I understood there were some. I don't know if they were recorded or who wrote them, if in fact they ever existed."

4. "God Only Knows" was written in under an hour.
The track has become one of the most beloved in the band's canon, famously praised by Paul McCartney as the greatest song ever written. Its legendary status is even more remarkable considering that it came together in less than an hour. According to a 2015 Guardian interview, Wilson claims that he and Tony Asher composed the song in just 45 minutes. "We didn't spend a lot of time writing it," confirms Asher. "It came pretty quickly. And Brian spent a lot of time working on what ended up being the instrumental parts of that song. But the part that has lyrics really was one of those things that just kinda came out as a whole."

Author Jim Fusilli theorized that the song's title was born out of a love letter Wilson wrote to his wife Marilyn in 1964, signing off with "Yours until God wants us apart." Whatever the true genesis, this reference to God created a dilemma for the two collaborators. "We had lengthy conversations during the writing of 'God Only Knows,'" remembers Asher. "Because unless you were Kate Smith and you were singing 'God Bless America,' no one thought you could say 'God' in a song. No one had done it, and Brian didn't want to be the first person to try it. He said, 'We'll just never get any airplay.'" Though a handful of Southern radio stations banned the song for blasphemy, it was warmly received nearly everywhere else.


5. "God Only Knows" had a sax solo at one point.



The intricate vocal round on the bridge of "God Only Knows" serves as the song's heavenly centerpiece. It's jarring to hear anything other than perfectly interlacing harmonies in those eight measures, but the ungainly honk of a saxophone seems especially out of place. Amazingly, that's exactly what Wilson intended at one point. An early mix has a sax solo front and center, rudely interrupting the song's finely wrought musical elegance. He wisely edited the part out soon after.

Wilson spent a great deal of time experimenting with the sonic possibilities of "God Only Knows." He originally sang the song himself before deciding that Carl Wilson's airy tenor was better suited to the piece. "I said my brother Carl will probably be able to impart the message better than I could, so I sacrificed that one," he said in 1996. For the fadeout, he had composed an elaborate 30-second a cappella break. "He had all the Beach Boys, Terry Melcher and two of the Rovell sisters [Wilson's wife Marilyn and her sister Diane] on it," says Bruce Johnston, who had recently joined the band as a full time member after filling in for Brian Wilson on live tour dates. "It just got so overloaded; it was nuts. So he was smart enough to peel it all back." Ultimately the final fadeout has just three voices – a double-tracked Brian Wilson harmonizing with himself on the high and low parts, and Johnston in the middle.

6. The original title of "I Know There's an Answer" caused major conflict within the band.



While Brian Wilson was busy writing and recording instrumental tracks for Pet Sounds, the rest of the Beach Boys spent early 1966 touring Japan on the back of their most recent hit, a brainless campfire cover of the Regents' "Barbara Ann," which Wilson had tossed off in the fall to fulfill record-company commitments. When the group reconvened in the studio that February to record vocal parts for what they assumed would be another sunny Brian Wilson anthem, one of the first things they heard was a track called "Hang on to Your Ego." Written with the band's road manager Terry Sachen, the lyrics were inspired by Wilson's experience using LSD. The whole band was taken aback by this jarring new direction, but Mike Love reportedly took particular offense to the piece, which he rejected as "a doper song."


"The prevailing drug jargon at the time had it that doses of LSD would shatter your ego, as if that were a positive thing," explained Love in 1996. "I wasn't interested in taking acid or getting rid of my ego." During outtakes from the sessions, Love can be heard belching in the background, singing the lyrics in the manner of Jimmy Durante and James Cagney, and generally clowning around. Clearly he wasn't a fan of the tune. "Mike was very confused by it," confirms Al Jardine. "Mike's a formula hound – if it doesn't have a hook in it, if he can't hear a hook in it, he doesn't want to know about it."

Ultimately, Wilson let Love alter the title to a less inflammatory "I Know There's an Answer," but it was the start of ongoing tensions between the two. Love reportedly found some of Tony Asher's lyrics "nauseating" and dubbed the project "Brian's ego music." Asher recalls Love hissing the immortal phrase "Don't fuck with the formula!" at Wilson during one of the recording dates. While Love dismisses these accusations as "a bunch of bullshit," he's admitted that "some of the words were so offensive to me that I wouldn't even sing 'em."

7. Bruce Johnston is having a conversation about cameras in the background of "Here Today."
Lending credence to the rumor that Capitol Records rushed Brian Wilson into completing the album, session musician Steve Douglas claims that the album was mixed in a single nine-hour marathon session. "I remember when Brian turned in Pet Sounds," he said in the 30th-anniversary liner notes. "I was working as a producer at Capitol at the time. It was full of noise. You could hear him talking in the background. It was real sloppy. He had spent all this time making the album, and zip – dubbed it down in one day or something like that."

The tracks were mostly tweaked to Beach Boy perfection before they were pressed to vinyl, but keen-eared fans have noticed talking during the instrumental break of "Here Today." Beginning at 1:55, Bruce Johnston can be heard having a conversation with a photographer about a camera he purchased on the band's recent tour of Japan. A few seconds later, Brian Wilson's voice cuts through, bellowing, "Top, please!" – his way of asking the engineer to rewind the tape so the band could attempt another vocal take. This quirk was omitted from the 1996 stereo mix of the album, apparently at Wilson's request.

8. "Pet Sounds" was written as a potential James Bond theme.
The record's bossa nova-flavored title track began life as an instrumental called "Run James Run." The James in question is 007 himself. Perhaps inspired by the 15-second James Bond-esque theme that opens the American version of the Beatles' 1965 Help! soundtrack, Wilson apparently decided to take a stab at a full track. "It was supposed to be a James Bond-theme type of song," Wilson revealed in 1996. "We were gonna try to get it to the James Bond people. But we thought it would never happen, so we put it on the album." The cinematic orchestration hints that Brian Wilson could have had a strong future in film scoring.

9. Brian Wilson sped up his vocals on "Caroline, No " in order to make himself sound younger.



For the album's emotional closer, 23-year-old Brian Wilson cast his mind back to his teenage crush on a cheerleader named Carol Mountain. He had been obsessed with the girl as a student, rhapsodizing about her beautiful complexion and long dark hair. By 1966, Wilson had discovered that Mountain was married and still living in their hometown of Hawthorne, not far from his Hollywood home. Though also married, Wilson began to call his unrequited high-school love, who had no inkling of his true feelings until decades later. "He didn't sound drugged or anything, but it was very strange," Mountain told author Peter Ames Carlin. "He'd call at 3 a.m. and want to talk about music. ... But it was nothing inappropriate. It was just a strange thing he was going through, calling and connecting."


Though they didn't meet in person, Wilson grew depressed that the torch he carried for Mountain had begun to dim. "If I saw her today, I'd probably think, 'God, she's lost something,' because growing up does that to people," he explained decades later. He relayed this story to Tony Asher, who penned a chorus in the form of a dialogue between the two: "Oh, Carol, I know." Wilson misheard this as "Caroline, No," giving the song its pleading title. The recording became one of the most heartbreaking tunes ever committed to wax, plodding ahead at a depressive crawl. He played the song to his father (and onetime band manager), Murry Wilson, who advised his son to speed up the tape a full tone to give his voice a sweeter, more youthful quality. The effect made him sound like the lovesick teenager that, in many ways, he still was.

"Caroline, No" was released under Brian Wilson's own name in March 1966, the first solo single for any Beach Boy.

10. Session musicians used Coke cans, water bottles and orange juice jugs for percussion.
The arrangements on Pet Sounds boast a dazzling array of percussion previously unseen in the rock-music arena. Sleigh bells, timpani, güiro, vibraphone, bongos and other exotic instruments all add color to the album, but certain sounds aren't instruments at all. In order to create the music in his head, Wilson improvised a number of percussive instruments from whatever he had on hand. For the Latin-tinged "Pet Sounds" track, he encouraged drummer Ritchie Frost to tap two empty Coke cans for a distinctive percussive beat.

Drumming legend Hal Blaine, unofficial chief of the crack team of session musicians known as the Wrecking Crew, had something special up his sleeve for the clip-clop rhythm that kept "God Only Knows" galloping forward. "We used to drink orange juice out of the vending machines," he explained. "I took three of these small six- or eight-ounce plastic orange-drink bottles, and I cut them down to three different sizes in length. And I taped 'em together, and I used a little vibraphone mallet. Brian loved that kind of stuff." Session man Jim Gordon (later of Derek and the Dominos) actually played the OJ bottles, but Hal pulled off a similar trick on the introduction for "Caroline, No," playing upturned Sparkletts water jugs like bongos.

11. Brian Wilson considered bringing a horse into the recording studio.



In addition to his meticulous instrumental arrangements and vocal layering, Wilson also spent some sessions making avant-garde recordings with friends and family. These ranged from echo-drenched rounds of "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" stretching over seven minutes, to humorous skits (including a particularly sophomoric one entitled "Dick") and sound effects for a proposed psychedelic comedy album. He would revisit the concept when working on Pet Sounds' follow-up, Smile, later that year, but these early runs were almost totally scrapped.


The only fragment from the tapes can be heard on the final seconds of the album. As the flutes from "Caroline, No" fade away, the melancholic sound of a passing train is heard while dogs wail. The locomotive whistle was sampled off a 1963 effects album called Mister D's Machine ("Train #58, the Owl at Edison, California"), but the barks come from Wilson's own dogs: Banana, a beagle, and Louie, a Weimaraner. Their barking made for an unusual session, but studio chatter reveals that he had a bigger beast in mind.

"Hey Chuck, is it possible we could bring a horse in here if we don't screw anything up?" he can be heard asking engineer Chuck Britz. "I beg your pardon?" comes the stunned reply. But Wilson won't be deterred. "Honest to God, now, the horse is tame and everything!" For whatever reason, he ultimately decided to stick with the canines".
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Re: Pet Sounds - 50th anniversary
« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2016, 03:58:39 PM »
Thanks Joe!
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« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2016, 04:00:51 PM »
Holy crap. I meant to copy one section. Not all of them. Lol
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« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2016, 04:39:48 PM »
I've tried this album a number of times over the years. There are some great songs, for sure, but the album overall doesn't work for me. It's admittedly partly because I generally can't get into the sort of thin male vocals that lacks much of any power like Simon and Garfunkel, Sufjan Stevens, and, to me, Brian Wilson.

The music also sounds very flat and powerless to me on many of the songs, though it's plaim as day that Wilson was playing around with pop music orchestration in a big way.

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« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2016, 05:38:12 PM »
God Only Knows is one of the greatest songs of all time.
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« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2016, 02:54:10 AM »
For the most part, what makes this album click for me is the diversity. The melodies are either cheerful and summery or strikingly sad and depressing. The instrumentation sometimes includes glockenspiel and various other instruments that sound very playful and reminiscent of childhood, but on some other songs, strings take a very serious, even dark turn. Whoever did the orchestration truly nailed it.

The vocal performances are stellar but just one of the appealing factors (also worth noting is the flow of the album). There is something about Brian's vocals in particular that can sometimes be so heartbreaking, I think Don't talk would be the perfect example of this. Keep in mind that it follows That's not me, which is one of the lighter moments of the album melodically. The album just takes you through a lot of emotions.

I have a question for the bigger Beach Boys fans. Along with Pet sounds, I also checked out some of the follow-up albums like Smiley smile, Wild honey and Friends. Even though all three are fine albums, none of them were even remotely close to touching the genius of Pet sounds. Why is that?

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« Reply #53 on: May 18, 2016, 05:37:59 AM »
Listened to the album yesterday, not really my cup of tea.

I then watched Love & Mercy, which was a good film.

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« Reply #54 on: May 18, 2016, 11:35:02 AM »
Even though all three are fine albums, none of them were even remotely close to touching the genius of Pet sounds. Why is that?

Check out Smile Sessions (2011) if you haven't. Some say it's better than Pet Sounds.
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« Reply #55 on: May 18, 2016, 07:33:15 PM »
Ah, Pet Sounds. One of the greatest albums ever. So beautiful. So complex. There´s nothing like it.

I have everything the Beach Boys ever released. And they have so many magnificent albums. Sunflower. Holland. Love You. Smile. Wild Honey. But Pet Sounds is still the best. The albums before were great - Today, Summer Days and Summer Nights... but there were no evidence this masterpiece would be released.

There are some albums I would place higher - Abbey Road, Highway 61 Revisited - but a masterpiece anyway, a jewel.
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« Reply #56 on: May 18, 2016, 09:11:25 PM »
Well doggone it, I'm going to have to listen to this album again.  Just in case.

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« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2018, 08:59:40 PM »
Well doggone it, I'm going to have to listen to this album again.  Just in case.

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« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2018, 09:34:16 PM »
There are some albums which I can listen to, and something about the music speaks to my very guts, and I know that this music truly transcends what was happening in music at the time, and perhaps for all time.  Everything just seems so perfect, so right.  It's not just an album; it's a crafted musical masterpiece that quite simply exists on another level.

For many, Pet Sounds is one of these albums.  For me, it just isn't.  It sounds great, and I do like The Beach Boys.  I like their harmonies, I generally like their songs.  But whatever it is that makes this a next-level album for so many is lost on me.  It's "only" a great album.

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Re: Pet Sounds - 50th anniversary
« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2018, 10:07:55 PM »
I hear ya. I totally get why it is so revered, even if it is an album I merely "really like."  Those vocal arrangements and melodies are just so creative and gorgeous.

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Re: Pet Sounds - 50th anniversary
« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2018, 10:37:09 PM »
I feel this was a "You had to be there at the time" album. Not a bad thing. In fact, I feel that way about Sgt Pepper and Dark Side of the Moon, two name a couple landmark classics in rock history.

Sloop John B might be an all time top 10 of mine (I first really heard it in a very bad part of my life, where I was a long way from home, so "This is the worst trip I've ever been on" struck me right in the gut), which is ironically not an original Beach Boys composition.  Wouldn't It Be Nice is all kids of glorious. But everything is sounds just... good... to me. Great even at times. But beyond that, I don't get it, I guess. Or, what Orbert said better than me.
"Nostalgia is just the ability to forget the things that sucked" - Nelson DeMille, 'Up Country'

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Re: Pet Sounds - 50th anniversary
« Reply #61 on: July 21, 2018, 09:53:40 AM »

"The prevailing drug jargon at the time had it that doses of LSD would shatter your ego, as if that were a positive thing," explained Love in 1996. "I wasn't interested in taking acid or getting rid of my ego."

And over the next 52 years, apparently nothing has changed.   I despise Mike Love (though I will concede he's far more complicated than the "Good cop (Wilson)/Bad cop (Love)" stories make out.) 

"God Only Knows" is a great song, but it's not even the best song on the album (that's "Wouldn't It Be Nice", the album opener), and "Good Vibrations" is in my view the greatest Beach Boys song accomplishment.   I like the album - a lot - but I'm a fan of what came before a little more. I'm a sucker for the harmonies and the way their voices blend... so good. 

As an aside, if you're into the Beach Boys, you should check out the "Smile Sessions" two disk set; the second disk has a bunch of the "fragments" that Wilson recorded.   He would record little sections and piece them together later to form fully realized songs.  The idea was that you could mix and match fragments - like legos - to make songs.   Some of them are so beautiful, being just three or four voices in perfect harmony.  I know, I know, it sounds excruciating, but I was listening to it on my stereo one night while doing other things, and I was blown away by how many times it literally grabbed my attention away from what I was doing.  Man could those f*****s sing. 

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Re: Pet Sounds - 50th anniversary
« Reply #62 on: July 21, 2018, 09:57:11 AM »
It is hard to top God Only Knows, but You Still Believe in Me is as astonishing melodic accomplishment. And of course, Sloop John B is the tops as well.

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« Reply #63 on: July 21, 2018, 10:02:57 AM »
I will post this here since my attempt at keeping the XTC thread going failed... :facepalm: :(

Check out this song by The Dukes of Stratosphear (an XTC spin-off band where they intentionally wrote songs in the style of late 60's psychedelia):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRcXWGLummo

You would swear this was the Beach Boys, especially when you hear the section that begins around 2:30.  I read that Brian Wilson even used this song as one of his intermission songs when he toured last year; that speaks to how highly he thinks of it.  Amazing homage.

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Re: Pet Sounds - 50th anniversary
« Reply #64 on: July 23, 2018, 05:43:21 PM »
No one is checking out the Beach Boys homage I posted above? Booooo!!! :facepalm: