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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #315 on: April 08, 2010, 05:58:22 PM »
He's still one of my favorite musicians, no matter how much you guys rip into him.
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« Reply #316 on: April 08, 2010, 06:07:52 PM »
Oh hell yes.  A great voice and a great talent.  Yes is my favorite band of all time, hands down.  But I don't wear rose-colored glasses for anyone.  Not my kids or my wife, and not for my favorite artists.  If somebody's doing someone wrong, I'm gonna call it the way I see it, and Jon is just screwing this one up.

On the Yesfans boards, there's confusion and anger, but also a lot of sadness.  The guys are in their 60's now, and it's a damned shame that they can't seem to get it together now while it's still possible, because someday it won't be.  Jon still seems to love Yesmusic, he even goes out and plays it, so what is his problem?

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« Reply #317 on: April 08, 2010, 06:36:12 PM »
Orbert, I've got to disagree with you on Dennis DeYoung.  He for years hijacked the band with power plays.  As talented and important part he was to the band, guys in the band can only take so much.  So for them, Dennis crossed the line way too many times.  Are they as big as they were back in the 70's and 80's. No way in hell.  Are they much happier and enjoying playing again.  Damn straigh.
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« Reply #318 on: April 08, 2010, 07:38:43 PM »
Why is Peter Frampton touring with Yes right now?

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« Reply #319 on: April 09, 2010, 11:08:59 AM »
Orbert, I've got to disagree with you on Dennis DeYoung.  He for years hijacked the band with power plays.  As talented and important part he was to the band, guys in the band can only take so much.  So for them, Dennis crossed the line way too many times.  Are they as big as they were back in the 70's and 80's. No way in hell.  Are they much happier and enjoying playing again.  Damn straigh.

I'll admit I'm not up on the inner workings of Styx the way I am with Yes, so I'm wondering what you mean by "hijacked" and "power plays".  Honestly, I don't know and am just asking.

I started following them back in junior high, and in my mind DeYoung was the "leader" of the band.  He started the band, his voice was the one on the hits, and he wrote the majority of the songs.  I know now that that's not how bands work, but I guess I still tend to think of the situation as one where the others were free to leave if they didn't like it.  Tommy Shaw eventually did, and I have no problem with that.  I completely understand where he was coming from.

But if Dennis was outright pulling some shit on them, I didn't hear about it.  I stopped following Styx seriously sometime in the 80's.  I saw an interview with Dennis maybe ten years ago, and he was talking about all the crap that went down, but obviously it was all his side of the story.

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« Reply #320 on: April 09, 2010, 11:30:37 AM »
JY and Tommy Shaw for years fought with DD to go more rock.  Dennis was even kicked out of the band betwwen albums in the 70's but was brought back under conditions.  Well, Babe happened and DD assumed control.  resentment set in with the rest of the band.  Yet in 1996they reformed and tours and made the live album, Return to Paridise.  When they went to record the new album Brave New World, tensions appeared again.

Brave New World and split
Two years later, in 1999, the band released its first new studio album in almost a decade: Brave New World. The album received a lukewarm reception, sold very slowly, and the single, "Everything Is Cool", failed to chart.

Once again, during work on the album, personality conflicts drove the band members apart. While Tommy Shaw and James Young's material followed a hard rock vein, Dennis DeYoung's penchant for Broadway styles resulted in dramatic differences in styles on Brave New World.

Arguments over which songs to release as singles, the album's artwork, the track sequencing, the slow album sales, and the omission of DeYoung's vocals and keyboards from many of the Shaw/JY tracks fueled the fire. The band was further hindered by a viral illness contracted by DeYoung which temporarily made his eyes sensitive to light. DeYoung asked his bandmates to delay touring but they refused and decided to go forward without him..

I guess they just had enough.
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« Reply #321 on: April 09, 2010, 12:12:34 PM »
I guess I don't interpret DDY's actions as hijacking and power plays so much as a basic difference in style from Shaw and JY.  They were always the straight-on rockers, and DDY always had the theatrical side, but I guess it got harder and harder for them to integrate the two sides.

Still, as DDY and the Panozzo brothers started the band, and JY and Shaw were not even original members, it could just as easily be argued that they were the ones who hijacked the band and steered it away from its original vision, which was definitely more prog.  Dennis' "power plays" were actually attempts to regain control of his own band from the guys who came in later and were trying to grab the wheel.  In the end, the suits backed Shaw and JY, and history is written by the winners.  But come on, Shaw and JY were the usurpers, not the victims.

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« Reply #322 on: April 09, 2010, 12:13:06 PM »
Oh hell yes.  A great voice and a great talent.  Yes is my favorite band of all time, hands down.  But I don't wear rose-colored glasses for anyone.  Not my kids or my wife, and not for my favorite artists.  If somebody's doing someone wrong, I'm gonna call it the way I see it, and Jon is just screwing this one up.

On the Yesfans boards, there's confusion and anger, but also a lot of sadness.  The guys are in their 60's now, and it's a damned shame that they can't seem to get it together now while it's still possible, because someday it won't be.  Jon still seems to love Yesmusic, he even goes out and plays it, so what is his problem?

I don't think it is fair to assume it is all Anderson's problem.  I have read many things over the years about Squire and Howe being difficult, and maybe Anderson is just tired of dealing with all of it.  I mean, the guy has to be in his mid 60s, and if he is happier touring by himself, then so be it.  He has earned that right.  He gave, what, well over 30 years of his life to Yes.  I'd say that's enough, if that is what he wants.  I understand fans wanting to see the band with the core members together again, but, just like Kevin Moore and DT, if Anderson doesn't want to do it, that is his right, and I see nothing wrong with it at all. :)

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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #323 on: April 09, 2010, 02:07:36 PM »
I guess I don't interpret DDY's actions as hijacking and power plays so much as a basic difference in style from Shaw and JY.  They were always the straight-on rockers, and DDY always had the theatrical side, but I guess it got harder and harder for them to integrate the two sides.

Still, as DDY and the Panozzo brothers started the band, and JY and Shaw were not even original members, it could just as easily be argued that they were the ones who hijacked the band and steered it away from its original vision, which was definitely more prog.  Dennis' "power plays" were actually attempts to regain control of his own band from the guys who came in later and were trying to grab the wheel.  In the end, the suits backed Shaw and JY, and history is written by the winners.  But come on, Shaw and JY were the usurpers, not the victims.

I just think you go in together as a band.  Yes there are always a leader of the band but if the others in the band have had enough, and that was the other 4 in the band, then this is the end result.  It happend to VH with dave and then now with Eddie.  It happened with Steve Perry.  It's like a marriage.  it's all about compromise.
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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #324 on: April 09, 2010, 09:32:54 PM »
Oh hell yes.  A great voice and a great talent.  Yes is my favorite band of all time, hands down.  But I don't wear rose-colored glasses for anyone.  Not my kids or my wife, and not for my favorite artists.  If somebody's doing someone wrong, I'm gonna call it the way I see it, and Jon is just screwing this one up.

On the Yesfans boards, there's confusion and anger, but also a lot of sadness.  The guys are in their 60's now, and it's a damned shame that they can't seem to get it together now while it's still possible, because someday it won't be.  Jon still seems to love Yesmusic, he even goes out and plays it, so what is his problem?

I don't think it is fair to assume it is all Anderson's problem.  I have read many things over the years about Squire and Howe being difficult, and maybe Anderson is just tired of dealing with all of it.  I mean, the guy has to be in his mid 60s, and if he is happier touring by himself, then so be it.  He has earned that right.  He gave, what, well over 30 years of his life to Yes.  I'd say that's enough, if that is what he wants.  I understand fans wanting to see the band with the core members together again, but, just like Kevin Moore and DT, if Anderson doesn't want to do it, that is his right, and I see nothing wrong with it at all. :)

This, extremely well put, Kev.
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« Reply #326 on: April 10, 2010, 10:41:39 PM »
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« Reply #327 on: April 11, 2010, 06:09:06 AM »
I don't know if this has been posted before:

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/upcoming_tours/yes_to_tour_with_peter_frampton_this_summer.html

Prog-rock veterans Yes will reunite with Peter Frampton for a summertime run of North America, the first time the musicians have toured together since 1976.

The 25-city outing kicks off June 8 in West Palm Beach, FL, visiting casinos, theaters and performing arts centers from coast to coast. The co-headlining trek will wrap with a July 15 performance in Snoqualmie, WA. All dates are listed as follows:

06/08 - West Palm Beach, FL - Kravis Center
06/09 - Clearwater, FL - Ruth Eckerd Hall
06/11 - Biloxi, MS - Beau Rivage Resort & Casino
06/15 - Upper Darby, PA - Tower Theatre
06/16 - Uncasville, CT - Mohegan Sun
06/18 - Bethel, NY - Bethel Woods Center for the Arts
06/20 - Meadow Lands, PA - Meadows Racetrack & Casino
06/23 - Vienna, VA - Filene Center at Wolf Trap
06/24 - Baltimore, MD - Pier Six Pavilion
06/25 - Holmdel, NJ - PNC Bank Arts Center
06/26 - Wantagh, NY - Nikon at Jones Beach Theater
06/29 - Big Flats, NY - The Summer Stage at Tag's
06/30 - Canandaigua, NY - Constellation Brands Marvin Sands Performing Arts Center
07/02 - Milwaukee, WI - Summerfest Grounds
07/03 - Merrillville, IN - Star Plaza Theatre
07/04 - Blue Ash, OH - TBA
07/07 - Albuquerque, NM - Sandia Resort & Casino
07/09 - Los Angeles, CA - Greek Theatre
07/10 - Valley Center, CA - Open Sky Theater at Harrah's Rincon Casino & Resort
07/11 - Saratoga, CA - The Mountain Winery
07/13 - Santa Rosa, CA - Wells Fargo Center for the Arts
07/15 - Snoqualmie, WA - Snoqualmie Casino

Last month, Yes finished up a winter excursion that introduced the group's two new members - singer Benoit David and keyboardist Oliver Wakeman (son of the band's longtime keyboardist, Rick Wakeman). David, who previously fronted a Yes tribute band, has replaced longtime lead singer Jon Anderson, who was diagnosed with acute respiratory failure early last year.

The band's most recent release, "Magnification," hit shelves in 2001.

In just a couple weeks, Frampton will unveil his 14th studio album, "Thank You Mr. Churchill." The set, which follows his 2006 effort, "Fingerprints," goes on sale April 27, though fans can pre-order the album on CD or vinyl via Frampton's website.
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« Reply #328 on: April 15, 2010, 06:49:56 PM »
Calling any of the songs from a classic like Close to the Edge "the weakest" is like calling the girl in last place at the Miss Universe pageant "the ugliest."  "Least best" and "least attractive" are much more appropriate, respectively, me thinks. ;)

Okay, that's a fair point.  But to be honest, it's a nice song, a pretty love song, and to me, not a lot more.  At the time it came out, people were still pretty hyped on the success of Fragile, and Close to the Edge literally stunned people.  "ONLY THREE SONGS?!"  The title track takes a while to digest but to me seemed a masterpiece right off the bat, and "Siberian Khatru" is an upbeat driver with that wacky 15/4 riff and the harpsichord solo in the break.  "And You And I", sandwiched in the middle, was the "filler" song.  Yes, it's a great song, but honestly, I've never understood the huge, huge adoration it seems to get.

Well, leaving aside the fact that we had And You And I played at our wedding, what other band does a love song like that?

I'm generally not a "love song" kind of guy, but I think it's one of the best love songs ever written. There are others I like obviously, but this is the Yes thread.

Thanks for providing some context as to what the feeling was when Close To The Edge was released. I probably didn't hear anything off of the album until at least 5 years after it came out; maybe even later.

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« Reply #329 on: April 15, 2010, 07:07:57 PM »
For me, "And You And I" is the most beautiful piece ever written.

The "Soon" section of "The Gates of Delirium" comes damn close, but AYAI is slightly better (as far as sheer beauty goes)

In an unrelated note, I listened to Magnification again today. Damn great album.
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« Reply #330 on: April 15, 2010, 07:12:27 PM »
For me, "And You And I" is the most beautiful piece ever written.

The "Soon" section of "The Gates of Delirium" comes damn close, but AYAI is slightly better (as far as sheer beauty goes)
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except I feel CTTE is right between them in beauty, and somewhat above both in awesomeness

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I mean HOLY shit at and around 7:13 to 7:23 in AYAI is practically effing incomprehensibly awesome
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« Reply #331 on: April 15, 2010, 07:15:42 PM »
I was talking beauty, AYAI is probably my 3rd or 4th favorite Yessong.

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« Reply #332 on: April 15, 2010, 07:50:11 PM »
I just saw Yes in February and Jon Anderson last week, so I dunno if I'm gonna hit up this summer tour. I'll check out the setlist... if theres some new shit I havent heard, I'll go.... if not... eh....

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« Reply #333 on: April 15, 2010, 09:20:00 PM »
I just saw Yes in February and Jon Anderson last week, so I dunno if I'm gonna hit up this summer tour. I'll check out the setlist... if theres some new shit I havent heard, I'll go.... if not... eh....

I'm going to the Jones Beach show, you can't beat $19 tickets. I'm sure the set will at least be somewhat different, seeing as they just toured here 2 months ago.
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« Reply #334 on: April 15, 2010, 09:21:04 PM »
I just saw Yes in February and Jon Anderson last week, so I dunno if I'm gonna hit up this summer tour. I'll check out the setlist... if theres some new shit I havent heard, I'll go.... if not... eh....

I'm going to the Jones Beach show, you can't beat $19 tickets. I'm sure the set will at least be somewhat different, seeing as they just toured here 2 months ago.

Thats awesome! Sadly it is much more here, since they are only playing Mohegan Sun in the NE area and that place is expensive. :(

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« Reply #335 on: April 15, 2010, 09:24:15 PM »
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Knowing the way they've been touring lately the set will probably only have a few different songs anyway. Maybe they'll throw in Awaken or something and take out Onward or Machine Messiah.
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« Reply #336 on: April 16, 2010, 11:22:34 AM »
Calling any of the songs from a classic like Close to the Edge "the weakest" is like calling the girl in last place at the Miss Universe pageant "the ugliest."  "Least best" and "least attractive" are much more appropriate, respectively, me thinks. ;)

Okay, that's a fair point.  But to be honest, it's a nice song, a pretty love song, and to me, not a lot more.  At the time it came out, people were still pretty hyped on the success of Fragile, and Close to the Edge literally stunned people.  "ONLY THREE SONGS?!"  The title track takes a while to digest but to me seemed a masterpiece right off the bat, and "Siberian Khatru" is an upbeat driver with that wacky 15/4 riff and the harpsichord solo in the break.  "And You And I", sandwiched in the middle, was the "filler" song.  Yes, it's a great song, but honestly, I've never understood the huge, huge adoration it seems to get.

Well, leaving aside the fact that we had And You And I played at our wedding, what other band does a love song like that?

I'm generally not a "love song" kind of guy, but I think it's one of the best love songs ever written. There are others I like obviously, but this is the Yes thread.

Thanks for providing some context as to what the feeling was when Close To The Edge was released. I probably didn't hear anything off of the album until at least 5 years after it came out; maybe even later.

I shouldn't diss "And You And I" the way I do.  You're right; nobody does a love song (or anything else) the way Yes does.  And the only real issue for me is those huge, sweeping, dramatic sections with the Mellotrons.  Yes, they're beautiful, but they seem to come out of nowhere.  To me, there's just not enough buildup to justify the near-orgasmic power of those sections.  It's like, where did that come from?

I need to give it another listen, and hopefully appreciate it more.  I do like the song.

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« Reply #337 on: April 18, 2010, 09:29:11 AM »
Calling any of the songs from a classic like Close to the Edge "the weakest" is like calling the girl in last place at the Miss Universe pageant "the ugliest."  "Least best" and "least attractive" are much more appropriate, respectively, me thinks. ;)

Okay, that's a fair point.  But to be honest, it's a nice song, a pretty love song, and to me, not a lot more.  At the time it came out, people were still pretty hyped on the success of Fragile, and Close to the Edge literally stunned people.  "ONLY THREE SONGS?!"  The title track takes a while to digest but to me seemed a masterpiece right off the bat, and "Siberian Khatru" is an upbeat driver with that wacky 15/4 riff and the harpsichord solo in the break.  "And You And I", sandwiched in the middle, was the "filler" song.  Yes, it's a great song, but honestly, I've never understood the huge, huge adoration it seems to get.

Well, leaving aside the fact that we had And You And I played at our wedding, what other band does a love song like that?

I'm generally not a "love song" kind of guy, but I think it's one of the best love songs ever written. There are others I like obviously, but this is the Yes thread.

Thanks for providing some context as to what the feeling was when Close To The Edge was released. I probably didn't hear anything off of the album until at least 5 years after it came out; maybe even later.

I shouldn't diss "And You And I" the way I do.  You're right; nobody does a love song (or anything else) the way Yes does.  And the only real issue for me is those huge, sweeping, dramatic sections with the Mellotrons.  Yes, they're beautiful, but they seem to come out of nowhere.  To me, there's just not enough buildup to justify the near-orgasmic power of those sections.  It's like, where did that come from?

I need to give it another listen, and hopefully appreciate it more.  I do like the song.

I've always interpreted it as the band showing how love can randomly swell up these huge, beautiful emotions in people. Love is not linear, but rather a more random, sporadic path that we all follow. Not only is it lyrically a love song, but musically it is as well. Just another reason why Yes is one of the greatest bands ever.
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« Reply #338 on: April 18, 2010, 09:43:39 AM »
Just wanted to share that my class and I viewed "Yessongs" for a music assignment a few years ago. It was intense. Everyone was like WTF about their outfits and the length of CttE. I wish my current music teacher (in school) was that awesome.  :metal

Btw my favourite line-up is Bruford Anderson Wakeman Squire Howe and my favourite album is Close To The Edge. My favourite song is the T/T. After much deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that Yes is has much better music than DT has, but DT has more orgasmic moments (F#, all of Metropolis, Another World, Razor's Edge etc). I can see also that the DT/Yes debate has pretty much ended...

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« Reply #339 on: April 18, 2010, 09:50:53 AM »
What DT/Yes debate?
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« Reply #340 on: April 18, 2010, 09:51:37 AM »
What DT/Yes debate?
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« Reply #341 on: April 18, 2010, 10:04:50 AM »
I was being serious. :lol

I'm a relatively new fan of the band so I really didn't know about any debate.
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« Reply #342 on: April 18, 2010, 11:02:21 AM »
Just wanted to share that my class and I viewed "Yessongs" for a music assignment a few years ago. It was intense. Everyone was like WTF about their outfits and the length of CttE. I wish my current music teacher (in school) was that awesome.  :metal

Btw my favourite line-up is Bruford Anderson Wakeman Squire Howe and my favourite album is Close To The Edge. My favourite song is the T/T. After much deliberation, I have come to the conclusion that Yes is has much better music than DT has, but DT has more orgasmic moments (F#, all of Metropolis, Another World, Razor's Edge etc). I can see also that the DT/Yes debate has pretty much ended...

I think that Yes' music is certainly more survivable than DT's music. For example, "Close to the Edge" is still one of the greatest pieces of music ever, and it's almost 40 years old. Half the material on Systematic Chaos is already stale and forgettable and it's only a few years old.

That being said, DT is still my favorite band of all time.
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« Reply #343 on: April 18, 2010, 11:08:05 AM »
You're comparing one of Yes' best albums to DT's worst. Of course there's going to a big difference when you do it like that.
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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #344 on: April 18, 2010, 11:08:30 AM »
I was being serious. :lol

I'm a relatively new fan of the band so I really didn't know about any debate.
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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #345 on: April 18, 2010, 11:40:41 AM »
You're comparing one of Yes' best albums to DT's worst. Of course there's going to a big difference when you do it like that.

Reminds me when someone compared the lyrics of "Hallowed be thy Name" with "The Dark Eternal Night" a few years ago  :facepalm:

What if you compared Close to the Edge to, say, Images and Words?  I can say that Images has affected me (due to relatable lyrics) a lot more than Close to the Edge, despite CttE being one of my favorite albums ever.  Images is almost twenty years old now and its still amazing, and I'm sure I'll still be listening to it when I'm 40. 

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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #346 on: April 18, 2010, 12:04:47 PM »
You're comparing one of Yes' best albums to DT's worst. Of course there's going to a big difference when you do it like that.

Reminds me when someone compared the lyrics of "Hallowed be thy Name" with "The Dark Eternal Night" a few years ago  :facepalm:

What if you compared Close to the Edge to, say, Images and Words?  I can say that Images has affected me (due to relatable lyrics) a lot more than Close to the Edge, despite CttE being one of my favorite albums ever.  Images is almost twenty years old now and its still amazing, and I'm sure I'll still be listening to it when I'm 40.  

Or you could even do it the other way and compare Images and Words with Tormato.
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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #347 on: April 18, 2010, 01:41:38 PM »
When comparing a rock band from the 70s to a metal band from the 80s, you can never make a perfect comparison because they are so different.

Even so, songs like "Onward" are more remember-able for me than "Pull Me Under" (Since you said to compare Tormato to Images and Words)

Although I wouldn't even think twice about saying I&W >>> Tormato
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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #348 on: April 18, 2010, 04:28:08 PM »
Pretty much every CD I own is >>> than Tormato.

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« Reply #349 on: April 18, 2010, 04:34:27 PM »
Pretty much every CD I own is >>> than Tormato.

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