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Re: The Official Yes Thread
« Reply #210 on: March 02, 2010, 02:59:43 PM »
Of the albums after Howe rejoins the band which is the best?
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« Reply #211 on: March 02, 2010, 03:03:06 PM »
Of the albums after Howe rejoins the band which is the best?

It all depends on who you talk to.  None of them are that great; I think The Ladder has the most good stuff, but many seem to favor Magnification; the Keys record is probably the most overtly proggy.  Any of those would probably have some good stuff that you would like, but don't expect any of them to knock your socks off.  None of them compare to most of their classic records.

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« Reply #212 on: March 02, 2010, 03:07:58 PM »
Don't forget to check into the ABWH album, Anderson Wakeman Bruford Howe (with Tony Levin on bass).  It's not too bad, and manages to get pretty close to the original Yes sound.   It's practically a Yes album in everything but name. 
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« Reply #213 on: March 02, 2010, 03:08:52 PM »
I think I like the original songs on Keys to Ascension best.  As I said earlier though, most of my attention goes to the pre-split stuff, that was when they had something truly special.

Just read kev's post, and he is on spot.  Magnification and Ladder are just good albums, nothing more. You've heard the best they have to offer, but listen to the rest, for any Yes music is good music.

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« Reply #214 on: March 02, 2010, 03:15:14 PM »
Of all the post reunion stuff, I like The Ladder the best. "Lightning Strike" is probably my favorite post-Drama song.

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« Reply #215 on: March 02, 2010, 03:15:52 PM »
Well from the sound of it it's all downhill from here.  :-\ It's too bad. Everything up to 90125 has been amazing.
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« Reply #216 on: March 02, 2010, 03:19:36 PM »
"Amazing" is not a word I would use to describe Tormato, which I dislike immensely, but, yes, just about everything in that long time span is great! :)

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« Reply #217 on: March 02, 2010, 03:20:22 PM »
Well from the sound of it it's all downhill from here.  :-\ It's too bad. Everything up to 90125 has been amazing.
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« Reply #218 on: March 02, 2010, 04:19:03 PM »
I just read that YES is touring with Peter Frampton this summer.  Weird grouping but I love both and have seen both at least 8 times.
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« Reply #219 on: March 02, 2010, 04:28:07 PM »
Never seen Frampton, could be an interesting show.  I always considered Comes Alive one of the signature live albums.

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« Reply #220 on: March 02, 2010, 04:37:22 PM »
Never seen Frampton, could be an interesting show.  I always considered Comes Alive one of the signature live albums.

Not as good as Yessongs though. :neverusethis:
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« Reply #221 on: March 02, 2010, 04:39:05 PM »
Never seen Frampton, could be an interesting show.  I always considered Comes Alive one of the signature live albums.

Not as good as Yessongs though. :neverusethis:
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« Reply #222 on: March 02, 2010, 07:00:51 PM »
Completely different styles, but I'd put Frampton Comes Alive! up there with Yessongs.  Frampton is an incredible showman, and Frampton Comes Alive! is one kickass song after another, start to finish.  Nothing wrong with that.

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« Reply #223 on: March 02, 2010, 07:30:30 PM »
Just so everyone here knows, The Yes survivor has come to a close with "Beyond and Before" taking first. The survivor for Time and a Word has begun! Here is a link to it:

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=10966.0

Orbert, I listened to Natural Timbre finally. Phenomenal album, so many gems on it. Howe's work is definitely at its best when he's on the acoustic. Thanks for the recommendation!
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« Reply #224 on: March 02, 2010, 10:56:12 PM »
OK, I just gave Tormato another honest listen, and I can sincerely conclude that it isn't nearly as bad as most fans make it out to be. Sure it's probably the weakest release from their debut through Drama but it's significantly stronger than anything they've released since Drama (With the Keystudio material being a possible exception).
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« Reply #225 on: March 03, 2010, 12:11:38 PM »
I agree.  Tormato suffers from its relative proximity to much greater works, but isn't really that bad, and I also agree that it beats any of the YesWest stuff plus The Ladder, but probably not Keys.

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« Reply #226 on: March 03, 2010, 12:39:47 PM »
It's not that the songwriting on Tormato was bad or anything; it's just that the sound of it is so bad.  Howe's guitar tone is God-awful, and the keyboard sounds and tones are just wretched.  Overall, it is just an ugly-sounding album, at least to me. 

"Onward" from the Keys live CD is tremendous, though, I will say that.



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« Reply #227 on: March 03, 2010, 01:03:09 PM »
It's not that the songwriting on Tormato was bad or anything; it's just that the sound of it is so bad.  Howe's guitar tone is God-awful, and the keyboard sounds and tones are just wretched.  Overall, it is just an ugly-sounding album, at least to me. 

"Onward" from the Keys live CD is tremendous, though, I will say that.

See, I really don't think it sounds that bad, it sort of sounds like its in transition from a 70s to 80s production, but no quite either, but that doesn't really bother me. Going For the One clearly has that 70s feel, and Drama is definitely an 80s sounding album, and Tormato is kind of both, but not really.
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« Reply #228 on: March 05, 2010, 02:11:56 AM »
Tormato is solid, there are some great songs on it (Release release, Don't kill the whales, Onward), but it's still the least good album. I like Drama MUCH more.

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« Reply #229 on: March 06, 2010, 08:17:39 AM »
Tormato is solid, there are some great songs on it (Release release, Don't kill the whales, Onward), but it's still the least good album. I like Drama MUCH more.

Well yea, I wasn't saying it wasn't.
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« Reply #230 on: March 09, 2010, 09:28:31 PM »


Then you have all the solo stuff by Rick Wakeman and Steve Howe. 

Wakeman has an insane amount of solo material out there, most of which people have never heard of, and a lot of which Wakeman himself admits is pretty bad (and I agree).  The Six Wives of Henry VIII was the first and is still my fave, followed closely by Criminal Record.  Both of these are all instrumentals.  If you don't mind your prog with extra cheese, Journey to the Center of the Earth and The Myths and Legends of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table are both quite good.  There are extended instrumentals providing interpretation of the story, given in spoken word and singing, which isn't bad, but I end up wishing they'd just shut up so we can get to the next instrumental.  Selections From Journey to the Center of the Earth, which he actually recorded much later, solves that problem and just gives you the instrumentals, plus a couple of revised tracks from King Arthur and Six Wives to help fill out the run time.


Wakeman seems to have shot his load in the 70's, though.  He's released literally dozens of albums since then (seriously) and honestly, I don't know if even 5% of them are any good.  I checked out a good ten or 12 of them, and ended up nuking most of them from my hard drive.  The New Age stuff isn't bad (Aspirant Sunset, Aspirant Sunrise, Aspirant Sunshadows) and I kept them.  They have his knack for chords, but as with most New Age, it's meant for relaxing and/or background music.  In the 70's, he was master of the piles of electronic keyboards, but on his later stuff, I prefer just him and acoustic piano.


I like all of those '70s Wakeman albums you mentioned (cheese and all). I don't have Criminal Record, but I do have a handful of tracks from there on the Recollections compilation. I've even got Rhapsodies but never upgraded it to CD. (I'd love to have a Wakeman '70s box at some point).

I agree for the most part about Wakeman's post '70s material. More often than not I'd get something and sell it back. I've only kept his King Biscuit and Grey Whistle Test performances (which were from the '70s) and his 1984 album. I don't think I ever kept any of his New Age stuff (though I've got several of Jon Anderson's New Age albums).

I don't think I bothered with Return To The Center of The Earth either for some reason.


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Steve Howe also has a lot of solo albums.  As with Wakeman, my favorites are the instrumentals, but in this case it's mostly because I really don't like Howe's voice.  Natural Timbre is probably my favorite because to me, solo Howe is best when it's just him and an acoustic guitar.  His amazing electric solos with Yes seem to require a strong band (like Yes, obviously) for him to play against, and he never really manages to assemble a really strong band on his solo albums, so don't look for a whole album of technical fireworks, such as on a John Petrucci solo album.  Steve's solo albums encompass a lot of different styles, and that includes "regular songs" with him singing.  I haven't heard them all, but Beginnings and The Steve Howe Album, the first two, are both very good, the aforementioned Natural Timbre, and I think it was either Skyline or Elements that I checked out one time that was pretty good.

I also prefer his instrumental albums. I'm not sure if I have a favorite though. I enjoy  Natural Timbre and Skyline myself;  Elements not as much, but it has it's moments. I've even got Mothballs, which is a pretty cool compilation of tracks of Howe with pre-Yes bands like the Sydicats, Tomorrow, Bodast and a few others. I think Quantum Guitar and Pulling Strings (featuring excerpts of some of his work with Yes) are also good.


I doubt there are many people who would like his Portraits of Bob Dylan album, but I find it entertaining. I've also got a Howe album with Oliver Wakeman, but I can't say that I listen to that one much. I also like his work from the Relativity label; Turbulence and The Grand Scheme Of Things.

It's been quite a while since I've heard Beginnings and The Steve Howe album. Never upgraded those to CD.




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Bill Bruford and Patrick Moraz have a couple of albums out together, which are very interesting to me because you don't often hear music performed by piano and drums as a duo.  The first one was simply called Moraz-Bruford: Music for Piano and Drums.  Interesting but gets a bit repetitive after a while, as all of Moraz's solo stuff does for me.  Their second album was pretty much the same, and I didn't keep it.  I don't even remember its name.

Moraz is a brilliant, gifted keyboard player, but I find his solo albums rather dull.  The Story of i is his best-known one, and the compositions and arrangements are great, the keyboard sounds are awesome, and I still find myself admiring all that, but somehow not being impressed overall.  Something just doesn't grab me.  There doesn't seem to be any real inspiration or passion to it, just a bunch of clever stuff.


I've got both of those Bruford-Moraz albums (Flags is the other one)  and I like them quite a bit. I've never run across any Moraz solo albums, but I'd like to find some one day. I wish he was able to do more with Yes. Relayer is a top Yes album for me. He adds a different dynamic, which I think is great to hear.

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« Reply #231 on: March 10, 2010, 06:57:34 AM »
We agree mostly, so I guess I'll just say Thanks for reading and responding!  I do tend to go on a bit when Yes is involved.

Moraz definitely brought a different dynamic to Yes, and a lot of Yesfans think a second album with him on keys could have been really interesting.  Supposedly he helped write some of what became Going for the One, but never got writing credit (he got a "Thank You" in the liner notes) for the same reason Wakeman rarely got proper writing credits: label politics.

Anyway, I've loved Moraz's work with Yes and even The Moody Blues, but to me, he's one of those musicians who really works better in collaboration with others, not so well solo.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Not every musician is a performance major and has everything it takes to make a good solo album.

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« Reply #232 on: March 10, 2010, 10:20:30 AM »
Anyway, I've loved Moraz's work with Yes and even The Moody Blues, but to me, he's one of those musicians who really works better in collaboration with others, not so well solo.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Not every musician is a performance major and has everything it takes to make a good solo album.

I agree, I remember thinking after listening to Relayer, "Wow, he's really good, I'd love to hear him play some pre Relayer stuff with the band!" expecting it to be really awesome. After I got a few bootlegs though I'd say that Wakeman did a much better job than he did on all the songs from Fragile through Tales.  The Moraz versions of them weren't really anything special, and a lot of times he changed them and tried to improvise and it just didn't sound good at all.

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« Reply #233 on: March 10, 2010, 03:37:55 PM »
I was listening to Close to the Edge last night and was thinking about the classic lineup for Yes. It's pretty obvious who the classic member is for every instrument except drummer.  Bruford was there for what most consider Yes' clasic three albums but White has been drumming for them ever since then. Which do most Yes fans consider the member of the classic lineup?
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« Reply #234 on: March 10, 2010, 03:40:22 PM »
I'd say Alan White becase he has been with them since 1973 and he also played on my two favorite albums by Yes (Tales and Relayer).
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« Reply #235 on: March 10, 2010, 03:41:42 PM »
For me, Bruford counts in the 'classic' lineup. 
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« Reply #236 on: March 10, 2010, 04:38:09 PM »
Bruford.  He was much better, and while not around as long, he comprises what I consider their classic and definitive lineup (the lineup that recorded Fragile and Close to the Edge, arguably their two best records).

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« Reply #237 on: March 10, 2010, 05:08:50 PM »
That one is too hard to call.  They both are so damn good that I really don't think it matters.  I agree with quadro in that White has put in more time with the band.

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« Reply #238 on: March 10, 2010, 07:44:28 PM »
Back to the noob discussion.  Of the 2 albums I've so far listened to, Fragile and CTTE, I enjoy CTTE much more.  And You and I really gets me on every listen.  For a few seconds (around 6:25 or so), Wakeman doubles his melody a few octaves lower then fades it out.  Those small details jump out at me, and make repeated listens very worthwhile.

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« Reply #239 on: March 10, 2010, 07:57:01 PM »
Back to the noob discussion.  Of the 2 albums I've so far listened to, Fragile and CTTE, I enjoy CTTE much more.  And You and I really gets me on every listen.  For a few seconds (around 6:25 or so), Wakeman doubles his melody a few octaves lower then fades it out.  Those small details jump out at me, and make repeated listens very worthwhile.

If you've only listened to those two, get your hands on their other 70s albums (The Yes Album, Relayer, Tales from Topographic Oceans, and Going for the One)
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« Reply #240 on: March 10, 2010, 08:03:54 PM »
Now that I'm in that frame of mind I just have to update my albums ranking because it's been a while since I posted it and things have changed pretty dramatically.

1. Relayer
2. Tales From Topographic Oceans

1 and 2 are so close that they are practically interchangeable. If I have the time, I prefer Tales, seeing as its better when listened to all at once, but if I'm going for a single song, I'd pick something off Relayer.

3. Close to the Edge
4. Fragile
5. The Yes Album
6. Going For The One
7. Drama

8. Time and a Word
9. Yes
10. 90125
11. Keystudio

12. Tormato
13. Union (It still has a special place in my heart though!)
14. Talk
15. The Ladder
16. Magnification





17. Big Generator
18. Open Your Eyes
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« Reply #241 on: March 12, 2010, 03:33:10 PM »
Hey my fellow Yesfans, new tour announced with opener Peter Frampton.  Here's a link...
https://www.yesworld.com/ywtour.html

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« Reply #242 on: March 12, 2010, 03:38:02 PM »
They aren't even close to coming to the Northwest. No big surprises there.  :(
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« Reply #243 on: March 12, 2010, 03:45:58 PM »
Yea I just saw this today. Unfortunately, they don't have a Long Island, or NYC show so I won't be able to go.

They're probably going to have the same set list anyway, so I'm not really too bothered.
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« Reply #244 on: March 12, 2010, 04:03:45 PM »
BTW, everyone make sure to vote for Yes in the Non-DT bands poll!

https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=11322.0
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