2016 NFL THREAD - Super Bowl 51 - Patriots' Day: V - Screw Goodell

[KevShmev]

Hmmm, trying to remember the other times.  2001?  I cannot remember if the Ravens were back in the playoffs (pretty sure the Giants weren't).

1999 for sure, as the Broncos post-Elway and Falcons both fell way off.

[Rattlehead]

According to the article that I found, these are the 4 pairs of SB teams that failed to make the playoffs the following season:

Washington and Denver in 1988

Denver and Atlanta in 1999

New England and St. Louis in 2002

Tampa Bay and Oakland in 2003

So as you can see, this is nothing new for Denver 

[KevShmev]

That just means we're in the Super Bowl a lot.

I wonder if any other team has had their starting QB retire in the offseason after winning the Super Bowl.  Denver has had it happen TWICE.

[Rattlehead]

That is a great point... in the grand scheme of things, being a Denver Broncos fan is awesome  I love this team.

Can't think of any other teams that had their starting QB retire in the following season after a SB win off the top of my head though... 

[PowerSlave]

Did you guys see the run by Jonathan Stewart? That was pretty impressive.

[KevShmev]

That is a great point... in the grand scheme of things, being a Denver Broncos fan is awesome  I love this team.

Hell yeah!  I could make a huge list of great sports moments courtesy of the Broncos even if I didn't count the playoffs...

-The comeback win over the Chargers on MNF in 2012
-The comeback win over the Patriots on SNF last year
-The comeback win over the Chiefs in 1998 (trailed 21-7 and came back to win 35-31 to get them to 13-0 at the time); this might be my favorite regular season Broncos game ever
-Manning throwing 7 TDs against the Ravens
-That first win with Manning against the Steelers on SNF
-more magic than Elway than I can remember
-etc.

 

[King Postwhore]

The Drive of course.

[KevShmev]

That was in the playoffs, fool.

[TAC]

Another great Bronco moment.

"They hate their coach."

[Rattlehead]

Great list, Kev... Can't forget the "Holy Stokely" play against Cincinnati back in '09... I remember my cousin and I were going nuts in a sports bar after that play 

[KevShmev]

Nothing from the Josh McDaniels era would make my list, on principle alone. 

[Rattlehead]

I had to sit through an excruciating 59-14 loss against Oakland in person back in '10 courtesy of Josh McDaniels, so I hear you on that 

[King Postwhore]

That was in the playoffs, fool.

I skipped over your fluff.  Or I didn't read regular season. 

[KevShmev]

Plus, he was a cheating bastard.  The fact that he was fired for cheating once caught by the Broncos, and then immediately rehired by the Patriots, told us everything we needed to know about both organizations.

[King Postwhore]

Yet you are ok with management cheating with the salary cap the 2 SB years.  All teams do that crap.

[Rattlehead]

That is pretty telling that one of New England's coaches goes to Denver, gets caught for cheating there and then goes back to New England, who gets caught for cheating again 

[King Postwhore]

Kev, they all cheat.  We seen it again this year.  Why are you shocked? 

Besides Goodell will take care of.....Wait a minute. 

Bedtime for me.  I will check in tomorrow.

[KevShmev]

 

[King Postwhore]

 

Night!

[hefdaddy42]

After last night's win, Panthers tight end Greg Olsen only needs 8 more receiving yards to become the first TE in NFL history with 3 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons.   

[Cool Chris]

Doug Gottlieb was talking about possible MNF replacements if Gruden took a coaching job. Rex Ryan came up. I puked all over my keyboard.

While the Oakland didn't beat down the Chargers on Sunday, a beating did take place on the sidelines.

https://www.tmz.com/2016/12/20/chargers-masturbation-security-guard-criminal-investigation/

[KevShmev]

Post-Week 15 Power Rankings
1. New England - their defense, thought by many to be a concern, has now allowed the fewest points in the league
2. Dallas - gutsy win over an improved Bucs squad
3. NY Giants - the offense is still trying to get it together completely, but that defense is scary
4. Oakland - always impressive to win a road game in the AFC West
5. Kansas City - Chiefs biggest problem is their inability to put teams away, and that was on display on Sunday
6. Atlanta - back to back blowout wins without Julio Jones
7. Seattle - might luck into the 2 seed thanks to that non-call that allowed them to beat Atlanta, but this team isn't what it used to be
8. Pittsburgh - they never seem to win those road games where they come out flat, but they did this time
9. Detroit - this week is irrelevant; beating GB week 17 will be the test
10. Tampa Bay - despite the loss, there is a lot to like about this team


Trending Up:

Green Bay - on the verge of stealing the NFC North
Tennessee - I hated leaving them out of the top 10
Miami - looking to be the surprise playoff team this year

Trending Down:

Denver - 4-6 after a 4-0 start and will miss the playoffs
Philadelphia - this team needs WRs who can catch
San Diego - so many close losses this year

MVP contenders:

1. Matt Ryan - leads the league in QBR, and has a massive lead in YPA
1. Derek Carr - another 4th quarter comeback
3. Tom Brady - people who say he is clearly the MVP are delusional
4. Ezekiel Elliott - he make that offense go (okay, the o-line really does)
5. Marcus Mariotta - deserves a little love in the conversation

[Dream Team]

Really looking forward to what should be an epic clash between the Steelers and Ravens with the division title and playoff berth on the line. I anticipate a hard-hitting hard-fought game without the constant after-the-whistle nonsense that happens with Burfict and Pacman. The teams are bitter rivals but respect each other a great deal.

[dparrott]

So the latest on the California teams....SD is looking to move to LA.  Ugh.  If that happens, the Raiders have said they would go to SD.  The thought of "San Diego Raiders" sickens me.  And it's just moving from one bad stadium to another!  I heard that the Raiders would want to build a new stadium down there, but that plan has its own difficulties.

If the Chargers move to LA, I heard that they might change their branding and/or their name.  I know the Chargers started out in LA, but the name seems lame to me, and the branding is old and not good enough for LA. 

[Destiny Of Chaos]

Really looking forward to what should be an epic clash between the Steelers and Ravens with the division title and playoff berth on the line. I anticipate a hard-hitting had-fought game without the constant after-the-whistle nonsense that happens with Burfict and Pacman. The teams are bitter rivals but respect each other a great deal.

Talking to a Steelers fan/co-worker this morning about precisely the same thing. Cincinnati's dirty play has undone the Steelers last two playoff runs. The Steelers and Ravens rivalry is still among the league's best, and the teams go about it the right way. The Bengals are too toxic to find themselves in the same breath.

[mikeyd23]

Really looking forward to what should be an epic clash between the Steelers and Ravens with the division title and playoff berth on the line. I anticipate a hard-hitting had-fought game without the constant after-the-whistle nonsense that happens with Burfict and Pacman. The teams are bitter rivals but respect each other a great deal.

Talking to a Steelers fan/co-worker this morning about precisely the same thing. Cincinnati's dirty play has undone the Steelers last two playoff runs. The Steelers and Ravens rivalry is still among the league's best, and the teams go about it the right way. The Bengals are too toxic to find themselves in the same breath.

Agreed all around, it should be a great Christmas day showdown!

[cramx3]

So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

[Ben_Jamin]

And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.

[cramx3]

And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.

Yea I am OK with that.  Salvation Army got lots of donations right after that.  But then again, I am fine with players celebrating in general and think the NFL is too harsh sometimes on that.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

The penalty was too lenient. Having that walkie talkie for 5 plays is a huge advantage considering that the allowable headsets cut off with 15 seconds left on the playclock.  Like,... what was porn stache thinking? To have your draft pick moved down instead of taken away is a slap to the face of any Patriots fan who has endured the league's penalties for past transgressions... both legitimate and otherwise.

[hefdaddy42]

And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.

Yea I am OK with that.  Salvation Army got lots of donations right after that.  But then again, I am fine with players celebrating in general and think the NFL is too harsh sometimes on that.

Same here.

[King Postwhore]

But you know......integrity.

[Stadler]

And the NFL not fining Elliot because he jumped into a salvation army tank, it was all a publicity stunt for the Salvation Army.

Yea I am OK with that.  Salvation Army got lots of donations right after that.  But then again, I am fine with players celebrating in general and think the NFL is too harsh sometimes on that.

Look, I'm no Cowboys fan, and I waste no opportunity to rag on Jerry Jones (in particular), but c'mon.  First, fining Elliot is ludicrous, and even if they do, I imagine that it would be even MORE publicity for what (I think) is a good cause.  I thought that was really fun and playful and exciting (and again, I'm no Cowboys fan).


By the way, on that line, have to say, REALLY impressed by Dez Bryant.  Always dismissed him as a thug and a member of Jerry's Merry band of Outcasts, but he's really shown a lot of growth in my opinion.  I might be turning into a fan, actually. 

[Stadler]

So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

The penalty was too lenient. Having that walkie talkie for 5 plays is a huge advantage considering that the allowable headsets cut off with 15 seconds left on the playclock.  Like,... what was porn stache thinking? To have your draft pick moved down instead of taken away is a slap to the face of any Patriots fan who has endured the league's penalties for past transgressions... both legitimate and otherwise.

Were there ANY against the Pats that were legit?   

[cramx3]

If they were to fine Elliot, the only way I would say that's alright is if the fine went to salvation army and not to the league.  Like do somehting good with that money, but in reality it just doesn't make sense given the context.

So the giants got some big fine and the 4th round pick moved to the last in the 4th round due to the walkie talkie fiasco.  I'm fine with that as a Giants fan.  They broke a rule and should be penalized.  What I don't understand are some of the media and fans saying it wasn't harsh enough for cheating.  Maybe I am looking through blue goggles, but I don't really see this as cheating, but not properly following protocol when the headsets stop working.  It was only for one drive and did not seem to have an impact on the game so I am not sure why the Giants are being compared to other teams who have cheated in the past.

The penalty was too lenient. Having that walkie talkie for 5 plays is a huge advantage considering that the allowable headsets cut off with 15 seconds left on the playclock.  Like,... what was porn stache thinking? To have your draft pick moved down instead of taken away is a slap to the face of any Patriots fan who has endured the league's penalties for past transgressions... both legitimate and otherwise.

Im thinking he didn't know the rules on walkie talkies.  Which is ok, ignorance does not make it OK.  And I agree that if they were talking after that 15 second cut off, then it does give an advantage, but dealing on the fly with a broken headset gives them a disadvantage for a moment too just to resettle into the walkie talkies, but then as you mention, it's only 5 plays.  Not like the game was blown because of it, heck they didn't even score on that drive, and the intent was not to cheat.  Granted, if they lost the 4th round pick too then I probably wouldn't complain either.  I just don't get the comparisons of cheating when a team was just trying to deal with the situation on hand not intently trying to go around the system.