Sacul's controversial roulette v2. UNNECESSARY EPILOGUE

[Sacul]

So... hi. It's been a bit more than a year since my last roulette, and it's time for more controversy

So I've been running a list with my favorite albums, but this one turned up before than expected - the roulette will officially start when the list is over, which should be in a few days. My tastes have changed since v1, and expanded a bit, yet I feel there's much to explore left, so I hope you folks help me fill some pretty big, obvious holes in my musical library (think of most of classic prog or rock/metal bands from the 60s to the 80s). Trying to explain my current tastes wouldn't be enough with just a list of 50 albums, therefore I've written a few pages of text trying to make sense of what I like or not. Will get to it later though, for I want to explain some fundamental part of this roulette, and the most delicate, but also the one likely to turn off some people - just read all first, please.

You may have noticed in my sig, besides the nice quotes, there's a link that says "The To-Listen List Project". Well, long story short, it's a little pet project I started first with the intention of having a list with all the albums I wanted to check out (a proto version of it can be found on my first roulette), but kept expanding it with lots of classic albums I needed to check out, and some that looked interesting. Thing is... this list is too fucking long, that I even had to put it as an online spreadsheet file. It has, as of date, a total of 1877 records, spanning most of the musical genres in existence. Yes, even power metal, country, grindcore, hip-hop, electropop, and the like    My goal here is to give every kind of music a fair chance, so don't be afraid to send whatever you want!

So I started listening to some random albums from it, and while there where lots of meh stuff, found some gold. A few even ended up in my top 50. But... there are still a fucking lot of them. No, I won't delete any. But thought... doing another roulette would fill me with, like 50 new albums or more, not counting those already included in the list. You can now see where this is going, right? But wait, before you go, let me explain exactly how this will go - I've given much thought as to how to handle this, trying to find a balance between the players and their choices, and my own sanity.

So, now...

Rules

   
• A max of 15 players.
• 10 rounds with no theme, one final EP round with top 5 players.
• Scoring out of 5, and in case I need quarter of a point, a plus (+) will be added.
• No bonus points for whatever arbitrary reason.
• My scoring will be a bit harsh, but not as much as some other hosts
• Submissions for rounds shall be sent within 48 hours after results are posted - you'll be PM'd in case you don't send in the required time.
• You must send, excluding the final round, at least 5 songs belonging to albums on the list (that aren't scored a 3.5 out of 5 or more - that means they're banned, and the artist too). Of course you can send songs from the list in all the rounds, but sending more than the required will not get you extra points, but a thank you from me.
• You can send songs from the list in any of the 10 rounds.
• The preferred way of sending songs is Spotify links. If your entry is not there, or you don't have Spotify, then YT links. Neither? Email me the file in a MEGA link.
• PLEASE, when you send a song, let me know if it belongs to an album on the list or not - that way I can keep track of your list-only submissions.
• Length limit: 10 mins, and up 30 extra seconds, but no more unless specified.

Useful links:

   
• The mighty list
• Top 50 albums thread
• Top 100 albums. Here's the list with their names. Every band on the top is banned.
• My tastes (I do really recommend you giving this a read)
• Last.fm (not very accurate so don't trust it much)
• SputnikMusic profile (anything rated with a 3 or more is banned)
• Spotify playlists: Round One, Round Two, Round Three, Round Four, Round Five, Round Six, Round Seven, Round Eight, Round Nine, Round Ten . Best of Roulette.
• Finals' EP and score system.

Don't worry about the list, I've been adding most of DTF's favs, some of your typical submissions on roulettes, and even Coldplay and Winger

Participants

   
• Evermind
• Shadow Ninja 2.0
• Sneakyblueberry
• mikemangioy
• Biskit
• Tyrias
• Parama
• 425
• Fluffy Lothario
• Train of Naught
• Bolsters
• splent
• Elite
• home
• senecadawg2

If you're on this list but don't want to/can't participate, let me know.

[Sacul]

Banned artists
As a rule of thumb, any artist with a rating of 3.5 or more in the list or on SputnikMusic, is banned. If it has a rating of 3 or below, you can send it, but NOT from the album that has such rating in the list. For example, you can send me a Coheed and Cambria song that doesn't belong to Afterman: Ascension, but not one from that album.

It goes without saying, but the following list contains completely banned artists - the next one is more of a guide, as those bands are kinda allowed, yet not recommended (all in accordance to what was stated in the previous paragraph, ofc). All the songs I was sent in my previous roulette are banned too (you can find them at the end).

Happy zone (a.k.a. bands/artists I quite like - the ones I love are bolded)

0edit/Ed Harrison
A Silver Mt. Zion
Algiers
Alter Bridge
Amon Amarth
Amon Tobin
Anamanaguchi
Anathema
Antonio Vivaldi
Aphrodite's Child
Árstíðir
Ayreon
BADBADNOTGOOD
Beardfish
Bent Knee
Between the Buried and Me
Beyond the Bridge
Blackfield
Blue Sky Black Death
Boris
Boston
Brand New
Burial
Casualties of Cool
Chelsea Wolfe
Chimp Spanner
Converge
Daft Punk
David Gilmour
David Maxim Micic
Dead Can Dance
Death Grips
Depeche Mode (only Violator is banned)
Destiny Potato
Destrage
Devin Townsend/Band/Project
Diablo Swing Orchestra
DJ Shadow
Dream Theatre
Dredg
Faith no More
Flying Colors
Gazpacho
Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Green Carnation
Haken
Hammock
Have a Nice Life
Hybrid
iamthemorning
Infected Mushroom
J.S. Bach
Janelle Monae
Jethro Tull
Kanye West
Kashiwa Daisuke
Kendrick Lamar
King Crimson
Liquid Tension Experiment
Lunatic Soul
Mark Knopfler
Marketa Irglova
Massive Attack
Maudlin of the Well
Megadeth
Mike Oldfield
Neutral Milk Hotel
Nils Frahm
Nine Inch Nails
No-Man
Obsidian Kingdom
Opeth
Orphaned Land (only All is One is banned)
OSI
Pink Floyd
Porcupine Tree
Portishead
Pure Reason Revolution
Queensryche
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Rammstein
Refused
Riverside
Ruined Machines
Shpongle
Sigur Rós
Spiritualized
Steven Wilson
Sufjan Stevens
Swans
TesseracT
The Chemical Brothers
The Mars Volta
The Prodigy
The Who
Ulver

Danger list (a.k.a. bands I'm meh about/think they're just ok, but might give them another chance)

A Perfect Circle
A Tribe Called Quest
Agalloch
Alcest (only familiar with their debut)
American Football
Angra
Animals as Leaders
Beastie Boys
Bjork
Brian Eno
Circus Maximus
Coheed and Cambria
Cult of Luna
Cynic
Deafheaven
Death
Dire Straits
Earth (Earth 2 is the most boring thing ever)
Fates Warning
Flaming Row
Flying Lotus
Future of the Left
Future Sound of London
Genesis
Gorillaz
IQ
Kate Bush
Leprous
Meshuggah
Mogwai
MONO
Mr. Bungle
Mullmuzzler
Muse
My Bloody Valentine
Nas
Nirvana
Oceansize
Red House Painters
Shining
Stars of the Lid
Steve Reich
Strapping Young Lad
Subterranean Masquerade
Symphony X
Tool (only familiar with Lateralus)
Yes

Songs from the first roulette (The scores have been updated to the format I'm gonna use this time. Also, I've changed some I felt were unfair or too generous back then)

A Perfect Circle - The Outsider (Score: 3.5/5)
Agalloch - Odal (Score: +4/5)
Agent Fresco - A long Time Listening (Score: 4.5/5)
Alcest - Souvenirs d'un autre monde (Score: +4/5)
Alex & Jonsi - Boy 1904 (Score: +4/5)
Alter Bridge - Blackbird (Score: 4.5/5)
Amon Amarth - Embrace of the Endless Ocean (Score: +4/5)
Antonin Dvorak - New World Symphony, II. Largo (Score: +4/5)
Árstíðir - Heidin (Score: 4/5)
Assemblage 23 - The Cruelest Year (Score: +4/5)
Autumn Moonlight - Ghost (Score: +4/5)
Avantasia - The Scarecrow (Score: 3.5/5)
Beach House - Myth (Score: 4/5)
Blind Guardian - Wheel of Time (Score: +4/5)
Blues Brothers - Rubber Biscuit (live) (Score: +3/5)
Boston - Foreplay/Long Time (Score: 4.5/5)
Brand New - Limousine (Score: 4.5/5)
Caligula's Horse - Vanishing Rites (Score: 4/5)
Cartographer - A Sea Of Sunshine, But None For You (Score: +3/5)
David Gilmour - Where We Start (Score: 4.5/5)
Deep Purple - When a Blind Man Cries (Score: 3/5)
Demians - Naive (Score: +4/5)
Destrage - Smell You Later Fishy (Score: 3.5/5)
Destrage - Where the Things Have no Colour (Score: +4/5)
Dire Straits - Telegraph Road (Score: 4/5)
dredg - Cartoon Showroom (Score: 4/5)
Dredg - The Canyon Behind Her (Score: +4/5)
Fair To Midland - vice/versa (Score: 4/5)
Flaming Row - Time Mirror (Score: 4/5)
Frameshift - La Mer (Score: 4/5)
Frost* - Toys (Score: +3/5)
Gov't Mule - Forevermore (Score: +3.5/5)
Grayceon - War's End (Score: +4/5)
Guro Von Germeten - Fa Fa (Come Stand Before me) (Score: +4/5)
Half Moon Run - No More Losing the War (Score: +3.5/5)
InVertigo - Darkness (Score: 3.5/5)
IQ - Closer (Score: 4/5)
Iron Maiden - Paschendale (Score: +3.5/5)
Iron Maiden - Rime of the ancient mariner (Score: +3/5)
ISIS - Backlit (Score: 2.5/5)
Jon Lord - Sarabande (Score: 4/5)
Kevin Gilbert - Song for a Dead Friend (Score: 3.5/5)
Led Zeppelin - That's the Way (Score: 3.5/5)
Leprous - Forced Entry (Score: 3.5/5)
Lucien - Overture to Winter (Score: 4/5)
Ludwig von Beethoven - Symphony 7, Movement 2 (Score: 4.5/5)
Mark Knopfler - Privateering (Score: +4/5)
Kamelot - Memento Mori (Score: 3/5)
Mono - Everlasting Light (Score: 4.5/5)
Myrath - My Inner War (Score: 4/5)
Need - Mother Madness (Score: +3.5/5)
Nightingale - The One (Score: 2/5)
Oceansize - You Wish (Score: 4/5)
Pain of Salvation - A Trace of Blood (Score: 3.5/5)
Peter Tchaikovsky - Swan Lake Finale (Score: 4.5/5)
Peter Tchaikovsky - Symphony 5, Finale (Score: +3/5)
Philip Glass - Opening (Score: 4/5)
Pink Floyd - Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun (Score: +3/5)
Pink Floyd - Sorrow (Score: 3/5)
Pure Reason Revolution - Bullits Dominae (Score: +4/5)
Red House Painters - Katy Song (Score: 3.5/5)
Redemption - Love Kill Us All / Life in One Day (Score: 3/5)
Rush - Where is my thing? (Score: 4/5)
Russian Circles - Burial (Score: 3.5/5)
Samuel Barber - Adagio for Strings (Score: +4/5)
Schizoid Lloyd - Misanthrope Puppet (Score: +4/5)
Shadow Circus - Ixchel (Score: 3/5)
Shpongle - Star Shpongled Banner (Score: +4.5/5)
Sigh - Amnesia (Score: +3.5/5)
Sonata Arctica - Don't Say a Word (Score: +3/5)
Star One - Cassandra Complex (Score: +2.5/5)
Storm Corrosion - Drag Ropes (Score: +3/5)
Susanne Sundfør - White Foxes (Score: +4.5/5)
Swans - Helpless Child (Score: 3.5/5)
Tenhi - Huomen (Score: 3.5/5)
The Album Leaf - Window (Score: 3.5/5)
The Contortionist - Language I: Intuition (Score: 3/5)
Transatlantic - Duel with the Devil (Score: 4/5)
U.D.O. - I Give as Good as I Get (Score: +2.5/5)
Umphrie's McGee - In the Kitchen (Score: 4/5)
Voyager - White Shadow (Score: +3.5/5)


Regarding roulette bans:

   
• Every artist/band sent on the roulette whose song has received a 3.5 or more, is banned.
• If, and only if such song received a lower score, then the band/artist can be submitted again, but only once, indifferent of the score it receives the second time.
• Resubmissions can be from the same album or a different one, on the list or not.
• In case you resubmit an artist/band from the same album, and such record is on the list, that entry will not be counted as one of the obligatory songs sent from the list.
• Stating the obvious, but when a band/artist is banned, so are the albums by them on the list.

Bands/artists banned during roulette:

A Winged Victory for the Sullen
Afro Celt Sound System
Alt-J
Amadeus Awad
Anna Von Hausswolff
Arcade Fire
Arctic Monkeys
Arkasia
Bic Runga
Black Sabbath
Bob Dylan
Chroma Key
CHVRCHES
Coldplay
Damien Rice
Death Cab for cutie
Eisley
Enigma
Enya
Euzen
Fair to Midland
Foals
Frank Ocean
Glen Hansard
Gorillaz
Hiatus Kaiyote
Incubus
Kaki King
Kamasi Washington
Kishi Bashi
Koan Sound
Lechuga
Lorde
Ludovico Einaudi
Machine Head
Meat Loaf
Mew
Mree
múm
Nightwish
OutKast
Pain of Salvation
Queen
Rishloo
Rob Dougan
Roger Waters
Royal Blood
Rush
Ryan Adams
Saor
Shamrain
Slash
Snarky Puppy
Soundgarden
Steam Powered Giraffe
Streetlight Manifesto
Sylvan
Thank You Scientist
The Angelic Process
The Antlers
The Beatles
The Dear Hunter
The Gentle Storm
The Naked and Famous
The Stooges
The Tallest Man On Earth
Theodor Bastard
Thrice
Trioscapes
Vulfpeck
Yoko Kanno and the Seatbelts

Bands/artists available for re-entry:

Anthrax
Asia
Azedia
Blue Öyster Cult
Bon Iver
Caparezza
Cursive
Don Henley
East of the Wall
Emilie Autumn
Fletwood Mac
Foo Fighters
Frost*
God Is an Astronaut
Gojira
Horse the Band
Intronaut
Jeff Buckley
Karnivool
Kayo Dot
M83
Metallica
Native Construct
Nevermore
Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
October Falls
Oranssi Pazuzu
Pearl Jam
Pendulum
Periphery
Primal Fear
R.E.M.
SikTh
Sleep Party People
System of a Down
The Beach Boys
The Cardigans
The Legendary Pink Dots
The National
The Plot in you
TUOMAS HOLOPAINEN
Twelve Foot Ninja
Voices from the Fuselage
Yellow Magic Orchestra

[Train of Naught]

I'll read through the rules and stuff in a bit but I am definitely in, got some cool shit for you yo.

Okay so I think I get most of it, just not the 5 songs from your list thingy, is your list complete? Because when I open it it stops at BusRatch - Memorium.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

The list only goes to "B." Is that a mistake?

[Sacul]

That's the first page, look at the bottom for more

[Crow]

man i'm gonna die trying to send you songs from the list, i hope there are no themed rounds 
i'm in tho, gonna ruin you with metal you'll hate

[Fluffy Lothario]

Can we send a song that is from a band on the list, but not the album stated, if we think a different album is better, or there is a song on a different album that is a better intro to the band?

Can we send a live version of a song from an album on the list?

If either if those is a no, it shouldn't be a problem anyway, I think I saw enough stuff I know and like on the list that I could potentially try to stick to it for all ten rounds, just to help you hammer away at the list. 

[Train of Naught]

I'm probably doing just 5 of the list just because I have so much of my own stuff to send you, but there's some awesome albums on that list that I would send either way so we'll see.

man i'm gonna die trying to send you songs from the list, i hope there are no themed rounds 

There are not

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

That's the first page, look at the bottom for more

oh haha



^ me

[Sacul]

Can we send a song that is from a band on the list, but not the album stated, if we think a different album is better, or there is a song on a different album that is a better intro to the band?

As a rule of thumb, any artist with a rating of 3 or more in the list, is banned. If it has a rating of 2.5 or below, you can send it, but NOT from the album that has such rating in the list. For example, you can send me a Coheed and Cambria song that doesn't belong to Afterman: Ascension, but not one from that album.

Can we send a live version of a song from an album on the list?

Nop 

Before starting this, I checked top 50 lists from some of you and added a few of your all-times favorites

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Can we go ahead and send?

edit: haha, Devil Doll on the list. You know I'm gonna send that at some point.

[Crow]

thanks for convincing me i'm not crazy regarding this one


there will prob be enough albums i know to pick 5 songs i'd be rather happy with but i'm going to fill the other 5 slots with bands nobody else will send

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

I like Precambrian well enough, but Pelagial is miles better.

[Train of Naught]

Before starting this, I checked top 50 lists from some of you and added a few of your all-times favorites

That explains it, what a shame, for a second I thought you had developed good taste   

Is it likely you don't know any of the songs on an album on the list if it has no rating yet? I mean, it would seem logical, but then you have these albums that I would not believe you don't know a single song from.

[Sacul]

Well, if it is a pretty well-known song, it's probable. In any case, send it and if I'm familiar with it, I'll ask to resend and give ya my thought on that tune

Can we go ahead and send?

I'd normally wait until I finish my top 50, but since you don't seem to have any strategy, yeah, go ahead.

[Crow]

I like Precambrian well enough, but Pelagial is miles better.

Pelagial has missed the RNG bid thus far so I haven't gotten around to giving it a ton of listens yet (it's not in the set i just started today either) but i'll get around to it eventually

anyways there's only like 11 albums on the entire list i'd really want to send songs off of and i'm only gonna pick 5 (there was one artist i was surprised to see but you picked the wrong album so i'm sending them off the album i'm actually familiar with)

[Fluffy Lothario]

By the way, as a fellow insane listmaker, I can take one look at that list and tell you why it's overwhelming you: it's just one massive fucking list. You need to break it up, categorise the artists according to genre or something like that, to make it more manageable. That way, when you say to yourself, "I wanna check out some hip-hop", you don't have to sift through 1800 albums.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

sent

Can we go ahead and send?

I'd normally wait until I finish my top 50, but since you don't seem to have any strategy, yeah, go ahead.

how dare you

[Train of Naught]

Screw it, sent in advance, I'm pretty confident about this song.

EDIT: and added you on last.fm

[Bolsters]

I don't expect to do well at all, but I think I've got a couple of things that may appeal to you. Having to send five things from your giant list will probably screw me but I don't have a shot of winning anyway so it won't matter. Joining for the fun of it and to see if I am capable of sending even one song that you don't hate (fingers crossed).

Count me in.

[Sacul]

Great! 

Btw, new rule added regarding songs sent, please read it 

By the way, as a fellow insane listmaker, I can take one look at that list and tell you why it's overwhelming you: it's just one massive fucking list. You need to break it up, categorise the artists according to genre or something like that, to make it more manageable. That way, when you say to yourself, "I wanna check out some hip-hop", you don't have to sift through 1800 albums.

Well, I think at this point is not possible without ending up in the psychiatrist

I don't really check music based on my mood, so I just organize what I'll listen to in a weekly basis, and check those albums. I may ask a few friends to recommend me stuff from the list from time to time, but that's about it. I may encounter lots of crap, yeah, but I've found this has opened my tastes a lot.

Btw folks, all songs from albums on the list will make me check those records even if I thought your tunes sucked. Just so you know

[Sacul]

I don't expect to do well at all, but I think I've got a couple of things that may appeal to you. Having to send five things from your giant list will probably screw me but I don't have a shot of winning anyway so it won't matter. Joining for the fun of it and to see if I am capable of sending even one song that you don't hate (fingers crossed).

That's how I approached your roulette 

There's a fair amount of hard rock and heavy metal on the list, it's just a matter of choosing wisely

[Crow]

my goal is to send you:
5 artists on the list nobody else is very likely to send (i feel like 4 of the 5 are very unlikely to be sent by anyone else, with the 5th not very likely either)
5 artists that i've discovered through my personal searching this last year and that i doubt anyone else has heard of through any source other than myself

basically i'm gonna find you the good stuff
i'm also going to be sending mostly really heavy stuff apparently 

is there any limit on track length btw? one of the albums i'm gonna send off of, the shortest song is almost 12 minutes and it's my least favorite anyways 

[Bolsters]

There's a fair amount of hard rock and heavy metal on the list, it's just a matter of choosing wisely

I'm already seeing some electronic stuff on this list that I know, and I'm only up to C. If this trend continues I might be able to avoid sending rock and metal genres - I'm not too sure I could pick out stuff from those that would appeal to you to be honest. I've got some electronica and some dj0nt, I'm going to lead with that.

[splent]

I'm In!!!!

[Sacul]

is there any limit on track length btw?

I'd say don't go for more than 10 mins unless it's really worth it. With 15 people participating, I want to finish this quick

Added that rule to the OP.

[Crow]

ok then i'm changing one of the albums i'm picking off of, oh well 

[Train of Naught]

Then how am I supposed to send Devil Doll - The Girl Who Was.. Death?

[Sacul]

Well I might do a round with no length limit, but we'll see about that 

[Bolsters]

Yeah do that. I've got a 14-minute song here and chances are it might be the only thing I send that you like.

inb4 I send it and you hate it

[Sacul]

There's very, very little stuff I actually dislike and hate with passion (a bit of that explained in the My tastes link), so chances are you'd just get a 2.5/5 at worst, meaning I found it "meh"  .

[Bolsters]

There's very, very little stuff I actually dislike and hate with passion

Yeah we'll see about that.

[Crow]

Sent. I'm gonna burn through all 5 list picks for my first 5 rounds to give me more time to figure out what to send for the other 5 where I have more freedom 

[senecadawg2]

I'd like to join 

[Sacul]

Sent. I'm gonna burn through all 5 list picks for my first 5 rounds to give me more time to figure out what to send for the other 5 where I have more freedom 

I recommend this approach - it will also avoid you from being cockblocked early 

I'd like to join 

You're in!