2016 MLB Thread - FLY THE WORLD SERIES W FOR THE CHAMPION CUBS!!!

[Dr. DTVT]

It seems like every year some young baseball player is killed near the end of the season or shortly after.  St. Louis seems to be the team hit by that bugaboo the most.

Who else outside of Tavarez?

There was a player who got hit by a drunk driver who was helping a stranded motorist a few years ago.  Darryl Kyle also comes to mind (he was a veteran player at that point).  I feel like I'm missing another one as well.  I didn't really follow baseball from the strike to 2012, so maybe a Cards fan can fill in the details.

Nick Adenhart was a member of the Angels but I do remember Kyle.

I remember Adenhart, and he was killed by a drunk driver, but I believe as a car passenger. I was thinking of Josh Hancock, and I got the details backwards - he was the drunk driver and he hit a person who stopped to help another disabled car:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Hancock

[Prog Snob]

After midnight??  THE HORROR

The results speak for themselves.

I think you're being exceedingly judgmental with your hindsight bias. How many times has he gone out for a midnight boat ride without complication? We don't know. You're only calling it a bad choice because of the result. This isn't a lesson to be learned. Accidents happen regardless of intention or choice.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

After midnight??  THE HORROR

The results speak for themselves.

I think you're being exceedingly judgmental with your hindsight bias. How many times has he gone out for a midnight boat ride without complication? We don't know. You're only calling it a bad choice because of the result. This isn't a lesson to be learned. Accidents happen regardless of intention or choice.

It is what it is.  I have a 3 month old, and I would never put myself in harms way like that. He did, and unfortunately, paid the price.

I could die today on the highway between work and home. If it's meant to be, then so be it.... but I'm not going to willingly increase my odds of dying prematurely when I have other people depending on me.

[eric42434224]

Fishing/boating after midnight is not a poor choice.  If they were speeding (which has been confirmed I believe), and alcohol/drugs involved, then absolutely yes that was a very poor choice.

I have a family, but I play hockey late and am out sometimes well after midnight.  That is not a poor choice.  Drinking at the rink bar afterward and speeding home is a poor choice.

[Prog Snob]

Fishing/boating after midnight is not a poor choice.  If they were speeding (which has been confirmed I believe), and alcohol/drugs involved, then absolutely yes that was a very poor choice.

I have a family, but I play hockey late and am out sometimes well after midnight.  That is not a poor choice.  Drinking at the rink bar afterward and speeding home is a poor choice.

Exactly. Taking boat rides at night is extremely common. As a matter of fact, it's far more enticing and relaxing being on a boat under the moon and stars.

[Dublagent66]

I don't really follow baseball because I'm a football guy, but sports is sports and I like sports.  Truly a tragic loss at such a young age.

Regarding the choice to speedboat at night with low visibility, I don't think that is very common at all.  Most people do that during the day and even then, it's still dangerous.  Life is full of risk.  I'm just sorry that such an excursion ended in tragedy.  My thoughts go out to his family, friends and team.

RIP

[eric42434224]

As mentioned before, boating is very different from SPEEDboating.  Speed was one of the factors that cause this.....not boating in and of itself. 

[millahh]

Couple of necessary corrections to some of what has been said:
-Wasn't a speedboat
-Coast Guard said drugs/alcohol not a factor
-People boating at night is not terribly uncommon there
-An intense storm developed and started moving in right about the time that it's estimated they crashed, they were probably trying to get back to the marina in a hurry and got disoriented about how far out they were
-Everyone on that boat has their own personal agency, I doubt he forced anyone else on there

[Prog Snob]

You know, I'm trying really hard not to be a wiseass and mention something about giving your two cents even after the cat ate it.      You can punch me at the next DTF meetup.

You're right about everything you said though. This was just an accident and that's it. Nobody it to blame and it wasn't the result of poor judgement.

[millahh]

You know, I'm trying really hard not to be a wiseass and mention something about giving your two cents even after the cat ate it.      You can punch me at the next DTF meetup.

Alternately, I can use it to buy you 25 cents worth of beer 

[Prog Snob]

Don't ever say that Prog Snob isn't a cheap date.

[eric42434224]

You know, I'm trying really hard not to be a wiseass and mention something about giving your two cents even after the cat ate it.      You can punch me at the next DTF meetup.

You're right about everything you said though. This was just an accident and that's it. Nobody it to blame and it wasn't the result of poor judgement.

Well we really don't know if it was a result of poor judgement.  They could have been speeding recklessly and unnecessarily in poor conditions.  That hasn't been determined yet if I'm not mistaken

[Mr. Ister]

BUT WHY DOES IT MATTER

SERIOUSLY

One of the most appealing players in sports has died at 24 and you are trying to make yourself feel better by saying it was poor judg(e)ment?

[eric42434224]

BUT WHY DOES IT MATTER

SERIOUSLY

One of the most appealing players in sports has died at 24 and you are trying to make yourself feel better by saying it was poor judg(e)ment?

Not sure if you are speaking directly to me but....
-I am not trying to make myself feel better.
-I am not saying it was, or wasn't, poor judgement.
-The fact he was so famous, you should expect discussions about the circumstances of his death, and not take it personal.

If you weren't speaking to me, please disregard, unless you find my post of some value

[King Postwhore]

From what I've read a storm was coming, they drifted out a little to much, were speeding to get back and it caused the accident.  A sad line off events for this to happen.

[eric42434224]

From what I've read a storm was coming, they drifted out a little to much, were speeding to get back and it caused the accident.  A sad line off events for this to happen.

Truly tragic.  Big story especially right here in my backyard. 

[Destiny Of Chaos]

To those who suggested that the deaths were due to a pleasant night on the water under the stars, or the end of a fishing excursion.....


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/some-details-jose-fernandez-final-hours-revealed/

[Mr. Ister]

So what are you implying?  Staying out past midnight deserves death?

[Destiny Of Chaos]

So what are you implying?  Staying out past midnight deserves death?

Not at all. Of course he they didn't deserve to die. Better judgment would have prevented this. Period.

[Prog Snob]

I really don't want to turn this tragedy into fuel for a debate but your logic isn't very...logical. Do you ever break the speed limit when you drive...ever? Saying 'no' is a lie, so I'll just assume yes. If you drive one mph over the speed limit and you die, does that mean you made poor judgement? If you died while driving under the speed limit, does it change the events surrounding the accident? This isn't about poor judgement. It's a tragedy where everything aligned at a specific moment. If drugs and alcohol are involved then YES it's poor judgement, but as of now we don't know that. The autopsy results haven't been revealed.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

I really don't want to turn this tragedy into fuel for a debate but your logic isn't very...logical. Do you ever break the speed limit when you drive...ever? Saying 'no' is a lie, so I'll just assume yes. If you drive one mph over the speed limit and you die, does that mean you made poor judgement? If you died while driving under the speed limit, does it change the events surrounding the accident? This isn't about poor judgement. It's a tragedy where everything aligned at a specific moment. If drugs and alcohol are involved then YES it's poor judgement, but as of now we don't know that. The autopsy results haven't been revealed.

I think exceeding the speed limit without driving recklessly is a far cry from the position these men put themselves in. Of course I'll admit I was wrong if it is proven that there was no alcohol in their system, but the time of night + them leaving a bar is pretty damning imo.

My original intent was to post once on this and be done with it. I'm more than willing to drop this, other than posting "I was wrong" if it turns out that I've got this completely wrong, provided everyone else does.

The playoffs are around the corner. Plenty of actual baseball to be discussed.

[Prog Snob]

I really don't want to turn this tragedy into fuel for a debate but your logic isn't very...logical. Do you ever break the speed limit when you drive...ever? Saying 'no' is a lie, so I'll just assume yes. If you drive one mph over the speed limit and you die, does that mean you made poor judgement? If you died while driving under the speed limit, does it change the events surrounding the accident? This isn't about poor judgement. It's a tragedy where everything aligned at a specific moment. If drugs and alcohol are involved then YES it's poor judgement, but as of now we don't know that. The autopsy results haven't been revealed.

I think exceeding the speed limit without driving recklessly is a far cry from the position these men put themselves in. Of course I'll admit I was wrong if it is proven that there was no alcohol in their system, but the time of night + them leaving a bar is pretty damning imo.

My original intent was to post once on this and be done with it. I'm more than willing to drop this, other than posting "I was wrong" if it turns out that I've got this completely wrong, provided everyone else does.

The playoffs are around the corner. Plenty of actual baseball to be discussed.

I really didn't want this to turn into a morality debate either. And if there was alcohol in his system then the whole argument is moot because then I will concede that he was stupid.

I haven't watched any games lately. After the Yankees series against Boston I needed to take a breather. 

[TAC]

I'll be watching the Yankees tonight!

Oh, and...

Gary Sanchez is an absolute BEAST!

[Prog Snob]

ROTY ?

[orcus116]

Normally I would argue against shorter playing time vs other candidates but I don't even care in Sanchez's case.

[Destiny Of Chaos]

So proud of the Orioles for winning the last two games in Toronto. Now take care of business in NY and it's the playoffs again!

[TAC]

So proud of the Orioles for winning the last two games in Toronto. 

Me too!

[SchecterShredder]

Damn Jays!! A month ago i thought they were a lock for the post season. Now I'm holding my breath that they can make it out of the weekend as the 2nd wild card. Aghhh.

[Prog Snob]

I love the last couple of weeks of the season.

[TAC]

Damn Jays!! A month ago i thought they were a lock for the post season. Now I'm holding my breath that they can make it out of the weekend as the 2nd wild card. Aghhh.

I don't want any part of the Jays in the playoffs. Hoping the Sox take care of business this weekend. Though a Jays/ Rangers series would be fantastic.

[Cool Chris]

It's October 1st and the Mariners are still mathematically alive. Someone pinch me.

[JayOctavarium]

Damn Jays!!

Wut

[splent]

What happens if the Giants lose and the Cards win tomorrow? Who goes to the WC game

[SchecterShredder]

What happens if the Giants lose and the Cards win tomorrow? Who goes to the WC game

A 1 game playoff will happen to see who gets the wildcard....so they can play another 1 game playoff in the wildcard round.

Gotta give it to the MLB. They make the players play 162 games, and they don't hesitate to make them play extras for tie breakers.

[lonestar]

161 games, and it's down to Dodgers at Giants to see if we go to the playoffs. That's pretty much the essence of baseball in a nutshell for me.








(fuck LA)