2016 Roulette Championship v. THE CONCLUSION

Started by Bolsters, January 01, 2016, 03:35:44 AM

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Sacul

5% out of a 19-min epic is roughly a minute :P

Because I'm bored, I'll relisten that song and take the time whenever tribal drumming appears. Will report later.

Nekov

I have to admit Sacul is putting a lot more effort into winning this thing than anyone else. He's going to great lengths to explain why he sends stuff, telling judges specifically what they need to listen to or why they might not like the song and also some whining. I respect that.

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Tyrias

or he's just the most vocal about it in the public domain. Evermind sends pretty detailed explanations as well, but via PM. You're the only slacker left, Nekov.

Sacul

That's because I should be studying instead of whining, damn procrastination makes me do this stuff :lol

Nekov

Quote from: Tyrias on April 15, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
or he's just the most vocal about it in the public domain. Evermind sends pretty detailed explanations as well, but via PM. You're the only slacker left, Nekov.

Yet I was first for all expect the last round so... maybe it's not slacking, maybe I'm just letting the music speak for me....

Tyrias

Quote from: Sacul on April 15, 2016, 10:10:36 AM
That's because I should be studying instead of whining, damn procrastination makes me do this stuff :lol

I feel your pain.

Quote from: Nekov on April 15, 2016, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: Tyrias on April 15, 2016, 10:10:22 AM
or he's just the most vocal about it in the public domain. Evermind sends pretty detailed explanations as well, but via PM. You're the only slacker left, Nekov.

Yet I was first for all expect the last round so... maybe it's not slacking, maybe I'm just letting the music speak for me....
Well, you may have a point there.

425

Quote from: Sacul on April 15, 2016, 09:50:59 AM
5% out of a 19-min epic is roughly a minute :P

Because I'm bored, I'll relisten that song and take the time whenever tribal drumming appears. Will report later.

Yeah, I'm contending that it was much more than 5%. I just checked it out briefly (though I wasn't particularly thorough) and it was approximately 4.5 minutes between when it started and when it ended. Started at around 12:30 and ended at around 17:00.

And I'll second what Tyrias said about Evermind's detailed writeups. They're quite good, but he only really provides them in PM.

Evermind

Quote from: 425 on April 15, 2016, 10:49:58 AM
And I'll second what Tyrias said about Evermind's detailed writeups. They're quite good, but he only really provides them in PM.

It's like that Steven Wilson's monthly newsletter with exclusive content! :lol
Quote from: Train of Naught on May 28, 2020, 10:57:25 PMThis first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

Tyrias

One last tease before I post results roughly 24 hours from now:
Relative to your prior performance (player specific), one of you sent a top 2 song this round, one of you sent an above average song, and one of you a bottom 3 song.

Have fun guessing who is which.

Evermind

No way I'm beating my Mark Knopfler, Roger Waters and David Gilmour entries when it comes to your judgement, so I guess I'm either above average or bottom three, likely the latter.
Quote from: Train of Naught on May 28, 2020, 10:57:25 PMThis first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

Sacul

Considering I've done pretty well with you, it could be any of them. But my song is awesome so I hope I nailed another perfect score and it'd be top 2. Maybe it will sit next to Driven to Destruction tho :lol

Nekov

I really don't think my song is top 2, I'm aiming for the bottom 3 probably  :lol

Bolsters

I should update the banned list with these.


Blind Guardian
Florence + The Machine
The Appleseed Cast
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Sacul


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Nekov


Tyrias

So, as promised here are the write-ups.

Nekov: The Appleseed Cast - Great Lake Derelict
You were unfortunately correct with you guess that this is one of your weakest songs so far. That's not to say it's bad at all, but it also utterly failed at impressing me.
Stylistically, this is rather post-rocky with some male vocals thrown in. It has pretty hectic drumming, nice guitar melodies and does sound quite different from conventional post-rock, especially with the weird and hectic drum beats. The drums are also my favorite part of the song. They have a pretty active role, in some parts they feel more like the lead instrument than the guitar melodies (especially when it gets more complex). The guitars are nice and post-rocky, but nothing that blows me away in any way.  The weakest part here is his voice. Stylistically, his singing fits well with the song but he's just not a very good singer.
If you still want to win this, you'll really need to blow us away in the final round.

Evermind: Blind Guardian - Wheel Of Time
You were right on one account here: The oriental-sounding parts are probably my favorite part of the song. Other than that, you could have been a bit more confident, as this is my second favorite song from you this roulette, just behind Mark Knopfler and barely edging out David Gilmour.
On to the actual song: this is absolutely ridiculously epic in sound and production. I wonder how many tracks they must have used while recording this. This just sets out to be epic, and achieves its goal remarkably well. The orchestra is so integrated into the music that it actually feels like an orchestral track where metal elements and instrumentations were added later on, when the main body of the song was already written.  The metal parts fit in nicely, but they are hardly ever the thing that makes me love a moment and make it epic. The main vocalists is probably the weakest link here. Don't get me wrong, he's a good Power Metal singer and it doesn't really distract from the song, but I'm just not overly fond of that style of singing in general.  The moments in the chorus with a choir backing his vocals are pretty damn epic, though.
Also, does the title have anything to do with the fantasy book series of the same name? If so, they completely failed at capturing the spirit of that series for me (but I'm not gonna hold that against a fantastic song, especially since they might not have anything to do with each other after all.)

Sacul: Florence & The Machine - Seven Devils
So, yours is the slightly above average song.  Given that at least half your songs where a 4.5 (on the 5 point scale) or higher for me, that's really nothing to be ashamed of. I'm having a hard time deciding if I like your song or Evermind's more. Yours is definitely more catchy, that's for certain; it's harder to decide about overall quality.
The song itself is really hard to classify genre-wise for me, which in itself is already a good sign. It starts with some creepy sounds, then the percussion, piano and voice come in and it gets amazing. I love her voice in this context, the music is really made to fit with it perfectly and that main piano melody that gets repeated is a fantastic mix of catchy and really atmospheric. I also really like what they do with multiple vocal tracks and harmonies in the chorus, it sounds almost like a children's choir in the background. And then there is the highly controversial not-quite-so-dissonant string passage that is a fitting and really epic climax to an epic song, even though "epic" here means something completely different than in Evermind's song.
You can thank me for not accepting your first song. I'm pretty sure that gained you at least 3 points from me (we'll see about 425 and Red).


Evermind

You already sent out the scores, right? You won't change them depending on my answer? :D
Quote from: Train of Naught on May 28, 2020, 10:57:25 PMThis first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.


Evermind

Alright then, yeah, it's loosely based on the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan / Brandon Sanderson. If you paid attention to the lyrics, you would've noticed the references ("it's calling me, saidin, so precious and sweet" is a dead giveaway). I too think they failed to capture the spirit of the books, but they captured the epic scope just alright.
Quote from: Train of Naught on May 28, 2020, 10:57:25 PMThis first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

Sacul

Looks like Ev and I went with "epic feel" tracks this time - and that's actually a great power metal song :metal

Tyrias

Quote from: Evermind on April 17, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
Alright then, yeah, it's loosely based on the Wheel of Time series by Robert Jordan / Brandon Sanderson. If you paid attention to the lyrics, you would've noticed the references ("it's calling me, saidin, so precious and sweet" is a dead giveaway). I too think they failed to capture the spirit of the books, but they captured the epic scope just alright.

I just read through the lyrics and actually paid attention to them and was again reminded why I try not to pay attention to fantasy lyrics. The cheese is just too much.

"Wheel of Time, It keeps on spinning, there's no beginning", seriously? They'll definitely never win a poetry price like that  :lol.

Quote from: Sacul on April 17, 2016, 12:15:58 PM
Looks like Ev and I went with "epic feel" tracks this time - and that's actually a great power metal song :metal

Surprised to hear you say that :lol.

Evermind

That song and Telegraph Road by Dire Straits was what allowed me to actually win his first roulette. :lol

Quote from: Tyrias on April 17, 2016, 12:49:51 PM
I just read through the lyrics and actually paid attention to them and was again reminded why I try not to pay attention to fantasy lyrics. The cheese is just too much.

"Wheel of Time, It keeps on spinning, there's no beginning", seriously? They'll definitely never win a poetry price like that  :lol.

That was a bad idea. Thankfully you already submitted the scores.
Quote from: Train of Naught on May 28, 2020, 10:57:25 PMThis first band is Soen very cool swingy jazz fusion kinda stuff.

Bolsters

Quote from: Mr. Red
Quote from: Nekov on April 17, 2016, 08:35:01 AM
Quote from: Parama on April 16, 2016, 10:33:03 PM
where's harsh noise - harsh noise

Well, obviously Sacul is a big liar

I do admit I was quite disappointed.

I have done 3 listens so far, and I'm aiming for Monday afternoon/night for my writeups.
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Sacul

Will Mr Red's identity be revealed after the roulette?

Bolsters

Quote from: Sacul on April 17, 2016, 09:21:16 PM
Will Mr Red's identity be revealed after the roulette?
Yes, he will reveal himself once the roulette has concluded.
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Sacul

Interesting, I'm curious to see who he is, for I have failed to identify him based on regular users here, so he's either pretty new and inactive, or an old user I haven't seen yet.  :corn

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Bolsters

Quote from: Sacul on April 17, 2016, 09:27:57 PM
Interesting, I'm curious to see who he is, for I have failed to identify him based on regular users here, so he's either pretty new and inactive, or an old user I haven't seen yet.  :corn
Quote from: Mr. RedOr maybe I'm just that good, Sacul
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Sacul

Your tastes are definitely not of those whose roulette I've participated in, nor you in mine  :justjen

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Tyrias

Let's just say that I'm the judge with the lowest post count in here.

Crow

#1154
i am like, almost positive i asked bolsters if he was the red judge at some point and he denied it, tho
edit: i actually went to check and i swear to god i guessed this at some point but i can't actually find it in any of my posts so i guess not?  :lol