Dream Theater: The Astonishing (now with moment of betrayal!)

[Kotowboy]

At this point I'm anticipating finding out what the clickable eyes of the NOMACS do more than listening to the album.

Haha, something to ask to DT in future interviews.

Meanwhile on FB...... Petruci trolls us all showing off his copy of The Astonishing 

Not touching, can't get mad 

[boogity]

Forgot I had an account here and have mainly just been lurking.

But thinking about the last locked video, wouldn't it be awesome if it was a 2 hour companion video to the album.
Not sure if this has been discussed but ever since I had that thought, I hope that will exist in the future if thats not what the video is.

[Pragmaticcircus]

Forgot I had an account here and have mainly just been lurking.

But thinking about the last locked video, wouldn't it be awesome if it was a 2 hour companion video to the album.
Not sure if this has been discussed but ever since I had that thought, I hope that will exist in the future if thats not what the video is.

That would be amazing but I kinda doubt it.
But then what do we think it will be anyway, behind the scenes? Very unlikely. Another trailer? Hope not. Another visual companion? Could be cool!

[Peter Mc]

Not Bandcamp's fault.

Well, clearly their systems weren't adequate at preventing this from happening, so I don't think they're entirely blameless. That said, their response time seems to have been very quick, which I'll give them credit for!

We shall see how quick their response time is to give me my money back.  Ive already filed a paypal dispute.  Man I cant believe I got scammed!

It's an interesting point, I don't know how refunds work with digital downloads. I mean, you presumably did get the mp3s, you just (accidentally) got them from an illegal source. It's not like you can give them back or anything.

That's what I was thinking.

the sale was an act of fraud, and the people who bought did so under false pretenses...I'd think that is pretty good ground for reversing the transaction, even though the purchaser has the mp3s.

Also, the money has to go somewhere...either the site gives it to the fraudsters anyway (bad look for the site, as it incentives the behavior, and might even be illegal), the site keeps it (again, bad look for the site, as they would be profiting off of illegal use of their site), or the $ is refunded to the purchaser.  If I'm the site, I'm falling all over myself to give refunds.

Not really fraud to the people who bought the MP3 of the album as I assume they received an MP3 of the album. People got what they paid for. DT/Roadrunner have a legitimate beef as someone has sold their album without permission.

[olddtfan51@gmail.com]

I just want friday to get here. I know that Amazon is shipping mine tomorrow. So i know i will get it on the 29th.

[Pragmaticcircus]

Only a matter of time guys, only a matter of TIME  I can almost hear it playing on my stereo   

[Kotowboy]

I just want friday to get here. I know that Amazon is shipping mine tomorrow. So i know i will get it on the 29th.

Mine is shipping tomorrow too. I'm not gonna count on getting it on the 28th. I have Spotify if it's not here by Friday.

[BFRedrocks]

Forgot I had an account here and have mainly just been lurking.

But thinking about the last locked video, wouldn't it be awesome if it was a 2 hour companion video to the album.
Not sure if this has been discussed but ever since I had that thought, I hope that will exist in the future if thats not what the video is.

That would be amazing but I kinda doubt it.
But then what do we think it will be anyway, behind the scenes? Very unlikely. Another trailer? Hope not. Another visual companion? Could be cool!

In the email RR sent out about the delay for the box sets, they said this:

"In anticipation of the custom box set we plan to do everything we can to make this delay up to you by providing you with exclusive content and looks inside The Astonishing album, on a monthly basis."

So maybe there's something to this, unless we box set "buyers" truly get "exclusive content" that others can't access (at least directly).  Not sure what they're talking about, but still looking forward to Friday!! 

[volwrath]

Not really fraud to the people who bought the MP3 of the album as I assume they received an MP3 of the album. People got what they paid for. DT/Roadrunner have a legitimate beef as someone has sold their album without permission.

I didnt get my mp3 as I was at work at the time.
Im sure I will get my refund, especially since I bought through paypal.  I had even cancelled my amazon order as it was advertising flacs too. Oh well.

[Darkstarshades]

I hope I also get mine.
My only issue in case I have to depend on Spotify to hear it, are the lyrics and their accuracy.

[Bertie_Wooster]

I wish some interviewer would Ask James how long it takes him to memorize the lyrics. 
It has to be really hard to memorize the lyrics to a double album.   When James gets old
maybe he will start using a teleprompter like he alluded to in the metalsucks podcast.

[Laughing_man923]

So just got a second email from RR this time stating that the vinyls will also be delayed as well. This makes me sad, I wanted those on friday. 

[cramx3]

I wish some interviewer would Ask James how long it takes him to memorize the lyrics. 
It has to be really hard to memorize the lyrics to a double album.   When James gets old
maybe he will start using a teleprompter like he alluded to in the metalsucks podcast.

I don't think it's that difficult when you spend a significant amount of time laying down the vocals in the studio then rehearsing it for the tour.  I'm personally more amazed that JP knows all the guitar solos, but at the same time, it's still the same thing.  These guys play it so much that it's easy to memorize it.

[GasparXR]

I wish some interviewer would Ask James how long it takes him to memorize the lyrics. 
It has to be really hard to memorize the lyrics to a double album.   When James gets old
maybe he will start using a teleprompter like he alluded to in the metalsucks podcast.

I don't think it's that difficult when you spend a significant amount of time laying down the vocals in the studio then rehearsing it for the tour.  I'm personally more amazed that JP knows all the guitar solos, but at the same time, it's still the same thing.  These guys play it so much that it's easy to memorize it.

That is all very true. Also, if you're of a very musical mind, it can be very easy to memorize because it's something you're good at and connect with easily, in addition to spending lots of time with it and loving it.

[Darkstarshades]

You'd be amazed by the amount of things your brain can learn.
While I don't sing, I always encourage people who sing in my bands not to memorize the lyrics, but "learn" them, put themselves in the character's shoes. I got the firm belief that if you feel what you sing, you don't have to memorize anything, it just flows through, the same with other instruments.

James appears to do this very very well, that's why I admire him, not many singers in the musical scene do that.

[noxon]

Actual quote from JP ; " and the fans always request these songs like octavarium - I don't even know it anymore. I'd have to relearn it to play it now."

[Darkstarshades]

I'm pretty sure Petrucci can't play shit from LTE now.

[Bertie_Wooster]

Remember when Jordan made that video where he plays a song and talks the same time?
I wonder if he could play the entire Astonishing show while giving a running commentary.
They could put it on the dvd.

[pcs90]

Remember when Jordan made that video where he plays a song and talks the same time?
I wonder if he could play the entire Astonishing show while giving a running commentary.
They could put it on the dvd.

I do remember that! It was some kind of independence exercise. He was playing different rhythms in each hand and talking about his day, I believe.

[BlobVanDam]

I bet the eyes do nothing and are not actually clickable after all.

They are coded as buttons, they just currently link to nothing. That would be a hell of a troll.

[Kotowboy]

I bet the eyes do nothing and are not actually clickable after all.

They are coded as buttons, they just currently link to nothing. That would be a hell of a troll.

Hey Blob. Check out my stupid sludge . link in the Kinginese thread.

[Darkstarshades]

Everytime you click it, Ramsey scores a goal.

[ResultsMayVary]

Actual quote from JP ; " and the fans always request these songs like octavarium - I don't even know it anymore. I'd have to relearn it to play it now."

He said a similar quote during some clinics in 2012. Right after he played The Dance of Eternity, someone asked him if that was in the setlist and he said "Yeah. I wouldn't know how to play it right now if we weren't playing it on tour."

I'm sure when they decide what songs to play on a certain tour, each member goes through the motions to be able to play their parts whether they need to re-learn stuff or not.

[fadetoblackdude7]

Actual quote from JP ; " and the fans always request these songs like octavarium - I don't even know it anymore. I'd have to relearn it to play it now."

He said a similar quote during some clinics in 2012. Right after he played The Dance of Eternity, someone asked him if that was in the setlist and he said "Yeah. I wouldn't know how to play it right now if we weren't playing it on tour."

I'm sure when they decide what songs to play on a certain tour, each member goes through the motions to be able to play their parts whether they need to re-learn stuff or not.

Not surprising in the slightest, given how complex their music is, and how large their catalog is.

[Marion Crane]

Question for those who've heard the album....is there ever a call back to anything from TGOM? Seems like there would be.

[GasparXR]

Question for those who've heard the album....is there ever a call back to anything from TGOM? Seems like there would be.

There is one in Moment of Betrayal, although it's brief. Can't say for the rest of the album obviously.

[SystematicThought]

It may have already been discussed, but who is talking in Moment of Betrayal? The verses seem to be Arhys and some parts are Gabriel.

[Progmetty]

Still Tuesday, still fuckin Tuesday.

[Marion Crane]

It may have already been discussed, but who is talking in Moment of Betrayal? The verses seem to be Arhys and some parts are Gabriel.

I don't hear that call back per se. What I mean is the main riff ever brought back, or especially is the "my brother Gabriel" part ever brought back? Seems too important and epic to just be only used once and so quick.

[SystematicThought]

My question was unrelated to yours. 

I was just wondering who is talking in Moment of Betrayal

[BlobVanDam]

My question was unrelated to yours. 

I was just wondering who is talking in Moment of Betrayal

Up to 1:35 - Gabriel. Afterwards - Arhys.

[Evermind]

My question was unrelated to yours. 

I was just wondering who is talking in Moment of Betrayal

Up to 1:35 - Gabriel. Afterwards - Arhys.

Oh, now it makes sense. I was sure the first verse was Arhys setting Gabriel up and lying about Noise Machines being still this night, but I couldn't place the "you are acting very strange" part.

[lightbug]

Question for those who've heard the album....is there ever a call back to anything from TGOM? Seems like there would be.

i think there is one in A New Beginning

[pcs90]

Question for those who've heard the album....is there ever a call back to anything from TGOM? Seems like there would be.

There probably is, but if so it's subtle. There are some themes that reappear throughout the album in various forms, (Brother, Can You Hear Me is one example I can remember) but I can't remember anything from TGOM. I don't even think it shows up in either overture.

[erwinrafael]

It may have already been discussed, but who is talking in Moment of Betrayal? The verses seem to be Arhys and some parts are Gabriel.

I don't hear that call back per se. What I mean is the main riff ever brought back, or especially is the "my brother Gabriel" part ever brought back? Seems too important and epic to just be only used once and so quick.

The chord progression in the guitar solo in MOB is a callback to the guitar solo in TGOM.