Train of Naught Debut Roulette - And the winner is...

[Train of Naught]

Welcome to the Train of Naught debut roulette!

Hello and welcome, to the first Train of Naught roulette, I'm relatively new compared to most of you, but that only means you can get away easily with submissions that have been sent a million times, isn't that great? No?..



Basic Rules



I don't know how many participants I'm going to have, I guess whoever comes first, expect around 10 people. For the roulette format, I'm going to have 10 rounds, and the top three participants will be showing off in a final round. I want to mix the roulette up a bit with some themed rounds, expect your standard themed rounds, maybe a few eccentric ones aswell, oh and like Parama, I will name the rounds after some of my favorite songs, so the clever participants can think ahead and maybe predict the round themes (by the way, I'm not going to place the standard themed rounds in the standard round number, or am i? ). My rating system will be the usual 1-10 score, I feel it's the best way.
By all means, make me try out new stuff, I haven't been too active on exploring new music apart from the prog scene, so it's your chance to wow me, of course trying out whacky stuff is appreciated and will be rewarded if succesfull.

Lastly, don't be the one to slow down the roulette by submitting one week too late! I'm a very punctual guy, so you can expect me to be on time every round, I hope I can expect the same from you  .



Rounds (& Themes*)

- Clarity
- Breaking All Illusions *
- Wherever I May Roam
- When The Sun Goes Down
- Come To Life *
- Goliath *
- M.I.A.
- The Root Of All Evil *
- Paschendale
- This Is The End *




Participants:



1. mikemangioy
2. Bolsters
3. Sacul
4. Elite
5. Parama
6. Evermind
7. splent
8. 425
9. Shadow Ninja 2.0
10. Tyrias
11. LordCost
12. senecadawg2




General tastes:



Of course we all have one thing in common, Dream Theater, that's obvious, but pretty much all of the similar-ish bands I have either heard of and wasn't too fond of, or I already like and will probably be on the banned list.

- Nu-Metal I grew up listening to these popular nu-metal bands that I now realize aren't all that, so don't bother with nu-metal (although I don't think anyone would've gone for it anyway).

- Harsh vocals is usually a hit or miss, but I wouldn't go for all harsh, I like some mixed vocals with nice melodies at times, Protest the Hero is a good example, and if you really want to go all growls, make sure the instrumentation is top notch, cause it has worked in the past, but the chances are very slim.

- Electronic, I don't really care for it, electronic parts in songs doesn't bother me, but dubstep or anything related won't get you anywhere.

- Power Metal wins the cheese most of the times, often to a level where I can't stand it anymore, if you're thinking of power metal, make it as non-cheesy as possible.

- Rock, straight up rock is something I'm getting more and more into over the past few years, so this is fine.

- Vocals in general, this is huge, the vocalist is almost always what makes or breaks the song, as long as the instruments aren't god awful, I like me a singer with a very unique or just straight up amazing voice, especially when they use awesome vocal melodies in their songs.

Banlist



Red list

AC/DC
A.C.T
Alice Cooper
Alter Bridge
Amon Amarth
Arctic Monkeys
Avenged Sevenfold
Billy Talent
Black Sabbath
Brand New (The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me)
Brookes Brothers
Bullet for my Valentine
Children of Bodom
Circus Maximus
Coldplay
The Dear Hunter
Deep Purple
Deftones
Device
Devin Townsend
Dio
Dire Straits
Distorted Harmony (Chain Reaction)
Disturbed
Dorje
Dream Theater
Drowning Pool
Fates Warning (Disconnected)
Foo Fighters
Gojira
Guns n Roses
Haken
Iced Earth
Infected Mushroom
Intervals (In Time EP)
Iron Maiden
James Labrie
John Coffey
John Petrucci
Kansas
Korn
Lamb of God
Led Zeppelin
Linkin Park
Liquid Tension Experiment
Machine Head
The Mars Volta
Mastodon (Crack the Skye)
Megadeth
Metallica
Muro
Muse
Native Construct
Opeth (Pale Communion, Ghost Reveries)
Overkill
Pantera
Pendulum
Periphery
Pearl Jam
Pomegranate Tiger
Porcupine Tree (DeadWing)
Protest the Hero
Queensrÿche
Rage Against the Machine
Rise Against
Rival Sons
Royal Blood
Seether
Serj Tankian
Seventh Wonder (Mercy Falls)
Shinedown
Silver Fist
Slash ft. Myles Kennedy and The Conspirators
Slipknot
Stone Sour
Sum 41
Symphony X (The Odyssey/Paradise Lost)
System of a Down
Tesseract (Polaris, Altered State)
Three Days Grace
Tool
Tremonti




Green list

Animals As Leaders
Bon Jovi
CHON
Limp Bizkit
Redemption
Red Hot Chilli Peppers
Rolling Stones
Scorpions
Soundgarden
Trivium
Twisted Sister
Van Halen
Wolfmother
Rush (ONLY 2112)



Banned during roulette:
Voices from the Fuselage
Yes
JOLLY
Thrice
Avantasia
Anathema
Damien Rice
Jeff Buckley
Navarone
Coheed and Cambria
David Maxim Micic
Glen Hansard
Thunderstone
Beyond the Bridge
Ben Folds Five
Celdweller
Caravan Palace
Russkaja
Caligula’s Horse
Leprous
IQ
Vanden Plas
East of the Wall
Kamelot
Destiny Potato
Ayreon (2)
Flying Colors
Nine Inch Nails
Azedia
Queen
Meatloaf
Porcupine Tree
Susanne Sundfor
Genesis
Sleep Party People
Árstíðir
Mr. Mister
Pineforest Crunch
Ayreon
Tuomas Holopainen
Journey
Animals As Leaders
Pain of Salvation
Agent Fresco
David Gray
Sigur Rós
PFM
Steven Wilson
Santigold
Creed
Mark Knopfler
Papadosio
Nightwish
Riverside
Oceansize
Big Big Train
Scale the Summit
Unexpect
The Tallest Man On Earth
Tom Waits
Transatlantic
Ne Obliviscaris
Devil Doll
Mono
Destrage
Enslaved
Pink Floyd
Between the Buried and Me
Need
Frost*
The Human Abstract
The Black Mages
Rishloo
Thank You Scientist
Agalloch
The Plot In You
Twelve Foot Ninja
Dredg
Amadeus Awad
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones
Bent Knee
Death Cab For Cutie
Theocracy
Circle Takes the Square
The Angelic Process
Ulver
Opeth
Obsidian Kingdom
Swans
Primal Fear
Cave In
Chelsea Wolfe
PJ Harvey
Tori Amos
Sufjan Stevens
Bon Iver
Igorrr
Jon Gomm
Vangough
The National
Rush
Soilwork
Whitesnake
Epysode
Triumph
Intronaut
Blind Guardian
Gentle Giant
The Dillinger Escape Plan
Nirvana
Kyuss
Circle of Illusion
Celesty
Amplifier
.fun
Lesoir
Bruce Dickinson

I got bored of ranking all the artists so I just dumped the rest of them at the bottom of the list and will keep doing so. I'll do like a top 20/25 roulette songs at the end of the roulette.




I'll explain how this works, you have the red list, which is completely off the table, some artists only have one or two banned albums, therefore I have heard absolutely nothing of the other albums and although it's more fun to send odd new stuff, the non-banned albums are available for submission.
The green list is for that individual you secretly have in every roulette, thinking "maybe I can score some easy points with this very popular and interesting song that the host apparently doesn't know for some reason", the artists on the green list are available for entries, but I know their vastly popular material, I'm not going to bother writing down every single song I know, but you get the gist.


(I'm going to complete my banned list during the intro week, before round 1 starts, because I'm sure I missed a few.)


Submitting

Youtube/Spotify is probably the easiest way for me, but sending me an mp3 file is fine too, as long as it's an audio quality I can work with. Whether you want to send it via e-mail or DTF PM, I don't care, I keep my inbox clean so you could go both ways. (marchebv@gmail.com)




On a final note, don't feel rushed, I'm going to let this roulette wait for a bit until there's enough people, and start off when the timing feels right.

[mikemangioy]

This'll be fun! Count me in.

[Bolsters]

I don't have much of an idea of your taste, and your roulette has themes. I usually have a good idea what people like when I join their roulettes, and I've never done one with themes before. But I'd like to join all the same - it should be interesting to try something different.

Electronic, I don't really care for it, electronic parts in songs doesn't bother me, but dubstep or anything related won't get you anywhere.

Didn't you send someone a Pendulum song? I was hoping to get a bit of electronic stuff through. I'm still going to send some despite this warning so watch out.

[Train of Naught]

Well yeah I liked Pendulum back in the days where they were an actual band and played live with their respective instruments, I still enjoy some Electronic, Brookes Brothers is on the banned list (which is Drum and Bass), it is accessible for me, but I want it to be more on the melodic side, and I don't think I've ever heard melodic dubstep .

[Sacul]

Dubstep is just one (mostly) lame electronic subgenre - there's some fucking gold in electronic music.

Oh, and I'll join of course.

[Train of Naught]

Dubstep is just one (mostly) lame electronic subgenre - there's some fucking gold in electronic music.

Oh, and I'll join of course.

Go for it! We both profit from good submissions after all.


Rounds (& Themes?)

- Clarity
- Breaking All Illusions
- Wherever I May Roam
- When The Sun Goes Down
- Come To Life
- Goliath
- M.I.A.
- The Root Of All Evil
- Paschendale
- This Is The End




Some may be very obvious, some may be a stretch (I know at least two of 'em are), but also just take this as a free deeper insight on some of my tastes, obviously these aren't all my favorite songs, after all it had to fit their respective themes atleast slightly.

[Elite]

I don't have much of an idea of your taste, and your roulette has themes. I usually have a good idea what people like when I join their roulettes, and I've never done one with themes before. But I'd like to join all the same - it should be interesting to try something different.

This, basically. Count me in if you'll have me!

[Crow]

might as well go three for three on roulettes, count me in 

i'm glad someone liked my song-names-as-theme-titles idea 

[Evermind]

I'm in. You seem to be a guy with the tastes much different from mine, so I expect to finish last or whatever, but hell, I'll play.

[splent]

I'm in!!!

[Train of Naught]

might as well go three for three on roulettes, count me in 

i'm glad someone liked my song-names-as-theme-titles idea 

Hellz yeah, too bad Drumhead Trial was taken, that's by far the most badass Volition song name.

..so I expect to finish last or whatever, but hell, I'll play.

That's the spirit!!

[425]

I'll give it a try and join if you'll have me. No promises about my level of success, though... I expect to finish behind Evermind.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

Hey I guess I'll join this one too, I've got some shit I can send.

[Evermind]

..so I expect to finish last or whatever, but hell, I'll play.

That's the spirit!!

Yeah.

Gotta warn you though, I'm going to be on business trip from Wednesday to Saturday, so the earliest I'll be able to send R1 is Sunday.

[Tyrias]

I'd like to play as well, I think I have some interesting music to mix this up a bit. Not expecting to win this, but if I can get you to like some stuff outside your comfort zone I'll consider this a win already .

[Train of Naught]

Alright, we have gotten ourselves 10 participants, I'm willing to set the maximum amount to 12, so if someone still wants in just say so, but this weekend round one will be open for submissions and from there on the roulette will be closed.

[LordCost]

I'd like to play if you want!

[senecadawg2]

I'll play, if you'll have me, because I'm an addict

[Train of Naught]

Aaaaand we're full. Round one starts friday thursday.

[Train of Naught]

Round One: Clarity
Hello folks, you might think this is pretty anticlimactic for a first round, it's an OPEN ROUND, so don't worry, you can send anything you like (but if I don't like it you should still worry).

I was going to start friday, but I guess announcing the round doesn't matter, I'm just making sure everyone knows they can send now, don't feel rushed, I'll start scheduling the songs when I have gotten all of them. The second round will be announced right after the results from round one and so forth.

[Evermind]

As I said, I won't be able to send before Sunday.

[Crow]

there's already like 5 or 6 artists i want to send before someone jumps on them because your list has some delicious holes that need plugging omg
my initial list for you has 21 songs already and i may have to improvise for some of the themes so this should definitely turn out disastrous 

edit: SENT. I decided to plug my favorite hole straightaway before someone else gets to it 

[Bolsters]

Sent some rock. Hoping it doesn't get rejected.

[Train of Naught]

Both are new to me, so nothing's getting rejected.

And Evermind, I know about your business trip, I didn't plan on starting the listens this week anyway, I don't even think I'll have everything by then, so it'll probably be by next weekend or something, maybe earlier maybe later.

[Tyrias]

Well yeah I liked Pendulum back in the days where they were an actual band and played live with their respective instruments, I still enjoy some Electronic, Brookes Brothers is on the banned list (which is Drum and Bass), it is accessible for me, but I want it to be more on the melodic side, and I don't think I've ever heard melodic dubstep .

I'm gonna remedy that fact in the first round. What's your stance on spoken word samples?

Okay, what about live versions of songs? I just found an awesome live studio version of the song I wanted to send, which makes it not really dubstep anymore, but who cares .

[Train of Naught]

This reminded me Pendulum should be on the banned list, edited.

I used to listen to this drumstep artist who had really corny and overly autotuned vocals he did himself, I enjoyed the musical part but the vocals really annoyed me, but if you're planning to use songs with spoken word samples make them not repeat a hundred times in the song and it probably won't be a problem.
As for live studio songs, I don't mind, as long as it doesn't hurt the audio quality.

[Tyrias]

Sent.

[senecadawg2]

I really love When the Sun Goes Down, by the way. Nice to see it referenced here.

I'll send today

[Elite]

I'll send when I get home. Any music preferences?

[splent]

I'll send tonight

[Train of Naught]

I think I heard When the Sun Goes Down for the first time at some indie nightclub I guess it was at least a partially benefitial evening.

As for musical preferences, something that fits the theme "Open Round". But seriously, just send anything you think fits my tastes, from the looks of artist names I know I've already received very different types of songs, I'll go through the 'risky picks' so to say shortly for you:

Growls are a risk, but when used properly, can add.
Power Metal is also a risk, only when you have something you think can change my mind about the genre would I recommend it.
Electronic: Can be completely fine, see conversation above.

[mikemangioy]

Sent!

[Elite]

I was merely asking because, although I've seen your name on these forums, I don't really have any idea what your music preferences are and thus what I should send, but I'll just send something I really like and see where that will lead me.

[Shadow Ninja 2.0]

sent

[Sacul]

Do you like djent?