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DT the League 2016 - TRAPPED INSIDE THIS OCTAVARIUM
« on: October 24, 2015, 09:32:13 AM »
DT the League 2015 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=42658.0
DT the League 2014 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=39921.0
DT the League 2013 - https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=34282.0


It's time to make preparations for the next year of the league.

It seems that the majority preferred the Division format, so we'll be doing that again. Promotions for the top 4 from Division 2 and Division 3. Demotions for the bottom 4 from each division.

There will be a survivor for the songs that weren't involved in the league last year. Joining them will be the 4 songs that were demoted from Division 3. This survivor will begin on or around November 1st and will end when there are only 4 songs remaining. These songs will be promoted to Division 3. The song list is as follows. If you feel that a song not included should be added, please let me know.

OUTSIDERS
Another Won
Build Me Up, Break Me Down
Burning My Soul
Cover My Eyes
Don’t Look Past Me
Enigma Machine (Demoted from Division 3)
Just Let Me Breathe (Demoted from Division 3)
Light Fuse and Get Away
Never Enough (Demoted from Division 3)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
Prophets of War
Raw Dog
Regression
A Rite of Passage (Demoted from Division 3)
Speak to Me
Status Seeker
Take Away My Pain
The Way It Used to Be
Through My Words
You Not Me
You Or Me

Division 3 Songs for 2016
1.   Afterlife (Demoted from Division 2)
2.   Along for the Ride
3.   Anna Lee
4.   The Answer Lies Within
5.   Behind the Veil (Demoted from Division 2)
6.   Beneath the Surface
7.   The Best of Times (Demoted from Division 2)
8.   Constant Motion
9.    The Dark Eternal Night
10.    Eve
11.    False Awakening Suite
12.    Far From Heaven
13.    Forsaken
14.    A Fortune In Lies
15.    Honor Thy Father
16.    I Walk Beside You
17.   The Killing Hand
18.   The Looking Glass
19.   New Millennium
20.   Only a Matter of Time
21.   Raise the Knife
22.   Repentance
23.   The Silent Man
24.   Through Her Eyes (Demoted from Division 2)
25.   To Live Forever
26.   Vacant
27.   Wither
28.   Ytse Jam
29.   OUTSIDER ONE - TBD
30.   OUTSIDER TWO - TBD
31.   OUTSIDER THREE - TBD
32.   OUTSIDER FOUR - TBD


Division 2 Songs for 2016
1.   6:00
2.   Another Day
3.   As I Am (2015 Division 3 Champion)
4.   The Bigger Picture
5.   Caught in a Web
6.   The Dance of Eternity
7.   The Enemy Inside 
8.   Erotomania
9.   The Great Debate (Demoted from Division 1)
10.   Hell’s Kitchen (Demoted from Division 1)
11.   Hollow Years (Division 3 Fourth Place Song)
12.   Innocence Faded 
13.   Lie 
14.   Lost Not Forgotten (Division 3 Third Place Song)
15.   The Ministry of Lost Souls
16.   A Nightmare to Remember
17.   On the Backs of Angels
18.   One Last Time   
19.   Outcry
20.   Overture 1928 (Demoted from Division 1)
21.   Panic Attack
22.   Peruvian Skies   
23.   Pull Me Under (Demoted from Division 1) 
24.   The Root of All Evil
25.   Sacrificed Sons
26.   The Shattered Fortress (Division 3 Runner Up)
27.   Strange déjà vu
28.   Surrender to Reason
29.   These Walls
30.   Wait For Sleep
31.   This Dying Soul                       
32.   This is the Life     


Division 1 Songs for 2016
1.   Beyond This Life 
2.   Blind Faith
3.   Breaking All Illusions (Division 1 Runner Up) 
4.   Bridges in the Sky
5.   A Change of Seasons (Division 1 Third Place Song)
6.   The Count of Tuscany
7.   Disappear
8.   Endless Sacrifice (Division 2 Third Place Song)
9.   Fatal Tragedy
10.   Finally Free
11.   Home
12.   The Glass Prison
13.   Illumination Theory
14.   In the Name of God
15.   In the Presence of Enemies
16.   Learning to Live (Division 1 Fourth Place Song)
17.   Lifting Shadows off a Dream (Division 2 Fourth Place Song)
18.   Lines in the Sand 
19.   Metropolis
20.   The Mirror
21.   Misunderstood (Division 2 Runner Up)
22.   Octavarium (2015 Division 1 Champion)
23.   Scarred
24.   Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
25.   Space-Dye Vest
26.   The Spirit Carries On
27.   Stream of Consciousness
28.   Surrounded (2015 Division 2 Champion)
29.   Take the Time
30.   Trial of Tears
31.   Under a Glass Moon
32.   Voices




The 2016 season itself will begin on or around December 14th.


Music from DT-13 will not be featured this year. After the Championships, we will have a survivor/mini-league or tournament to integrate the new songs into the various divisions for the 2017 season.






If anyone has any questions, suggestions etc. Comment below!

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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2015, 10:07:16 AM »
Sounds good, looking forward to it!
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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2015, 10:18:39 AM »
Light Fuse and Get Away hype!
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2015, 12:28:47 PM »
Looks good to me!

The only song on that list that's worse than Light Fuse and Get Away is Raw Dog.
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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2015, 02:56:24 PM »
Good to see you're still doing it DoC! I'll be voting regularly, just like I did last year. Looking forward to this.
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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2015, 03:49:03 PM »
Yay! DT the League lives again! I like the idea of the Outsiders Survivor forming a "prologue" to the regular season.

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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2015, 07:15:21 PM »
How the hell is Never Enough not even on the 3° division? I'll defend it over the rest of the songs in the Outsiders group when the time comes  :metal

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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2015, 01:56:58 AM »
I reckon at least one of the demoted songs will get a reprieve and be re-promoted back into Division 3 like a yo-yo.

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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2015, 01:59:49 AM »
Yep, that should indeed be Never Enough, easily Division 3 material for me.
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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2015, 01:30:35 AM »
Can someone explain to me how this works? I have no clue what's going on.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2015, 02:09:06 AM »
So all the DT songs are placed in divisions, decided by previous survivors. Inbetween those divisions survivors will be held, where 2 songs go up to eachother and we vote for the best, that way songs can move up a division or degrade downwards. (This is what I understood from it this year, the only time I've participated.)
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2015, 02:35:28 AM »
There's a 20-week 'regular season', with matchups chosen at random by DoC's schedule generator. The 16 songs in each division with the best win-loss records after that go through to that division's final tournament, which will determine its champion through a knockout tournament.

The 4 semi-finalists from Divisions 2 and 3 get promoted up to Divisions 1 and 2 respectively for the following season. The four bottom-ranked songs from each division after the regular season get relegated to the division below, with the Division 3 songs dropping into the Outsiders.
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2015, 03:00:58 AM »
So all the DT songs are placed in divisions, decided by previous survivors. Inbetween those divisions survivors will be held, where 2 songs go up to eachother and we vote for the best, that way songs can move up a division or degrade downwards. (This is what I understood from it this year, the only time I've participated.)
There's a 20-week 'regular season', with matchups chosen at random by DoC's random schedule generator. The 16 songs in each division with the best win-loss records after that go through to that division's final tournament, which will determine its champion through a knockout tournament.

The 4 semi-finalists from Divisions 2 and 3 get promoted up to Divisions 1 and 2 respectively for the following season. The four bottom-ranked songs from each division after the regular season get relegated to the division below, with the Division 3 songs dropping into the Outsiders.

Okay, I think I get it.

Anyway, looking forward to the season. May the best song win! :smiley:
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2015, 03:12:44 AM »
BAI almost got the upset win against Octavarium last time!  :metal
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2015, 04:15:11 PM »
Octavarium comes into this on the back of two straight 100% perfect seasons. Its only defeat came in the 2013 "Semi-Finals". A formidable record.

It's also the only song with a perfect regular season record (60-0) for the entire run of DT the League. Some more songs for comparison:

A Change of Seasons - 58-2
Breaking All Illusions - 57-3
Metropolis - 56-3-1
Learning to Live - 55-5
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2015, 05:11:29 AM »
Octavarium comes into this on the back of two straight 100% perfect seasons. Its only defeat came in the 2013 "Semi-Finals". A formidable record.

It's also the only song with a perfect regular season record (60-0) for the entire run of DT the League. Some more songs for comparison:

A Change of Seasons - 58-2
Breaking All Illusions - 57-3
Metropolis - 56-3-1
Learning to Live - 55-5

I love seeing posts like this. Thanks for researching and sharing!

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2015, 09:27:58 AM »
W00t!
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2015, 12:03:59 PM »
I'm looking forward to it as always!!    :metal

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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2015, 07:09:02 PM »
Octavarium comes into this on the back of two straight 100% perfect seasons. Its only defeat came in the 2013 "Semi-Finals". A formidable record.

It's also the only song with a perfect regular season record (60-0) for the entire run of DT the League. Some more songs for comparison:

A Change of Seasons - 58-2
Breaking All Illusions - 57-3
Metropolis - 56-3-1
Learning to Live - 55-5

That seems about right.
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Re: DT the League 2016
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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2015, 05:54:47 AM »
I know I'm jumping way ahead here, but I've been thinking...now we know the full tracklist for DT13 (The Astonishing), that's a maximum of 34 songs we'll need to add to the 2017 League. If they're to be spread evenly, we're talking 8.5 extra songs per division, including the Outsiders Club. Just pointing out, is all.

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2015, 06:50:32 AM »
Indeed. It will be quite the undertaking. We'll have to see if they're all proper songs, or if some of those tracks are interludes, Regardless... we'll do something special for The Astonishing when the time is right and get the songs in the appropriate divisions for next year.

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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2015, 10:07:11 AM »
Octavarium comes into this on the back of two straight 100% perfect seasons. Its only defeat came in the 2013 "Semi-Finals". A formidable record.

It's also the only song with a perfect regular season record (60-0) for the entire run of DT the League. Some more songs for comparison:

A Change of Seasons - 58-2
Breaking All Illusions - 57-3
Metropolis - 56-3-1
Learning to Live - 55-5

I love seeing posts like this. Thanks for researching and sharing!

Yeah, that's pretty cool.  All of those songs are much deserving of those stats.  Would be nice to see BAI move into that top spot.  Thanks for doing this again DoC.  You do a hell of job.

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2015, 04:41:34 PM »
Octavarium comes into this on the back of two straight 100% perfect seasons. Its only defeat came in the 2013 "Semi-Finals". A formidable record.

It's also the only song with a perfect regular season record (60-0) for the entire run of DT the League. Some more songs for comparison:

A Change of Seasons - 58-2
Breaking All Illusions - 57-3
Metropolis - 56-3-1
Learning to Live - 55-5

I love seeing posts like this. Thanks for researching and sharing!

Yeah, that's pretty cool.  All of those songs are much deserving of those stats.  Would be nice to see BAI move into that top spot.  Thanks for doing this again DoC.  You do a hell of job.

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2015, 11:13:27 AM »
Confirming that the 2016 season will begin on Monday, December 14th.  The Outsiders Survivor will conclude on Sunday, December 13th.

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2015, 12:05:55 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2015, 07:04:41 AM »
Outsiders Club Survivor

 Never Enough is enough to win the Outsiders Club Survivor!


1. Never Enough (Promoted to Division 3)
2.  A Rite of Passage  (Promoted to Division 3)
3.  Enigma Machine (Promoted to Division 3)
4. Prophets of War (Promoted to Division 3)

5. Cover My Eyes
6. Speak to Me
7. Burning My Soul
8. Just Let Me Breathe
9. The Way It Used to Be
10. Build Me Up, Break Me Down
11. Take Away My Pain
12. Through My Words
13. Don’t Look Past Me
14. The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun
15. Regression
16. Another Won
17. You Not Me
18. Status Seeker
19. You Or Me
20. Light Fuse and Get Away
21. Raw Dog


The 2016 Season starts TODAY!

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« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2015, 07:22:36 AM »
:clap: Good result there.

*dramatic sports narrator voice* Breaking All Illusions finished runner-up last season. Will it be successful this time round, or will Octavarium claim a hat-trick of League titles? Or could A Change of Seasons haul its way back into the top spot? How will the newly-promoted or demoted songs fare in their respective divisions?

:caffeine: Bring it on!
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« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2015, 07:31:02 AM »
Yea baby, color me hyped! I still like BAI better than 8vm, but ACOS remains my no. 1
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« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2015, 10:40:17 AM »
Considering there are a lot of songs better than those three I would rather prefer another (thus unpredictable) winner for this new League.. But yeah I don't see that happening.. :lol

Looking forward to it though!.. Hope at least BAI gets it this time!
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« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2015, 07:15:13 AM »
Division 3, Week 1 Results:
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45246.0

1.       The Best of Times defeats Never Enough 19-16
2.       Beneath the Surface defeats A Rite of Passage 24-12
3.       Behind the Veil defeats Enigma Machine 26-9
4.       The Answer Lies Within defeats Prophets of War 20-15
5.       The Looking Glass defeats Afterlife 21-14
6.       New Millennium defeats The Killing Hand 19-16
7.       I Walk Beside You defeats Only a Matter of Time 21-15
8.       A Fortune in Lies defeats Repentance 20-16
9.       The Silent Man defeats Forsaken 18-17
10.   Far From Heaven defeats Through Her Eyes 19-16
11.   To Live Forever defeats False Awakening Suite 23-12
12.   Vacant defeats Eve 21-14
13.   The Dark Eternal Night defeats Wither 21-15
14.   Constant Motion defeats Ytse Jam 20-15
15.   Along for the Ride defeats Anna Lee 21-14
16.   Honor Thy Father defeats Raise the Knife 21-15


Division 3 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 3 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 2. Red songs are on pace to be demoted out of the league).

Division 3 Standings
Rank. Song Title,Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)

1. Behind the Veil, 1-0 (+17)
2. Beneath the Surface, 1-0 (+12)
3. To Live Forever, 1-0 (+11)
4. Along for the Ride, 1-0 (+7)

4. The Looking Glass, 1-0 (+7)
4. Vacant, 1-0 (+7)
7. The Dark Eternal Night, 1-0 (+6)
7. Honor Thy Father, 1-0 (+6)
7. I Walk Beside You, 1-0, (+6)
10. The Answer Lies Within, 1-0 (+5)
10. Constant Motion, 1-0 (+5)
12. A Fortune in Lies, 1-0 (+4)
13. The Best of Times, 1-0 (+3)
13. Far From Heaven, 1-0 (+3)
13. New Millennium, 1-0 (+3)
16. The Silent Man, 1-0 (+1)
17. Forsaken, 0-1 (-1)
18. The Killing Hand, 0-1 (-3)
18. Never Enough, 0-1 (-3)
18. Through Her Eyes, 0-1 (-3)
21. Repentance, 0-1 (-4)
22. Prophets of War, 0-1 (-5)
22. Ytse Jam, 0-1 (-5)
24. Only a Matter of Time, 0-1 (-6)
24. Raise the Knife, 0-1 (-6)
24. Wither, 0-1 (-6)
27. Afterlife, 0-1 (-7)
27. Anna Lee, 0-1 (-7)
27. Eve, 0-1 (-7)
30. False Awakening Suite, 0-1 (-11)
31. A Rite of Passage, 0-1 (-12)
32. Enigma Machine, 0-1 (-17)

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« Reply #31 on: December 17, 2015, 07:18:32 AM »
I expected EM to lose, but -17 is pretty embarassing  :lol
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« Reply #32 on: December 17, 2015, 11:03:47 AM »
A Fortune in Lies defeats Repentance? I know Repentance isn't loved, but to lose to A Fortune in Lies? Wat?
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Division 2, Week 1 Results
Voting Thread: https://www.dreamtheaterforums.org/boards/index.php?topic=45256.0

1.       Overture 1928 defeats A Nightmare to Remember 28-21
2.       This Dying Soul defeats Caught in a Web 25-24
3.       The Root of All Evil defeats Innocence Faded 31-18
4.       Sacrificed Sons defeats Hollow Years 36-12
5.       Hell’s Kitchen defeats The Shattered Fortress 27-22
6.       6:00 defeats One Last Time 29-20
7.       Strange Déjà vu defeats The Great Debate 27-22
8.       Pull Me Under defeats Lie 31-17
9.       Erotomania defeats Surrender to Reason 27-21
10.   Panic Attack defeats The Ministry of Lost Souls 27-22
11.   Peruvian Skies defeats Lost Not Forgotten 28-20
12.   These Walls defeats The Enemy Inside 26-22
13.   The Dance of Eternity defeats Wait For Sleep 29-19
14.   The Bigger Picture defeats This is the Life 31-17
15.   Another Day defeats As I Am 30-18
16.   Outcry defeats On the Backs of Angels 27-21



Division 2 Rankings after Week 1 (Top 16 at season's end make the Division 2 Tournament. Green songs are on pace to be promoted to Division 1. Red songs are on pace to be demoted to Division 3).


Division 2 Standings
Rank. Song Title,Wins – Losses (Vote Differential)

1. Sacrificed Sons, 1-0 (+24)
2. The Bigger Picture, 1-0 (+14)
2. Pull Me Under, 1-0 (+14)
4. The Root of All Evil, 1-0 (+13)

5. Another Day, 1-0 (+12)
6. The Dance of Eternity, 1-0 (+10)
7. 6:00, 1-0 (+9)
8. Peruvian Skies, 1-0 (+8)
9. Overture 1928, 1-0 (+7)
10. Erotomania, 1-0 (+6)
10. Outcry, 1-0 (+6)
12. Hell’s Kitchen, 1-0 (+5)
12. Panic Attack, 1-0 (+5)
12. Strange Déjà vu, 1-0 (+5)
15. These Walls, 1-0 (+4)
16. This Dying Soul, 1-0 (+1)
17. Caught in a Web, 0-1 (-1)
18. The Enemy Inside, 0-1 (-4)
19. The Great Debate, 0-1 (-5)
19. The Ministry of Lost Souls, 0-1 (-5)
19. The Shattered Fortress, 0-1 (-5)
22. On the Backs of Angels, 0-1 (-6)
22. Surrender to Reason, 0-1 (-6)
24. A Nightmare to Remember, 0-1 (-7)
25. Lost Not Forgotten, 0-1 (-8)
26. One Last Time, 0-1 (-9)
27. Wait for Sleep, 0-1 (-10)
28. As I Am, 0-1 (-12)
29. Innocence Faded, 0-1 (-13)
30. Lie, 0-1 (-14)
30. This is the Life, 0-1 (-14)
32. Hollow Years, 0-1 (-24)


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Re: DT the League 2016
« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2015, 11:36:08 AM »
After this year's tournaments wrap up, we will do something for the music from The Astonishing. This will give us time to let the music sink in, and whatever it ends up being, whether it's a mini-season, a tournament, a survivor, or a combination of sorts, it will serve to integrate the new songs/tracks into the league for 2017.