The Official Exercise/Fitness Thread v. Run Forest, Run!

[wolfking]

I fucking HATE chicken thighs.  I know they would be preferred because of the fat, but I just can't stand that meat.  Has to be breast all day for me.

I've never had to count a calorie. I literally can't eat enough high fat foods to make a caloric difference. It's too rich. Portions about the size of my fist are satisfying to the point that any more would make me sick.

Personally, I could challenge this very very easily.  Everyone is different though.  I have rough numbers going through e head everyday.  I'm actually hitting 2500 or so calories very very easily.  Some intermittent fasting has to come into play for me.

[cramx3]

I used to be a breast only guy, but last year I discovered the boneless thigh filets and it's been a life changer.  The fattier thighs make it more tasty but since it's fattier it's less healthy, but it's a smaller cut of meat so it kind of evens out.  At the end of the day, I've found grilling them with even little seasoning is still very appetizing.  My father also won't eat dark meat chicken.  It's not for everyone, but I don't know why it took me so long to really enjoy the thighs.

I did cheat today for lunch, I haven't gone out for lunch in so long that I didn't even know they built a popeyes down the street from work.  So I cheated and got just the new sandwich to taste it out.  It's all I've eaten today so it's not too bad of a cheat, but damn that was one good sandwich.  I see what the hype is about, although i certainly wouldn't wait in a crazy line for it. 

[wolfking]

I used to be a breast only guy, but last year I discovered the boneless thigh filets and it's been a life changer.  The fattier thighs make it more tasty but since it's fattier it's less healthy, but it's a smaller cut of meat so it kind of evens out.  At the end of the day, I've found grilling them with even little seasoning is still very appetizing.  My father also won't eat dark meat chicken.  It's not for everyone, but I don't know why it took me so long to really enjoy the thighs.

I did cheat today for lunch, I haven't gone out for lunch in so long that I didn't even know they built a popeyes down the street from work.  So I cheated and got just the new sandwich to taste it out.  It's all I've eaten today so it's not too bad of a cheat, but damn that was one good sandwich.  I see what the hype is about, although i certainly wouldn't wait in a crazy line for it.

If your caloric intake is still in check, it doesn't really matter what it is and it's not really a cheat.

[cramx3]

Understood, but it's fast food with little of anything that's beneficial to me besides protein in the chicken.  If I eat a normal lite dinner I'll still be fine overall, but it's a cheat in my mind just because it's overall very unhealthy.  I kept away from fries or anything else besides the sandwich though to keep me in check for my daily calorie goals.  I've stopped counting awhile ago, so I haven't been so strict on my 1k calories a day during the week diet.  But at 700 calories they say (I'm surprised its not more) keeping a normal dinner of under 1k calories still has me under the 2k recommended amount.  I'd probably burn a bit of myself still after I do a bike ride tonight. I just think those 700 calories would be better for my body if it was in the form of oatmeal and bananas, but you are right, it's not really a cheat if I'm still in line overall.

[SchecterShredder]

If your caloric intake is still in check, it doesn't really matter what it is and it's not really a cheat.

You basically just summed up my entire nutrition philosophy in one sentence lol

[wolfking]

Understood, but it's fast food with little of anything that's beneficial to me besides protein in the chicken.  If I eat a normal lite dinner I'll still be fine overall, but it's a cheat in my mind just because it's overall very unhealthy.  I kept away from fries or anything else besides the sandwich though to keep me in check for my daily calorie goals.  I've stopped counting awhile ago, so I haven't been so strict on my 1k calories a day during the week diet.  But at 700 calories they say (I'm surprised its not more) keeping a normal dinner of under 1k calories still has me under the 2k recommended amount.  I'd probably burn a bit of myself still after I do a bike ride tonight. I just think those 700 calories would be better for my body if it was in the form of oatmeal and bananas, but you are right, it's not really a cheat if I'm still in line overall.

It won't make a skerrick of a difference mate.  Your body wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

[cramx3]

From a weightloss perspective, yes, but from a nutritional perspective I find that hard to believe.  That popeyes is fried chicken, terrible for you.  Oatmeal has nothing bad in it for you.  My cholesterol might have something to say about this.

[wolfking]

From a weightloss perspective, yes, but from a nutritional perspective I find that hard to believe.  That popeyes is fried chicken, terrible for you.  Oatmeal has nothing bad in it for you.  My cholesterol might have something to say about this.

From one single 700 calorie meal?  No way mate. 

[The Walrus]

Think about putting fuel in your car. You put in clean high quality fuel and it runs well. You put in shitty low quality or dirty fuel and it's not as good for your engine. Sure that one time compared to a lifetime's worth of it isn't much but it still matters what you put into your system. The quality and chemical makeup of what you're putting into your food absolutely matters even if it does fit within your daily caloric limit. You might not be able to tell externally what that one meal does to your body, and maybe your body itself doesn't even know - doesn't mean it isn't having some kind of effect, however.

I'll have to go dig up the stuff I was reading recently about this. I thought it was actually inconclusive as to whether or not it *does* matter that much in the end, but logically speaking, I'm with Marc on this because it stands to reason that if you put shit food into your body, it will be processed as the shit food it is; although your body can't tell it's not a head of lettuce, it'll tell you something's up when your stomach starts gurgling as you digest those preservatives in that Big Mac.

[wolfking]

If the calories are the same then simply the macro nutrient breakdown would differ.  Obviously any fillers or preservatives that are in the fast food is obvious, but unless you are a supreme athlete and it's your profession, worrying about a single meal that is a one of and the effect it may have on your body and your health is so far over the top that it can border on an eating disorder if you are not careful and you keep thinking that way.  I've been there, I know.  Unless you are adding protein powder to the oats, you would be consuming more protein in the burger, and more carbs in the oats and banana.  Unless you have an adverse reaction straight away or there is something in the fast food that makes you ill, then if it's not a habit and you are not planning on it again, it's silly to worry about it or even think that way for a one of.

I've been there in the past where I've been hung up on eating something I shouldn't have outside of a cheat.  Even if I've made the calories equate out in the end, I would get so upset with myself and end up going overboard and even cutting more calories to try and negate any damage that was never there.  I agree fast food is bad and can't be avoided sometimes, but worrying about what you should have eaten instead later and beating yourself up will do you more harm in the long run.

[cramx3]

From a weightloss perspective, yes, but from a nutritional perspective I find that hard to believe.  That popeyes is fried chicken, terrible for you.  Oatmeal has nothing bad in it for you.  My cholesterol might have something to say about this.

From one single 700 calorie meal?  No way mate.

Sure, one single meal doesn't make or break anything, but being that I've eaten more than enough fast food that should be consumed in one life, even a small recognition of "I ate a shit meal" does matter to me IMO. 

And also, I'm not beating myself over it, just being honest with myself.  I had a shit meal and tried to limit it without the fries or a soda or anything else.  It's really not a big deal, but kind of glad I could just hold myself back a bit.  I honestly was thinking "how about two sandwiches instead of fries?"   

[Podaar]

I fucking HATE chicken thighs.  I know they would be preferred because of the fat, but I just can't stand that meat.  Has to be breast all day for me.

Well, the Tuscan chicken thighs I made were terrific, but I promise, if you join us next time I'll use chicken breasts!

[jingle.boy]

On the topic of what *kind* of calories, I'm with both mind-sets here.  For ONE meal, it doesn't really make any difference.  Key part ... one meal.  So long as that "one meal" isn't every day, or even a few times a week.  On the other hand, eat 1500 calories of chocolate, and 1500 calories of broccoli, and let me know if your body notices the difference.  Obviously, I'm being facetious and extreme, but at some point, the kinds of calories absolutely do matter.

I read recently that most normal people eat anywhere between 21 and 35 meals a week.  So, if you eat clean for 19/21, or 32/35, you're still running at a 90% success rate.

So yeah, don't fret too much about a single reward meal, but don't let them get out of hand.  That goes for reward "snacks" too.  This is a bad time of year around the jingle.household, as there's lots of little candies and things that showed up around the holidays.  I still have some maple fudge, and Ghiradelli chocolates sitting around.  So tempting.

[wolfking]

I fucking HATE chicken thighs.  I know they would be preferred because of the fat, but I just can't stand that meat.  Has to be breast all day for me.

Well, the Tuscan chicken thighs I made were terrific, but I promise, if you join us next time I'll use chicken breasts!

If I join you mate, I'll happily try your thighs.     the chicken should be alright too. 

[wolfking]

On the topic of what *kind* of calories, I'm with both mind-sets here.  For ONE meal, it doesn't really make any difference.  Key part ... one meal.  So long as that "one meal" isn't every day, or even a few times a week.  On the other hand, eat 1500 calories of chocolate, and 1500 calories of broccoli, and let me know if your body notices the difference.  Obviously, I'm being facetious and extreme, but at some point, the kinds of calories absolutely do matter.

I read recently that most normal people eat anywhere between 21 and 35 meals a week.  So, if you eat clean for 19/21, or 32/35, you're still running at a 90% success rate.

So yeah, don't fret too much about a single reward meal, but don't let them get out of hand.  That goes for reward "snacks" too.  This is a bad time of year around the jingle.household, as there's lots of little candies and things that showed up around the holidays.  I still have some maple fudge, and Ghiradelli chocolates sitting around.  So tempting.

Thank you.

[cramx3]

I fucking HATE chicken thighs.  I know they would be preferred because of the fat, but I just can't stand that meat.  Has to be breast all day for me.

Well, the Tuscan chicken thighs I made were terrific, but I promise, if you join us next time I'll use chicken breasts!

If I join you mate, I'll happily try your thighs.     the chicken should be alright too. 

  

[Podaar]

If I join you mate, I'll happily try your thighs.

I'll shower up.


Feeling well worn as I drink my protein/recovery drink. I had a great round with the yoga and weights this morning...really going after my balance, legs, glutes, and core for that effortless extra power in my golf swing. Ended the lifting with some extra sets in my shoulders, back and chest. Finished everything of with some great stretches.

I'm ready to potato the rest of my day guilt free.

[cramx3]

Rock on 

On my bike now, got to get a good work out in since I think I'll be eating good tonight with my date who's coming over to cook some sausage with me from my Sopranos cook book.

[Podaar]

Rock on 

On my bike now, got to get a good work out in since I think I'll be eating good tonight with my date who's coming over to cook some sausage with me from my Sopranos cook book.

I'll bet she is...

[jingle.boy]

who's coming over to cook some sausage with me

That's fantastic!... but what's for dinner?

Just about to have my pre-workout (PB&Banana protein shake), then hit a p90x (chest/shoulders/tri) routine.  Man I love that one.

[cramx3]

 

I guess I can add that I'll likely have a different type of work out later to go with the sausage 

[wolfking]

What have I walked into? 

[jingle.boy]

What have I walked into? 

It's not the Hobby/Project thread.  Or, maybe it is.  lol

[wolfking]

My third week of this very low carb/keto thing was a mix of week one and two.  Some points I felt great but other points felt shit.  I really like the eating through the week so will keep at it.  Changes in my stomach fat area are happening so so far so good.  Had a bit of a carb refeed last night though.  I find with the amount of activity I can't go through a whole week without changing it up and refeeding with some carbs.  Mentally too.  The 5 days per week of extremely low carbs is sitting well with me though.

[Northern Lion]

Well, so far breasts, thighs and sausage have been discussed.  Proof positive that the only thing men think about is... food

[jingle.boy]

mrs.jingle's b-day is coming up, and I'm seriously considering getting her a couple of Keto books.  I really am interested to try it (short-term), and based on Gregg's commentary, it might be the thing for her for a longer-period.  She's been going thru 'the change' for a while, and her body is really changing on her.  No immediate health issues, but weight gain, and general moodiness have contributed to some ongoing depression.  Plus, she has no drive to exercise due to various other ailments and said emotional swings.  Perhaps a general overhaul of her diet is in order.

[Podaar]

I would recommend, Simply Keto by Suzanne Ryan. It gives all the ins and outs in detail, but more than that, it has her inspirational story, as well as advise for meal planning, macro tracking (which I don't do at all), motivation, and best of all simple and delicious recipes.

[TAC]

mrs.jingle's b-day is coming up, and I'm seriously considering getting her a couple of Keto books.  I really am interested to try it (short-term), and based on Gregg's commentary, it might be the thing for her for a longer-period.  She's been going thru 'the change' for a while, and her body is really changing on her.  No immediate health issues, but weight gain, and general moodiness have contributed to some ongoing depression.  Plus, she has no drive to exercise due to various other ailments and said emotional swings.  Perhaps a general overhaul of her diet is in order.

Hmmm...this could go one of two ways...

[jingle.boy]

mrs.jingle's b-day is coming up, and I'm seriously considering getting her a couple of Keto books.  I really am interested to try it (short-term), and based on Gregg's commentary, it might be the thing for her for a longer-period.  She's been going thru 'the change' for a while, and her body is really changing on her.  No immediate health issues, but weight gain, and general moodiness have contributed to some ongoing depression.  Plus, she has no drive to exercise due to various other ailments and said emotional swings.  Perhaps a general overhaul of her diet is in order.

Hmmm...this could go one of two ways...

Agreed ... but it's not like I'm buying her a vacuum cleaner or a 6-pack of Pledge  . she's bounced the idea of Keto around a couple times, so I don't think it's *too* risky.

[TAC]

[TAC]

I'm kidding. I've bought my wife all kinds or equipment. She loves to exercise. 

[H2]

My third week of this very low carb/keto thing was a mix of week one and two.  Some points I felt great but other points felt shit.  I really like the eating through the week so will keep at it.  Changes in my stomach fat area are happening so so far so good.  Had a bit of a carb refeed last night though.  I find with the amount of activity I can't go through a whole week without changing it up and refeeding with some carbs.  Mentally too.  The 5 days per week of extremely low carbs is sitting well with me though.

Nice man - that's cool to hear that you're keeping at it and seeing results. Cutting sucks so much bro. It's hard in the wrong sort of way. Like, lifting heavy things and pushing yourself athletically is hard, but it leaves you with a satisfying feeling of exhaustion. But cutting especially with lo-carb just makes you feel bad. In my experience, anyway.

I've managed to keep the weight off since stopping keto, but am getting the strength back up. Feeling closer and closer to my best self which existed 4 years ago, where I was lifting and doing cardio in a great balance and felt pretty happy.

[wolfking]

mrs.jingle's b-day is coming up, and I'm seriously considering getting her a couple of Keto books.  I really am interested to try it (short-term), and based on Gregg's commentary, it might be the thing for her for a longer-period.  She's been going thru 'the change' for a while, and her body is really changing on her.  No immediate health issues, but weight gain, and general moodiness have contributed to some ongoing depression.  Plus, she has no drive to exercise due to various other ailments and said emotional swings.  Perhaps a general overhaul of her diet is in order.

Fuck dude, is this a secret kamikaze mission you've been given.  Good lord, you're a smart man, you really think this is a good idea? 

[wolfking]

mrs.jingle's b-day is coming up, and I'm seriously considering getting her a couple of Keto books.  I really am interested to try it (short-term), and based on Gregg's commentary, it might be the thing for her for a longer-period.  She's been going thru 'the change' for a while, and her body is really changing on her.  No immediate health issues, but weight gain, and general moodiness have contributed to some ongoing depression.  Plus, she has no drive to exercise due to various other ailments and said emotional swings.  Perhaps a general overhaul of her diet is in order.

Hmmm...this could go one of two ways...

Agreed ... but it's not like I'm buying her a vacuum cleaner or a 6-pack of Pledge  . she's bounced the idea of Keto around a couple times, so I don't think it's *too* risky.

Maybe make sure you buy lots of jewelry also then. 

[wolfking]

My third week of this very low carb/keto thing was a mix of week one and two.  Some points I felt great but other points felt shit.  I really like the eating through the week so will keep at it.  Changes in my stomach fat area are happening so so far so good.  Had a bit of a carb refeed last night though.  I find with the amount of activity I can't go through a whole week without changing it up and refeeding with some carbs.  Mentally too.  The 5 days per week of extremely low carbs is sitting well with me though.

Nice man - that's cool to hear that you're keeping at it and seeing results. Cutting sucks so much bro. It's hard in the wrong sort of way. Like, lifting heavy things and pushing yourself athletically is hard, but it leaves you with a satisfying feeling of exhaustion. But cutting especially with lo-carb just makes you feel bad. In my experience, anyway.

I've managed to keep the weight off since stopping keto, but am getting the strength back up. Feeling closer and closer to my best self which existed 4 years ago, where I was lifting and doing cardio in a great balance and felt pretty happy.

It's a real balancing act mate.  I'm just trying to be sensible and intuitive.  So far so good.