Author Topic: DT the League 2015 - DIVISION 1 CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT - Semifinals (Read 1810 times)

Destiny Of Chaos · « **on:** July 15, 2015, 01:56:57 PM »

Division 1 Championship Tournament

Seeding:
1. Octavarium
2. Breaking All Illusions
3. A Change of Seasons
4. Metropolis
5. Learning to Live
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence
7. Voices
8. Take the Time
9. Scarred
10. Home
11. Lines in the Sand
12. Trial of Tears
13. In the Name of God
14. Finally Free
15. The Glass Prison
16. The Spirit Carries On

Opening Round
1. Octavarium defeats 16. The Spirit Carries On 25-5
9. Scarred defeats 8. Take the Time 18-13
5. Learning to Live defeats 12. Trial of Tears 22-9
4. Metropolis defeats 13. In the Name of God 24-7
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 14. Finally Free 23-7
6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence defeats 11. Lines in the Sand 18-12
7. Voices defeats 10. Home 16-15
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 15. The Glass Prison 23-8

Quarterfinals
1. Octavarium defeats 9. Scarred 25-10
5. Learning to Live defeats 4. Metropolis 19-16
3. A Change of Seasons defeats 6. Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence 20-15
2. Breaking All Illusions defeats 7. Voices 27-8

Semifinals

Please vote for the song that you'd like to see win each match.

1. Octavarium vs. 5. Learning to Live
2. Breaking All Illusions vs. 3. A Change of Seasons

48 hours.

jakepriest · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:19:43 PM »

Top seeds

cramx3 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:20:42 PM »

Bottom seeds

TheCountOfNYC · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:20:48 PM »

Octavarium
A Change of Seasons

This is what the championship match should always be.

Crow · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:21:42 PM »

top seeds, actually

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:37:35 PM »

LTL
BAI

Outcrier · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:48:44 PM »

Octavarium
A Change of Seasons

RoeDent · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2015, 02:59:28 PM »

Come on Breaking All Illusions! Let's go one (or even two) better this season! The fact it beat ACOS in Week 14 of the regular season gives me optimism that it could happen again.

Also voted for Octavarium.

425 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2015, 03:02:23 PM »

Top seeds. Go Breaking All Illusions!

bl5150 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2015, 04:06:30 PM »

LTL
BAI

CharlesPL · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2015, 05:04:01 PM »

Learning to Live
A Change of Seasons

jingle.boy · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2015, 05:41:23 PM »

Quote from: bl5150 on July 15, 2015, 04:06:30 PM

LTL
BAI

This. And by "this", I mean "the exact opposite".

ToT-147 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2015, 09:18:25 PM »

Brea-king-all- -this- -Oc-ta-va- -ri- -uuuuum

Quote from: RoeDent on July 15, 2015, 02:59:28 PM

Come on Breaking All Illusions!

Scorpion · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2015, 11:50:10 PM »

Both songs in Matchup Two and none of the songs in Matchup One deserve a place in the finals.

That said, I went with Learning to Live and A Change of Seasons.

Zydar · « **Reply #14 on:** July 16, 2015, 12:21:47 AM »

Quote from: Dublagent66 on July 15, 2015, 02:37:35 PM

LTL
BAI

Evermind · « **Reply #15 on:** July 16, 2015, 02:01:53 AM »

Quote from: 425 on July 15, 2015, 03:02:23 PM

Top seeds. Go Breaking All Illusions!

jjrock88 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2015, 03:21:11 AM »

Quote from: CharlesPL on July 15, 2015, 05:04:01 PM

Learning to Live
A Change of Seasons

BlackInk · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2015, 03:40:32 AM »

Octavarium and A Change of Seasons.

BAI is great, but better than ACoS? Come on..

erwinrafael · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2015, 03:58:52 AM »

There are many DT songs better than ACOS. It is a good first effort for an epic-length song, but you can hear that they are not yet that experienced in terms of creating a tight composition.

krands85 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2015, 05:15:50 AM »

Quote from: Zydar on July 16, 2015, 12:21:47 AM

Quote from: Dublagent66 on July 15, 2015, 02:37:35 PM
LTL
BAI

BlackInk · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2015, 09:30:04 AM »

Quote from: erwinrafael on July 16, 2015, 03:58:52 AM

There are many DT songs better than ACOS. It is a good first effort for an epic-length song, but you can hear that they are not yet that experienced in terms of creating a tight composition.

Not for me. ACoS is still the best they've ever been, both lyrically and musically.

Outcrier · « **Reply #21 on:** July 16, 2015, 09:41:06 AM »

Quote from: erwinrafael on July 16, 2015, 03:58:52 AM

There are many DT songs better than ACOS. It is a good first effort for an epic-length song, but you can hear that they are not yet that experienced in terms of creating a tight composition.

Nonsense

CharlesPL · « **Reply #22 on:** July 16, 2015, 10:09:32 AM »

Quote from: BlackInk on July 16, 2015, 09:30:04 AM

Not for me. ACoS is still the best they've ever been, both lyrically and musically.

+1 here, BaI it's not even in my top 40, sounds like 2nd version LtL, There is only one original

Outcrier · « **Reply #23 on:** July 16, 2015, 10:14:15 AM »

Quote from: CharlesPL on July 16, 2015, 10:09:32 AM

+1 here, BaI it's not even in my top 40, sounds like 2nd version LtL, There is only one original

Dublagent66 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 16, 2015, 11:18:11 AM »

Quote from: CharlesPL on July 16, 2015, 10:09:32 AM

Quote from: BlackInk on July 16, 2015, 09:30:04 AM
Not for me. ACoS is still the best they've ever been, both lyrically and musically.

+1 here, BaI it's not even in my top 40, sounds like 2nd version LtL, There is only one original

LOL 2nd version LTL. I don't think so.

jingle.boy · « **Reply #25 on:** July 16, 2015, 11:56:42 AM »

Opinions: You're all right, and wrong.

BAI might make Top 10 for me. It's one of the best songs they've done in the last 10 years, but hardly Top 4 of all-time. Methinks a lot of newbs who haven't been decade + fans could be voting this way. I suppose if I'd known BAI for as long as I've known ACOS I might think differently.

For as long as I can remember here in the forum, ACOS and 8vm have almost always fought it out for #1 no matter what voting system is used - League or Survivor. For a song barely 4 years old to come along and now challenge that seems a bit of a stretch.

Don't get me wrong... I love the tune, it's a brilliant tune, but it doesn't compare to ACOS or 8vm.

And it is definitely LTL's little sibling.

RoeDent · « **Reply #26 on:** July 16, 2015, 01:04:23 PM »

Quote from: jingle.boy on July 16, 2015, 11:56:42 AM

For as long as I can remember here in the forum, ACOS and 8vm have almost always fought it out for #1 no matter what voting system is used - League or Survivor. For a song barely 4 years old to come along and now challenge that seems a bit of a stretch.

And yet, here it is, challenging that. The fact that BAI has consistently got this far in the Leagues is a very good indicator of its popularity and deserved place among these established DT classics. The 2010s addition to that club, if you will.

jingle.boy · « **Reply #27 on:** July 16, 2015, 01:24:45 PM »

I suppose. I still don't think it's in the same league as LtL, Metropolis, ITNOG, Home, Voices, LitS... and even a handful of 6 minute-ish songs.

That's just me though.

425 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 16, 2015, 01:29:22 PM »

I'll willingly cop to being a recent fan. I think that is likely to give me a different perspective on new songs vs. old songs than a longtime fan. I won't say that either perspective is better, but I think it does mean that I'm more likely to view the new songs in a similar light to the old songs, just because I've been familiar with them for a similar period of time, while the longtime fans have been familiar with ACOS for maybe 20 years or more compared to 4 years for BAI.

That being said, I completely agree with erwinrafael about ACOS. It's a good first go at an epic, but it's flawed compositionally and structurally it is just not as good as the later epics. It's a really good song, no doubt. But this band has a lot of really good songs. For me, ACOS ranks in the 20s to 30s on a list of Dream Theater's best songs.

Breaking All Illusions, meanwhile, ranks #1. It's compositionally, structurally and lyrically excellent. I agree that it is a second look at Learning to Live, but it's not a rip-off. It feels more like a similar idea revisited with almost 20 more years of songwriting experience and maturity, and while Learning to Live burns with youthful excitement, Breaking All Illusions is a mature, confident composition.

To me, saying that a song that is 4 years old shouldn't be able to come along and challenge one of the band's classics is similar to saying that a prog band that's only been around since the late 80s shouldn't be able to come along and challenge bands like Yes and King Crimson. I understand why longtime fans wouldn't like a new song better than one of the classics, but I definitely think that a new song can be the best song. I'm hoping that my favorite Dream Theater song completes this coup. I'm hoping it holds on this round, and if it does, I'll be voting for it in the final and hoping for it to do the impossible.

BlackInk · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2015, 02:03:29 PM »

Like I said, I think BAI is great, and it would probably be in my top 5. ACoS is my #1, though I've only been a DT fan since 2008. And there are songs by other bands that are just as new or newer to me than BAI that I think could challange ACoS. So for me, ACoS isn't the best because I've known it for 20 years, it's just because it's the best.

And BAI may be more solid in terms of composing, but the parts it's composed of aren't as good as those ACoS are built of. Also, in terms of lyrics, ACoS blows BAI out of the water. BAI's lyrics are alright, the first verse is really cool and all, but it's otherwise not very special. ACoS though is so packed with raw and personal emotion and is still one of their best lyrically.

Outcrier · « **Reply #30 on:** July 16, 2015, 02:21:24 PM »

To me, BAI feels like an alright late album from a band compared to an old classic, which is Learning to Live. Not bad but far away from being better.

425 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 16, 2015, 02:22:15 PM »

Quote from: BlackInk on July 16, 2015, 02:03:29 PM

Like I said, I think BAI is great, and it would probably be in my top 5. ACoS is my #1, though I've only been a DT fan since 2008. And there are songs by other bands that are just as new or newer to me than BAI that I think could challange ACoS. So for me, ACoS isn't the best because I've known it for 20 years, it's just because it's the best.

And BAI may be more solid in terms of composing, but the parts it's composed of aren't as good as those ACoS are built of. Also, in terms of lyrics, ACoS blows BAI out of the water. BAI's lyrics are alright, the first verse is really cool and all, but it's otherwise not very special. ACoS though is so packed with raw and personal emotion and is still one of their best lyrically.

Yeah, I didn't want to exclude people who are new fans and like the old stuff better or vice versa. I tried to take pains in my post to not set it up as "new fans who are right and like BAI better" versus "old fans who are wrong and like ACOS better." I don't want to imply that all new fans like BAI better than ACOS and all old fans don't, or anything like that. I'm just meaning to talk about how the length of time someone has been a fan may affect their view of old songs versus new songs without saying "this is the way things end up in all cases." I hope I was clear enough about what I meant.

Crow · « **Reply #32 on:** July 16, 2015, 02:32:48 PM »

i'unno if I fit into either "new" or "old" i've been listening to DT since like 2008 so
I think BAI is better but it could be because I'm kinda sick of ACOS for now, both are great, top 10 songs so w/e (my entire top 5's gone though so whatever

)

erwinrafael · « **Reply #33 on:** July 16, 2015, 07:31:37 PM »

I've been listening to DT since 1996 / 1997 and Breaking All Illusions is my favorite. Like 425 said, it just sounds like a band who has the wisdom of experience. It's like the perfection of an idea.

? · « **Reply #34 on:** July 17, 2015, 06:54:31 AM »

LTL and ACOS

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Author Topic: DT the League 2015 - DIVISION 1 CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENT - Semifinals (Read 1810 times)