Steven Wilson Survivor 2015 - PLEASE READ OP

[RoeDent]

I have decided that I don't want to run this survivor. If this disappoints anyone, I apologise. If anyone would like to take over the running of it, it's all yours.

Mods, please lock this thread.

[Evermind]

I'm in. 48 hours is my pick.

Also, I'm curious, why does GfD get the separate survivor for each disc?

[RoeDent]

I'm in. 48 hours is my pick.

Also, I'm curious, why does GfD get the separate survivor for each disc?

To make certain that each disc gets equal representation in the Finals.

[Evermind]

Alright, guess it's your call. I just don't tend to separate this album by discs, it's a whole huge musical adventure for me.

[RoeDent]

I've decided that each main round will last for 48 hours. If there is a tie in any round:

1. A 24-hour tiebreaker round will take place. If it's still tied:

2. Each song's total votes will be counted. Highest total is eliminated. If it's still level:

3. I will cast the deciding vote.

We have to be prepared for all these eventualities, to make sure the survivor runs as smoothly as possible.

[Nearmyth]

Sounds like fun, I'm in 

[Crow]

Is there any reason to have First Regret and Ascendant as their own songs in the HCE poll, that's just two poll threads wasted and both of them are reeeeally part of the songs after/before anyways. I can understand separating Home Invasion and Regret #9, at least, but.

[bout to crash]

Woo, I'm in!
I am also confused about why Grace for Drowning is getting two, when it doesn't have many more tracks than the others. It's all one album, and depending on which version you have it may not even be in that particular order or split up into two discs at all.

[RoeDent]

Why is it such a big deal? How hard is it to think "Which is my least favourite out of this bunch of songs?" for each disc? This is the way it is being done, end of. Besides, during promo for GfD, I distinctly remember SW saying that it's effectively two albums packaged together. The two-tournament method is to guarantee that at least one song from each disc gets through to the Finals. Bearing in mind, in case you missed it in the OP, that only the top-ranked song from each disc will go straight to the Finals, it's not got any more of an advantage in the Finals than the other albums.

Also, I'm going by the CD tracklisting for the HCE tournament.

[Mladen]

Everything looks great. I'm in.

[BRGM]

I think splitting GFD makes for a nice twist, I'm looking forward to this survivor! 

[Crow]

It's just, including those two tracks on HCE is 4 days of survivor time wasted on songs that aren't even songs on their own and are clearly going to go out in the first two rounds and i dunno that bothers me a lot

[RoeDent]

It's just, including those two tracks on HCE is 4 days of survivor time wasted on songs that aren't even songs on their own and are clearly going to go out in the first two rounds and i dunno that bothers me a lot

But in which order will they go out? There's the uncertainty. 4 days, compared with the 3 months or so it should take to run the whole thing, is hardly any time at all really. Those songs must be given the same chance as every other song in the survivor. If it really bothers you that much, then you don't have to vote in those rounds.

[bout to crash]

Why is it such a big deal? How hard is it to think "Which is my least favourite out of this bunch of songs?" for each disc? This is the way it is being done, end of. Besides, during promo for GfD, I distinctly remember SW saying that it's effectively two albums packaged together. The two-tournament method is to guarantee that at least one song from each disc gets through to the Finals. Bearing in mind, in case you missed it in the OP, that only the top-ranked song from each disc will go straight to the Finals, it's not got any more of an advantage in the Finals than the other albums.

Okay. Nobody said it was a big deal, I'm just not understanding why it's important that one song from each disc be in the finals.
I'd be curious to hear where he said that because I've never thought of it as two albums, and I've never heard it referred to that way by SW or anybody else. It all flows like one album to me. (On a side note, I sort of think the way it's arranged on the vinyl flows better than the CD. Raider II goes so well into Belle de Jour.)

[RoeDent]

Okay. Nobody said it was a big deal, I'm just not understanding why it's important that one song from each disc be in the finals.
I'd be curious to hear where he said that because I've never thought of it as two albums, and I've never heard it referred to that way by SW or anybody else. It all flows like one album to me. (On a side note, I sort of think the way it's arranged on the vinyl flows better than the CD. Raider II goes so well into Belle de Jour.)

First paragraph here.

That's my excuse and I'm sticking with it.

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Really dug myself into a hole here, haven't I? To be honest, I'm genuinely beginning to have second thoughts about doing this. Trying to respond to all this "You're doing it wrong" is proving mentally exhausting for me. You're probably right; I am doing it "wrong". "These tracks should be together." "These discs should be together." We had no such complaints first time around, so why now? It's just wiped any joy and excitement I had for running this thing. I don't have to put myself through this. Maybe someone with a better brain for this sort of thing can take over.

[?]

I have no problem if there are separate survivors for the two GFD discs. After all, those two discs have their own titles, and even SW said they might be easier to listen to separately.

[7deg_inner_happiness]

Sounds like fun, I'm in 

Woo, I'm in!

Everything looks great. I'm in.

I think splitting GFD makes for a nice twist, I'm looking forward to this survivor! 

I have no problem if there are separate survivors for the two GFD discs. After all, those two discs have their own titles, and even SW said they might be easier to listen to separately.

I agree with all of the above.  I'm in too!  Thanks RoeDent!

[Evermind]

Hey, I was just asking, no offense intended. But, well, when you organize something, be it something serious like some project at work, or something lighthearted like a survivor on DTF, you have to be prepared to the questions and the criticism. And well, in serious stuff it's also important to be able to walk this thin line between taking everyone's opinion into consideration and still doing the thing the way you want; but in fun things like DTF survivor, it's totally your call.

I mean, I was genuinely curious about two survivors for GfD (I didn't know about that SW "two albums" quote. The more you know), but in the end, it doesn't really matter if GfD will have two survivors or one, or if we'll spend four more days eliminating Ascendant Here On and First Regret, I bet everyone who responded to this thread and more people will play, vote and have fun in this survivor anyway. So, well, no reason to be upset if you ask me.

I think you're doing a good job on this, and I once again apologize if I offended you somehow.

[Elite]

What DTF's most eloquent Russian guy says.

[bout to crash]

Yeah, I'm sorry if I offended you but I don't see anybody getting out of line here or even criticizing. A few people asked questions about the structure, and most people (including those same people) have said they're excited... so what's the problem? You've always done a great job with these and nobody is debating that, just sharing opinions- isn't that what a survivor is all about?

[Sacul]

Damn. Who is willing to run this? I'd love to, but have a very important exam in two weeks so I might no log in every day

[FlyingBIZKIT]

Wow. All because of discs.