Last movie you saw?

[hefdaddy42]

 

[Stadler]

I'll have to think about it a bit, since I'm terrible at that kind of thing, but I don't think this is all that rare, to be honest.

The Great Gatsby is structured like this, I believe.   As is Wuthering Heights.

I think the idea is that it IS in the first person, since that narrator isn't always reliable, and that unreliability is theirs and theirs alone.   

[Podaar]

Orbert,

I don't know if you're a fantasy book reader, but the Fifth Season books by N.K. Jemisin are largely 2nd person. They're very good books, but it can be pretty startling to read the author telling you what you are experiencing. "You wake up. Your head throbbing and vision out of focus. You vaguely recall your father was angry...when was that? Last night." Etc.

I don't know if a movie could pull that off, really. Honestly, I can't recall any example I've ever seen.

[Podaar]

I'll have to think about it a bit, since I'm terrible at that kind of thing, but I don't think this is all that rare, to be honest.

The Great Gatsby is structured like this, I believe.   As is Wuthering Heights.

I think the idea is that it IS in the first person, since that narrator isn't always reliable, and that unreliability is theirs and theirs alone.

I'm pretty sure that the Great Gatsby is first-person...um exclusive? You only get Nick's point of view, and like you say he's unreliable. Wuthering Heights, I have no idea. I don't recall ever reading it.

[Cool Chris]

Why is Nick unreliable? Other that a particular affinity of Gatsby and disdain for Tom, he seems to want to tell things as they happened.

Are we presuming all non-central character 1st person narrators are unreliable?

[Orbert]

I don't know if you're a fantasy book reader, but the Fifth Season books by N.K. Jemisin are largely 2nd person. They're very good books, but it can be pretty startling to read the author telling you what you are experiencing. "You wake up. Your head throbbing and vision out of focus. You vaguely recall your father was angry...when was that? Last night." Etc.

I don't know if a movie could pull that off, really. Honestly, I can't recall any example I've ever seen.

Interesting.  Fantasy and Sci-Fi are my two main genres, so I'll try to keep that in mind when I'm looking for something new to read.

I don't know if a movie could do it.  The entire thing would have to be shot POV, of course, but that's not all it takes to convince the viewer that it's happening to them.  They have to "feel" it.  They have to be thinking what you want them to think, be confused when they're supposed to be confused, figure things out when they're supposed to figure them out, etc, and that all takes some very careful directing.  I'm sure it's been attempted (outside of the world of porn, that is), but I can't think of any mainstream examples.

[chknptpie]

I loved The Fifth Season and its whole series.

[Stadler]

Why is Nick unreliable? Other that a particular affinity of Gatsby and disdain for Tom, he seems to want to tell things as they happened.

Are we presuming all non-central character 1st person narrators are unreliable?

ALL first person narrators are, in a sense, unreliable.   ( I really should say "most", because I imagine there are scenarios - computers, law enforcement, reporters - where the first person narrative can be reliable), but if I even think about it (which I usually don't, unless it comes up in the story, to be honest) I would normally assume that there's SOME ambiguity there even if minor.

[Stadler]

I don't know if you're a fantasy book reader, but the Fifth Season books by N.K. Jemisin are largely 2nd person. They're very good books, but it can be pretty startling to read the author telling you what you are experiencing. "You wake up. Your head throbbing and vision out of focus. You vaguely recall your father was angry...when was that? Last night." Etc.

I don't know if a movie could pull that off, really. Honestly, I can't recall any example I've ever seen.

Interesting.  Fantasy and Sci-Fi are my two main genres, so I'll try to keep that in mind when I'm looking for something new to read.

I don't know if a movie could do it.  The entire thing would have to be shot POV, of course, but that's not all it takes to convince the viewer that it's happening to them.  They have to "feel" it.  They have to be thinking what you want them to think, be confused when they're supposed to be confused, figure things out when they're supposed to figure them out, etc, and that all takes some very careful directing.  I'm sure it's been attempted (outside of the world of porn, that is), but I can't think of any mainstream examples.

Beat me to the punch.   So to speak.

[hefdaddy42]

I'll have to think about it a bit, since I'm terrible at that kind of thing, but I don't think this is all that rare, to be honest.

The Great Gatsby is structured like this, I believe.   As is Wuthering Heights.

I think the idea is that it IS in the first person, since that narrator isn't always reliable, and that unreliability is theirs and theirs alone.

Yeah, it IS rare.  The overwhelming majority of fiction is written in 1st or 3rd person.

Gatsby is 1st person.  Wuthering Heights uses 2 points of view.  One is 1st person, one is 3rd.

The only film I can think of that I would describe as 2nd person is Hardcore Henry.  But lots of video games could be described that way.

[Stadler]

I'll have to think about it a bit, since I'm terrible at that kind of thing, but I don't think this is all that rare, to be honest.

The Great Gatsby is structured like this, I believe.   As is Wuthering Heights.

I think the idea is that it IS in the first person, since that narrator isn't always reliable, and that unreliability is theirs and theirs alone.

Yeah, it IS rare.  The overwhelming majority of fiction is written in 1st or 3rd person.

Gatsby is 1st person.  Wuthering Heights uses 2 points of view.  One is 1st person, one is 3rd.

The only film I can think of that I would describe as 2nd person is Hardcore Henry.  But lots of video games could be described that way.

Not just you, but for a couple people here: go back to Obert's post #7473.  He CLEARLY was distinguishing between "first person, main character", and "first person but NOT the main character".  And he called that "second person".  Now, I don't ACTUALLY think that's "second person" - you yourself gave a good example of what is truly "second person" - but we're talking about a very specific kind of "first person", and I'm using Obert's terminology.

Gatsby is first person, but it's NICK, not GATSBY.  That's what Orbert was asking about.   I haven't read Wuthering Heights in a dog's age (I maybe never finished it, but that's unusual for me, so I doubt it) but isn't Heathcliff the main character?  And isn't the narrator one of the servants?

[Orbert]

Stadler gets it.  I tend to write with lots of detail, to make sure I explain exactly what I'm trying to convey.  This causes people to skim through what I've written, miss the detail, and come to the wrong conclusions anyway ().  Of course I know the difference between first and third person voice, and the definitions of each.  But in junior high, I had never heard of second person, so I theorized that it was similar to first person, just not from the protagonist's point of view.  That's it.  But Thank You to everyone who explained to me what first person and third person voice are.

[hefdaddy42]

I'll have to think about it a bit, since I'm terrible at that kind of thing, but I don't think this is all that rare, to be honest.

The Great Gatsby is structured like this, I believe.   As is Wuthering Heights.

I think the idea is that it IS in the first person, since that narrator isn't always reliable, and that unreliability is theirs and theirs alone.

Yeah, it IS rare.  The overwhelming majority of fiction is written in 1st or 3rd person.

Gatsby is 1st person.  Wuthering Heights uses 2 points of view.  One is 1st person, one is 3rd.

The only film I can think of that I would describe as 2nd person is Hardcore Henry.  But lots of video games could be described that way.

Not just you, but for a couple people here: go back to Obert's post #7473.  He CLEARLY was distinguishing between "first person, main character", and "first person but NOT the main character".  And he called that "second person".  Now, I don't ACTUALLY think that's "second person" - you yourself gave a good example of what is truly "second person" - but we're talking about a very specific kind of "first person", and I'm using Obert's terminology.

Gatsby is first person, but it's NICK, not GATSBY.  That's what Orbert was asking about.   I haven't read Wuthering Heights in a dog's age (I maybe never finished it, but that's unusual for me, so I doubt it) but isn't Heathcliff the main character?  And isn't the narrator one of the servants?

Yes to all of that, but where I was coming from was your statement "I don't think this is all that rare, to be honest."  Which made me think of me saying how rare 2nd person is.  Those are the dots I connected.

My bad.

To the point about 1st person, but from the POV of a secondary character instead of the main character, you're right, that's not all that rare. 

I'll do better next time.

[ozzy554]

The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh (1971). Pretty good Giallo and the first in the genre by Sergio Martino. Not going to be one of my favorite movies of this type but enjoyable.

[NoseofNicko]

The Strange Vice of Mrs. Wardh (1971). Pretty good Giallo and the first in the genre by Sergio Martino. Not going to be one of my favorite movies of this type but enjoyable.

I haven’t seen that one but I want to. Edwige Fenech was insanely hot.

[Stadler]

Now THAT was a rewarding Google. 

[jjrock88]

Speed 1 and Speed 2

You cannot deny that Speed is an awesome movie and has stood the test of time.  You also can't deny that Speed 2 hasn't stood the test of time as being pure garbage and isn't a must watch based on how bad it is.  Watch both    But I still enjoyed Speed 2!

[pg1067]

Speed 1 and Speed 2

You cannot deny that Speed is an awesome movie and has stood the test of time.  You also can't deny that Speed 2 hasn't stood the test of time as being pure garbage and isn't a must watch based on how bad it is.  Watch both    But I still enjoyed Speed 2!

I own Speed on DVD, although I can't recall the last time I watched it.  It's awesome, BUT...

1.  For someone familiar with the greater Los Angeles are and its freeways, the geographical inaccuracies and impossibilities are distracting.  There is just no way in hell that a city bus gets from the Lincoln Avenue onramp to the 10 East to the 105 West** and (inexplicably) into LAX, all while maintaining a speed >50mph, in morning rush-hour traffic.

2.  The bus jump -- as iconic as it is -- is so badly done.  The gap in the 105, which didn't actually exist, is clearly shown as being a flat gap (i.e., the takeoff and landing points are at the same altitude) (0:12 of the video linked below).  Although the freeway slightly inclines up shortly before the gap, it levels off at the curve right before the gap.  Unlike Speed Racer's Mach 5, the bus is not equipped with any sort of mechanism that might aid in the jump.  Nor is there a ramp at the takeoff point.  At 1:06-1:08 of the video, it is clearly shown that there is NOTHING at the takeoff point.  However, at 1:11, there is a pile of lumber shown at the takeoff point, and the front of the bus is miraculously propelled upwards at the 1:12 mark.  This lift is so extreme that, at its apex, the front of the bus is a good 15-20 feet ABOVE the takeoff point.  This lift, however, doesn't carry to the back of the bus, which actually drops -- significantly (1:14 of the video).  Also, the bus clearly tilts to the right.

Thus, the reality is that the bus not only would never have made the jump, it wouldn't have come close and simply would have plummeted onto the ground below the gap in a fiery explosion (unless the crash itself disabled the bomb before it the wheels stopped spinning at 50mph+).

It was iconic and was a great moment on the big screen, but that particular bit of special effects never did withstand scrutiny.  Since the gap was a creation of the special effects crew in the first instance, I don't know why they didn't lay things out differently so that the jump wasn't so obviously unrealistic.


** - Fun (or not so fun) fact:  The childhood homes of the Wilson brothers (Beach Boys), Ron McGovney (pre-Kill 'Em All Metallica) and Richard and Karen Carpenter were all taken through eminent domain and destroyed for the construction of the 105.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKJa-KQNjQU

[jjrock88]

Interesting insight 

[MirrorMask]

So, watched Chinatown after all. Kinda misleading title, I expected a clash of cultures with seedy dealings happening in Chinatown, but that part of the town was just shown in the last 5 minutes of the film 

It was a good one anyway, I guess this is one movies that cemented the "private investigator in an office where the femme fatale arrives" trope. And what a sucker punch of an ending, which I assume is what made the movie famous along with its ending line...

[Podaar]

The Devil All the Time

Holy, eff.

[pg1067]

The Empire Strikes Back!  40th anniversary!

AT A THEATER!!!

A $5 ticket to sit in a cushy recliner with no one seated on either side of me.

The only downside was that the theater didn't have Reese's Pieces to go with my popcorn.

[King Postwhore]

My cousin went. 3 people in the theater. It was the 1st showing of the day but that is still a little shocking.

How many was at the theater pg?

[El Barto]

My cousin went. 3 people in the theater. It was the 1st showing of the day but that is still a little shocking.

How many was at the theater pg?

I just checked the theater down the street from me and none of the seats are sold for the showing 57 from now.

[Cool Chris]

The Empire Strikes Back!  40th anniversary!

AT A THEATER!!!

What version was it?

[lordxizor]

My cousin went. 3 people in the theater. It was the 1st showing of the day but that is still a little shocking.

How many was at the theater pg?

I just checked the theater down the street from me and none of the seats are sold for the showing 57 from now.

why would anyone buy a seat in advance right now when you can walk up 5 minutes before and know that there will only be a few others there. There are usually fees involved with reserving tickets online. But yeah... I'm sure most theaters are pretty dead. I would like to go to Tenet this week. We'll see if my schedule allows

[El Barto]

My cousin went. 3 people in the theater. It was the 1st showing of the day but that is still a little shocking.

How many was at the theater pg?

I just checked the theater down the street from me and none of the seats are sold for the showing 57 from now.

why would anyone buy a seat in advance right now when you can walk up 5 minutes before and know that there will only be a few others there. There are usually fees involved with reserving tickets online. But yeah... I'm sure most theaters are pretty dead. I would like to go to Tenet this week. We'll see if my schedule allows

Because you can choose the middle seat right behind the aisle separating the front and back of the theater. And once you buy it they'll DQ the seats all around you for social distancing. My question is why somebody wouldn't. Getting the best seat in the house is worth a couple of bucks ($1.15 for this show).

[hefdaddy42]

Bridge of Spies, Spielberg's 2015 film about Cold War-era spy shenanigans involving, among other things, a shot-down U2 spy plane.

Very well done.  Great cast (Tom Hanks, Mark Rylance), and great work throughout.  Would recommend.

[MirrorMask]

Bridge of Spies, Spielberg's 2015 film about Cold War-era spy shenanigans involving, among other things, a shot-down U2 spy plane.

Very well done.  Great cast (Tom Hanks, Mark Rylance), and great work throughout.  Would recommend.

I reccomend it as well. Fnatastic movie, very gripping.

[Cool Chris]

Thirded. I enjoyed it at well. My dad said the book that inspired it was a great read.

[pg1067]

My cousin went. 3 people in the theater. It was the 1st showing of the day but that is still a little shocking.

How many was at the theater pg?

The front section was empty (I think), but there were at least 12-15 people -- pretty close to as many as would fit given the "social distancing" rules.  There was a group of four or five in the row in front of me and I think two groups of two in my row to the left of me.  There were three empty seats to my right, next to the aisle.

The Empire Strikes Back!  40th anniversary!

AT A THEATER!!!

What version was it?

I don't entirely remember all of the differences between versions.  I know there's a ton of added stuff in ANH, and the fucked up the final scene of ROTJ, but I don't recall many differences in ESB.  The only one I recall is that some of the establishing shots in the cloud city have added detail, including one that shows Leia in a room right before Han walks in and then Lando takes them to see Vader.  So...I guess that's the enhanced version?

Because you can choose the middle seat right behind the aisle separating the front and back of the theater. And once you buy it they'll DQ the seats all around you for social distancing. My question is why somebody wouldn't. Getting the best seat in the house is worth a couple of bucks ($1.15 for this show).

Exactly.  I spent $5 for the ticket plus a dollar for the convenience of choosing my seat.  I haven't been to a movie where I couldn't choose my seat in years and won't likely ever do it again.  It is absolutely worth the service charge to know exactly what you're getting in advance (and, while I was flying solo for this one, this is even more important with a group of 4).

[ozzy554]

jaws 5: Cruel Jaws........I spent 35 dollars on this novelty to have on my movie shelf

[Kotowboy]

Jaws is 45 this year.


No other shark movie i've ever seen has come anywhere close. And Quint's death is still one of the most shocking deaths in cinema.

[Cool Chris]

No other shark movie i've ever seen has come anywhere close.

I've seen, maybe, 1 other shark movie, and heard of no more than 5. Is it that big of a genre I am missing out on?

When all is said and done with Spielberg's career, Jaws might be his crowning achievement, considering his age at the time, the challenges the crew faced, and how it helped shape the box office landscape of the 70s and the motion picture industry for decades.

[Kotowboy]

Deep Blue Sea was shocking. The Meg was fun and all the ShartNado films are atrocious.