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« Reply #3185 on: July 10, 2019, 10:43:35 PM »
DEFENDERS SPOILERS

OK, finished it last night.  So...I didn't realize that Danny actually opened the lock at the end of the last episode.  That fact alone makes everything else that happened just seem so...dumb.  There was a lot in this episode and series that I want to like, but man, this fact alone really takes me out of the moment.  And it also makes other deficiencies in the story stand out more (again, mostly involving Danny, such a his severely deficient fighting prowess, given that he trained for over a decade and underwent the trial to become an Iron Fist).  I'm actually kind of annoyed, because I feel like I invested a lot of time into something with a really poor payoff. 

Anyhow, the big fight scenes underground were cool.  Colleen taking out Bakuto was terrific justice.  Karen was great, as always.  JJ was probably my favorite character in this.  Pretty much every moment with her onscreen was gold.  But I dunno.  There were definitely some really cool moments.  But for every one of those, there was something dragging the whole thing down, too. 

I just remember thinking that Defenders felt rushed, like they didnít have enough time to actually write a coherent/cohesive story, and I agree with your criticisms about it, it had such a poor payoff.
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« Reply #3186 on: July 12, 2019, 02:34:10 PM »
Few quick random MCU thoughts, I'll keep the Spider-Man spoiler thoughts in small text. I assume soon enough we can just discuss it.


1) The defenders characters. They go back to Marvel in 2 years or so. Should they recast and just be blatant that the Netflix stuff never existed in MCU or keep the same actors? Personally, I would love those actors making appearances. They don't need their own movies necessarily, but some appearances would be cool.

2) What do people think Phase 4 will be? Obviously Black Widow movie, GOTG 3 and stuff, but what about the less obvious? They will likely announce a lot next week, but any predictions beyond the obvious?

3) So Fury was a Skrull in Spider-Man, and then we see the real fury. We never saw the real Maria Hill..........is there even a real Maria Hill? Any thoughts on Maria Hill ALWAYS having been a Skrull?

4) So did Spider-Man confirm that Cap is legit dead? People seem to be skipping over that part.

5) I hope the intensity and amazingness of the mid-credits scene in Far From Home doesn't make people forget the rest of the movie. The movie itself was amazing. But almost all of the discussion is entirely about the JJJ reveal and stuff.
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« Reply #3187 on: July 12, 2019, 03:35:28 PM »
I thoroughly enjoyed Far From Home. I liked Homecoming, but for me personally this was far superior. The post credit scenes are both integral to the film itself, I like how both make you rethink the film in certain aspects. Good villain as well, and I thought the twists were well done. And my hats of to the cgi artists, this film is one of the best looking MCU films.

I think Tom Holland is the best on screen Spider-Man by a huge margin btw.



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« Reply #3188 on: July 12, 2019, 03:39:03 PM »
I thought Shang-Chi was confirmed in development for phase 4 too? I can't wait to see what Marvel does with a martial arts flick. I don't know anything about it but I've said for a while it would be cool if they got people who did the Ong-Bak films and that kinda stuff because the action is just insane in those films.
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« Reply #3189 on: July 12, 2019, 05:06:49 PM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

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« Reply #3190 on: July 12, 2019, 05:37:17 PM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.
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« Reply #3191 on: July 12, 2019, 06:25:39 PM »
I thoroughly enjoyed Far From Home. I liked Homecoming, but for me personally this was far superior. The post credit scenes are both integral to the film itself, I like how both make you rethink the film in certain aspects. Good villain as well, and I thought the twists were well done. And my hats of to the cgi artists, this film is one of the best looking MCU films.

I think Tom Holland is the best on screen Spider-Man by a huge margin btw.



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I guess the villain was ok, but then again it was at least the 3rd time the villain was a disgruntled Stark employee.

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« Reply #3192 on: July 12, 2019, 09:19:41 PM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

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« Reply #3193 on: July 12, 2019, 09:24:46 PM »
I think they got *there* way too fast. I mean, they obviously wouldn't have done it if they didn't already have the outcome planned in advance, but I feel like they could've done at least a third movie, developing more the character in a different way, before going that route at the end of the second movie.

Yes, I'm keeping the post really vague because I don't want to spoil anything.
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« Reply #3194 on: July 12, 2019, 09:34:19 PM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

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« Reply #3195 on: July 13, 2019, 04:55:50 AM »
I think they got *there* way too fast. I mean, they obviously wouldn't have done it if they didn't already have the outcome planned in advance, but I feel like they could've done at least a third movie, developing more the character in a different way, before going that route at the end of the second movie.

But here's the thing... *that* topic from the mid-credits scene was a key part of Mysterio's storyline in the comics, so it made absolute sense to have it with this movie.  And Adami's 2nd point is the life mission of *that* other person.

IMO, the mid-credits scene was absolute perfection.
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« Reply #3196 on: July 13, 2019, 08:35:55 AM »
I think they got *there* way too fast. I mean, they obviously wouldn't have done it if they didn't already have the outcome planned in advance, but I feel like they could've done at least a third movie, developing more the character in a different way, before going that route at the end of the second movie.

But here's the thing... *that* topic from the mid-credits scene was a key part of Mysterio's storyline in the comics, so it made absolute sense to have it with this movie.  And Adami's 2nd point is the life mission of *that* other person.

IMO, the mid-credits scene was absolute perfection.

Well, youíre right, I guess I just didnít see it coming and have no idea how theyíll find a new ďnormalĒ for the character afterwards. But theyíll totally manage to ďfixĒ that, for sure.
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« Reply #3197 on: July 13, 2019, 09:23:21 AM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.

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« Reply #3198 on: July 13, 2019, 09:41:59 AM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.

The May is dating thing was just a cute setup, the whole point of the first post-credit scene is that Spider-Man is now framed for the murder of the "hero" Mysterio and that he ordered the drone attacks. And his identity was revealed to the public. This likely means that Peter Parker/Spider-Man will become a major fugutive in the next film or next Avengers. And just his identity being known means his whole social life will drastically change. Traditionally Spider-Man is a kid/student trying to balance a normal life with superhero stuff, with all the moral challenges that come with it. This twist takes away that dynamic and will present Peter with challenges that have not been explored in all of those Spidey films.

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« Reply #3199 on: July 13, 2019, 09:50:38 AM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.

The May is dating thing was just a cute setup, the whole point of the first post-credit scene is that Spider-Man is now framed for the murder of the "hero" Mysterio and that he ordered the drone attacks. And his identity was revealed to the public. This likely means that Peter Parker/Spider-Man will become a major fugutive in the next film or next Avengers. And just his identity being known means his whole social life will drastically change. Traditionally Spider-Man is a kid/student trying to balance a normal life with superhero stuff, with all the moral challenges that come with it. This twist takes away that dynamic and will present Peter with challenges that have not been explored in all of those Spidey films.

Yeah, that's definitely more of a game-changer.  So the scene I thought was mid-credits was at the end of the movie proper?  One last chuckle before the credits roll?

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« Reply #3200 on: July 13, 2019, 10:05:15 AM »
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« Reply #3201 on: July 13, 2019, 12:42:29 PM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

Okay, I'm apparently completely fucked up on which scenes are which.

I thought the mid-credits scene was Happy is or is not dating Aunt May. Cute and fluffy, but not critical.

and the post-credits scene was Fury and Hill were Skrulls the whole time.  Somewhat more interesting.

but I also remember The Daily Bugle and JJJ now.  I'd forgotten about that.  But there were only two "extra" scenes, so I'm way confused.  Reality no longer has any meaning.  Time and space are meaningless human constructs created in a futile attempt to impose order on a chaotic universe.  And on top of all that, we're out of peanut butter.  What the fuck.

The May is dating thing was just a cute setup, the whole point of the first post-credit scene is that Spider-Man is now framed for the murder of the "hero" Mysterio and that he ordered the drone attacks. And his identity was revealed to the public. This likely means that Peter Parker/Spider-Man will become a major fugutive in the next film or next Avengers. And just his identity being known means his whole social life will drastically change. Traditionally Spider-Man is a kid/student trying to balance a normal life with superhero stuff, with all the moral challenges that come with it. This twist takes away that dynamic and will present Peter with challenges that have not been explored in all of those Spidey films.

Exactly.
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« Reply #3202 on: July 14, 2019, 05:16:28 PM »
So watched Deadpool 2 again for like the severalth time.

Spoliers below obviously...

I cannot believe I never caught the shot of Juggernaut coming out of the pool right as the gang walk past the camera at the very end scene just before the credits start rolling.

I wonder what is going to happen with Deadpool's movie treatment, not sure if the X-force movie is still happening.
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« Reply #3203 on: July 14, 2019, 11:00:05 PM »
Didn't see a thread for it so I'm just posting in here... FINALLY saw Into the Spider-verse tonight. Holy cow, that blew away my expectations. Extremely entertaining movie, and the last 30 minutes was some of the most colorful stuff I've seen on screen. It was almost too much at times, but in a good way, the most comic book-y animated film I've ever seen. So good I might even pick it up on Blu-ray.
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« Reply #3204 on: July 15, 2019, 05:33:10 AM »
I bought the blu-ray of Spider-verse, it's totally worth it. The extras are great and there's a commentary on the main movie track. There is a bonus alternate universe mode as well that includes the movie with outtakes and other bits and pieces. My biggest regret is not watching the movie in the theater, it would've been an amazing experience.
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« Reply #3205 on: July 15, 2019, 07:57:47 AM »
Oh yeah, the mid-credits scene from Far From Home.  Fun.  I don't know if it's super-critical to the ongoing story arcs, but it was a good scene.

Ummmm itís super important to Spider-Mans story arc.

I honestly can't see how, but I guess we'll see.  I thought it was an amusing scene, but basically fluff.

1. The whole world knows that Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Life is forever changed.
2. The whole world thinks that Spider-Man is a murderous villain. Life is ruined.


Seems pretty important.

1. This could easily be explained away with the use of the Skrulls. Have a scene with a skrull posing as Peter Parker and have the real Spidey swing by (or be in another place) or maybe it's a hallucination or something. I wouldn't even be surprised by the time we get to the next Spidey movie if this was resolved off screen in between movies.
2. Spider-Man having the world against him isn't really that weird I mean it's kinda his thing that he helps people even though many of them fear him or see him as a villain.



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« Reply #3206 on: July 15, 2019, 09:15:52 PM »
Just saw Homecoming. Liked it, but not as much as most of you.

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« Reply #3207 on: July 15, 2019, 10:33:18 PM »
Just saw Homecoming. Liked it, but not as much as most of you.


Wait. ....Homecoming? 

You just saw the first one that came out 2 years ago?
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Sorry, I meant Far From Home*. So, here is what I liked:

- Graphics were really cool. I liked the direction they went to with the story. At first I thought the whole "Alternate universe" thing was gonna be real, but I am glad it was not. Both of the pots credit scenes were great, Specially the one with Fury hinting at whats coming next. Ned was hilarious in this movie.

Here is what I did not like:

- As cool as the graphics were, at times the CGI looked bad. I understand this is its own movie, but it did not feel like a good follow up to end game, and except for the airplane scene, you didn't really feel the trauma/pain Peter was going through. They could've done a lot more with the snap and people that came back, but instead the made it into a cheap joke.

Overall a good movie, I enjoyed it. I am just nitpicking here.

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