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« Reply #1435 on: January 31, 2023, 12:22:12 PM »
Only thing I need to hear is that "The Joker" and Matt Reeves' Batman saga remain standalone, and not part of the future DCU. Matt Reeves' Batman movies are what interests me the most. I loved "The Batman", and it's almost on par with Chris Nolan's batman trilogy IMO.

I wish good luck to James Gunn. Previous DCEU was a clusterfuck, and only 2 movies I genuinely liked were the first Wonder Woman and James Gunn's Suicide Squad.

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« Reply #1436 on: January 31, 2023, 12:28:38 PM »
If you follow James Gunn on Twitter, he released a tweet video of him talking about all the new movies, TV shows & video games all tie together in the DC universe.
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« Reply #1437 on: January 31, 2023, 12:33:06 PM »
Only thing I need to hear is that "The Joker" and Matt Reeves' Batman saga remain standalone, and not part of the future DCU. Matt Reeves' Batman movies are what interests me the most. I loved "The Batman", and it's almost on par with Chris Nolan's batman trilogy IMO.


They have announced that movies like The Batman and The Joker, which are outside the regular continuity, will be released under the DC Elseworlds label.

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« Reply #1438 on: January 31, 2023, 01:16:41 PM »
Love that they are using the Elseworlds label for stuff outside of normal continuity.

Not all of these are my favorite choices, and I am not sure I understand Lanterns or the appeal of such a thing at all, but this will benefit from all of the DC output being governed by a unified vision a la the MCU and Kevin Feige.  This is the first I've been excited about upcoming DC products in a long, long time.
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« Reply #1439 on: February 01, 2023, 05:34:23 AM »
I hope it works out for Gunn & DC, but I am not very hopeful.
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« Reply #1440 on: February 01, 2023, 08:23:42 AM »
I was a DC kid growing up - Green Lantern is my favorite character, followed by the '70s Batman - but man, have they fucked this up royally.  I can't believe they moved on from Henry Cavill as Superman, and I actually LIKED Affleck's Batman.  That fight scene in Batman v. Superman is still my favorite fight scene EVER.

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« Reply #1441 on: February 01, 2023, 08:25:12 AM »
Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?

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« Reply #1442 on: February 01, 2023, 08:26:34 AM »
Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?

No; I'm talking the scene where Batman was trying to get to Martha Kent and took on that whole gang.  It wasn't the fight between Supes and Batman, but the other one.  :) :) :)

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« Reply #1443 on: February 01, 2023, 08:30:21 AM »
Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?

No; I'm talking the scene where Batman was trying to get to Martha Kent and took on that whole gang.  It wasn't the fight between Supes and Batman, but the other one.  :) :) :)

I saw the movie once. I don't remember liking it at all. I have no recollection of anything other than one hitting the other with a toiler or sink and then Doomsday killing Superman and the whole "is she with you?" "No, thought she was with you" said by the guy who just sent for her. Not gonna rewatch it, but I trust that it's a cool scene.
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« Reply #1444 on: February 01, 2023, 08:44:52 AM »
Wasn't one of them beating the other with a toilet or sink or something?

No; I'm talking the scene where Batman was trying to get to Martha Kent and took on that whole gang.  It wasn't the fight between Supes and Batman, but the other one.  :) :) :)
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« Reply #1445 on: February 01, 2023, 08:57:43 AM »
https://youtu.be/m7GWGLkPepU

I'm here for you.  Though I will say, it's WAY better on a big screen in a dark room than on a friggin' Safari browser in a 6" by 4" window.  I was playing a lot of Batman Arkham at the time and the fight choreography was very reminiscent of that.

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« Reply #1446 on: February 01, 2023, 09:42:31 AM »
I actually enjoyed the 3 hour version of that movie a lot more. That fight scene Stadler is referencing is great.
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« Reply #1447 on: February 01, 2023, 09:44:26 AM »
I was bored to tears with the original Justice League release. Then I remember they released the 67 hour black and white artsy Snyder version. I watched it with candy and comfort food, expecting to hate it.

But man...not bad! It's too long and dark to rewatch much, but definitely the best of the Snyder releases in the DCEU.
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« Reply #1448 on: February 01, 2023, 10:06:58 AM »
I was bored to tears with the original Justice League release. Then I remember they released the 67 hour black and white artsy Snyder version. I watched it with candy and comfort food, expecting to hate it.

But man...not bad! It's too long and dark to rewatch much, but definitely the best of the Snyder releases in the DCEU.
I agree, the really long reissue was much better than the original release.  But I didn't watch it in B&W, I watched the first color release.

Still not great, but not the trainwreck that was the theatrical release.
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« Reply #1449 on: February 01, 2023, 10:30:00 AM »
Lol it wasn't in B&W, but I get the sentiment. It was darkly graded and even daytime looked like night. I really enjoyed the 4 hour version of Justice League, it had a lot of good things in it.
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« Reply #1450 on: February 01, 2023, 10:34:39 AM »
Actually, I think it was in color, but in 4:3 ratio.

But there is definitely a B&W version available.
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« Reply #1451 on: February 01, 2023, 10:37:44 AM »
I had forgotten they did a B&W version too, they didn't release it on bluray I think it was only on HBO. It does have the 4:3 ratio which I thought worked really well for the movie.
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« Reply #1452 on: February 01, 2023, 04:26:57 PM »
I was extremely underwhelmed by the DC announcement. I really hope it all works out but there wasn't much to get excited about. However, I was also very underwhelmed by the announcement of a Peacemaker tv show and that show was absolutely awesome so I have faith in James Gunn.

I am really happy that we will get The Batman 2, as I absolutely loved The Batman and thought Robert Pattinson was great. However the fact that the Pattinson Batman continues outside of the main DC universe which will have its own Batman just doesn't really work for me. I think this kind of approach only confuses things for the casual movie fan.


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« Reply #1453 on: February 01, 2023, 05:09:35 PM »
It's not that hard. Movies like The Batman are now known as the Elsewhere Universe. It's not that confusing. 
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« Reply #1454 on: February 01, 2023, 07:46:28 PM »
It's not that hard. Movies like The Batman are now known as the Elsewhere Universe. It's not that confusing.

But just confusing enough to not call it "Elseworlds", which is what it is, and is basically DC's version of Marvel's What If...? comics. Basically alternate re-tellings of characters' stories.

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« Reply #1455 on: February 01, 2023, 08:29:07 PM »
It's not that hard. Movies like The Batman are now known as the Elsewhere Universe. It's not that confusing.

I'm not saying it is hard but for the general moviegoer who knows nothing about comic books etc it is confusing and I believe this approach harms the brand.

It is my opinion that this probably isn't the preferred approach Gunn wants to take, but from a studio perspective both Joker and The Batman were huge successes and sequels have already been greenlit. To make it work these films have been branded as 'Elseworlds' which the general movie going public won't understand and won't care about. All they will care about is having to see yet another take on Batman on screen when the new Batman movie in the main DC universe comes out.

I really hope it all works out.


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« Reply #1456 on: February 02, 2023, 04:28:01 AM »
They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are. 
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« Reply #1457 on: February 02, 2023, 07:59:55 AM »
They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are.
It doesn't have anything to do with "legal".
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« Reply #1458 on: February 02, 2023, 08:09:25 AM »
They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are.
It doesn't have anything to do with "legal".

Well, Warner Brother has contracts with DC and not the DC studios to they must have contracts.  I know like Marvel, other studios had the rights to Spiderman and the Fantastic 4 so Marvel had to work out a deal to be able to make the movies.  I'd assume the same with some of the DC characters.
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« Reply #1459 on: February 02, 2023, 08:15:50 AM »
They legally can't stop it. That's why they are labeling like they are.
It doesn't have anything to do with "legal".

Well, Warner Brother has contracts with DC and not the DC studios to they must have contracts.  I know like Marvel, other studios had the rights to Spiderman and the Fantastic 4 so Marvel had to work out a deal to be able to make the movies.  I'd assume the same with some of the DC characters.
That's not the case.  Warner brothers doesn't have contracts with DC.  Warner Brothers is the corporate owner of DC comics.  They have always held all film rights to DC characters. 

They are doing it this way just because they want to.  They want Reeves and Pattinson to be able to make their Batman stuff, and Phillips and Phoenix to make their Joker stuff, without being hampered or tied down by each other's products or any overarching "universe".  They are FINALLY using the Elseworlds tag for such endeavors, which they should have already been using.

And this way, they can also have a Batman to interact with other DC characters as they build out this new version of their universe.  It's the best of both worlds, and mirrors, in a way, how the publishing side is already set up.
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« Reply #1460 on: February 02, 2023, 08:53:48 AM »
Win win then.  No issues getting characters like Marvel.  I always thought they missed out with the Fantastic 4 with the early phases. They were my favorite Marvel characters as a kid.
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« Reply #1461 on: February 02, 2023, 09:06:58 AM »
Win win then.  No issues getting characters like Marvel.  I always thought they missed out with the Fantastic 4 with the early phases. They were my favorite Marvel characters as a kid.

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« Reply #1462 on: February 02, 2023, 09:32:55 AM »
But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure
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« Reply #1463 on: February 02, 2023, 09:39:50 AM »
But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure

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« Reply #1464 on: February 02, 2023, 09:42:45 AM »
But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure

Not made by Marvel though.  I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.
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« Reply #1465 on: February 02, 2023, 10:12:39 AM »
But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure

Not made by Marvel though.  I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.

Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.

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« Reply #1466 on: February 02, 2023, 10:14:40 AM »
But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure

Not made by Marvel though.  I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.

Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.

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I wouldn't word it that way.  No one involved in the actual creation of comics ever had any say.

I think the corporate body that had any say was Marvel Entertainment.  But they basically rubber-stamped everything.  I'm not sure how much say they really had at all beyond very broad strokes (Character X cannot do these things, etc) once the film rights were sold.
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« Reply #1467 on: February 02, 2023, 11:11:52 AM »
But there's been three Fantastic 4 movies, all three of them were...not great. I hope the MCU does a better job in the upcoming film, but given the track record for F4, not so sure

Not made by Marvel though.  I'm talking the whole MCU timeline.

Not made by Marvel Studios. Marvel Comics still had some hand in the creation of all non-MCU Marvel films.

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I wouldn't word it that way.  No one involved in the actual creation of comics ever had any say.

I think the corporate body that had any say was Marvel Entertainment.  But they basically rubber-stamped everything.  I'm not sure how much say they really had at all beyond very broad strokes (Character X cannot do these things, etc) once the film rights were sold.

Fair, but Kevin Feige was an associate/executive producer on a LOT of pre-MCU films.
X-Men   Associate producer
Spider-Man   Associate producer
Daredevil   Co-producer
X2   Co-producer
Hulk   Executive producer
The Punisher   Executive producer
Spider-Man 2   Executive producer
Man-Thing   Executive producer
Elektra   Co-producer
Fantastic Four   Executive producer
X-Men: The Last Stand   Executive producer
Spider-Man 3   Executive producer
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer   Executive producer
Punisher: War Zone   Executive producer
The Amazing Spider-Man   Executive producer

I'd say it was a bit more than just "rubber stamping" films and giving studios the OK. Marvel had SOME influence and say in how the films went, for better or for worse.

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« Reply #1468 on: February 02, 2023, 11:15:49 AM »
I wanted to see the Fantastic 4 in the MCU.  Intertwined with other superheros.  Not a stand alone movie.  That's all I was trying to get at.
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« Reply #1469 on: February 02, 2023, 11:51:12 AM »
You guys all know a lot more about this stuff than I do, but in the comics, the FF4 was sort of the flagship.  First, I noted a very different tone to the movies from the comics, and then between the movies they seemed to shift tone as well. It felt... not disrespectful, really, but sort of slap dash in a way that I don't think the original property really deserved.