The DC Movies Thread v AQUAMAN

[The Trooper]

https://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/batman-v-superman-box-office-2-1201739996/

Brings in $424 Million globally

[orcus116]

Half In The Bag review Dawn Of Justice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGsrMaxx8N4

Rich's audio in the theater was great.

https://variety.com/2016/film/box-office/batman-v-superman-box-office-2-1201739996/

Brings in $424 Million globally

I fear this means Snyder gets to make more movies.

[BlackInk]

I'm fine with that. The only thing I feel he needs to change is just to calm down a little. Just becuase all the action isn't happening at lightspeed and all at once doesn't mean it's not exciting. Other than that I'm fine with what he's done for the DCU.

[Phoenix87x]

Just got back...

Kill me

I don't even know what to say or where to begin. I will start of with what I liked i guess, which was Ben Affleck as batman. Really enjoyed him and felt it was a decent performance.

What I didn't like was pretty much everything else. The story was a mess, jammed packed with too many characters, and it was all over the place. It was WAY too long. The two and a half hour run time didn't do it any favor. Nothing made sense, And for the love of fucking god, Jessie Eisenberg... doing something so absolutely absurd, I have trouble describing it in words. Whoever allowed that to get on screen needs a slap in the face. And I honestly really like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, but that in no way shape or form was Lex Luthor. It was a wild swing for the fences and missed the ball by a mile.

I really liked Man of Steel, but wasn't feelin this one.

[orcus116]

I take it that Eisenberg's looks/hair/personality/delivery combo clashed in the movie as badly as they did in the trailers?

[TioJorge]

I thought the movie was trash in almost every conceivable way, but I predicted I'd feel that way going in and watched it nearly exclusively to see Batman, and in that regard, it was pretty awesome. Really, really loved watching Batfleck on screen and enjoyed any time he was on the screen. That is literally it, anything else in the movie either annoyed me, bored me, or borenoyed me. A spectacular new emotion created by this movie in which you simultaneously yawn and become frustrated all at once. I really hope this form of the series ends here but I know it won't and the Batman fan inside me is sad about that. Like other people have said, there is a massive problem with the way this movie is shot and the way it tells its story. Action scenes were cool, but even then were at some points marred by the way they were set up and shot. The story and the way they use the characters (for the most part) is the other huge issue that made me flinch to leave the theater.

On the other hand, I would absolutely love and hope to see a full-fledge Batman film with Affleck that has distanced itself light years away from Snyder. While I didn't love MoS, I thought that it was miles better than this. Funny enough, I think I would have actually loved the film if the direction was a bit more restrained and constructed, and they took out every single character except Batman and Superman. Fuck everyone else. It would have been such a great superhero flick if they focused on the turmoil and tension of Batman and Superman; instead we got a steroid-pumped, mindless, bullshit filled "team up". I'm just not even going to get started on the antagonist, who I cannot name or talk about because I'll have an aneurysm.

It's on the comic book side but will absolutely without a doubt affect the movie end at some point in time, and is quite frankly so ridiculous that it needs to be talked about anyway... Did anyone else see the news from Wondercon that they have the incredibly amazing, brilliant idea to reveal The Joker's name and past? So pretty much all the awesome mystery about his past, the lies, manipulation and deceit that have almost exclusively formed his character's personality will be no doubt be explained in painfully, excruciating and overboard detail. That...that...I...*sigh*

[Zantera]

I take it that Eisenberg's looks/hair/personality/delivery combo clashed in the movie as badly as they did in the trailers?

Yes, maybe even worse. Like they pointed out on Half in the Bag, he really is playing the Joker and not Lex Luthor.

[faizoff]

I saw the movie and I can completely agree with pretty much all the criticisms written out there. I understand how the critics completely blasted this movie. However, like Man of Steel, I really enjoyed it even with all the problems it has. Definitely the pacing is very wonky, the story telling is all over the place and several things are shoe horned in and the movie really shouldn't have been a Justice league setup with such rapid succession. The half in the bag review nails pretty much all the problems it had and yet honestly I can overlook several of the issue and still find it enjoyable. I'm not a huge comic book reader, haven't read any comics in forever but was aware of the doomsday comic issue. Having not watched the trailers I was surprised by it's inclusion.

I am curious how the DC universe unfolds and how all the characters tie-in together.

[Kotowboy]

I actually didn't HATE the movie. But i didn't really flat out enjoy it.

I watched it and wasn't bored or annoyed or amused by its messiness.

My bro and I agree the MOS recap was great and everything from doomsday on was terrible.

[BlackInk]

I'm not a huge comic book reader, haven't read any comics in forever but was aware of the doomsday comic issue. Having not watched the trailers I was surprised by it's inclusion.

Lucky you. I didn't watch any trailers either but I still got Doomsday spoiled for me. Which means that I basically got the death of Superman spoiled for me. Pisses me off.

[Kotowboy]

*SPOILER*



How do you think they'll explain Superman's resurrection ? He was buried in a grave - There's no sunlight down there. . .

[hefdaddy42]

He wasn't resurrected by sunlight when Doomsday killed him in the comics.

From interviews I've read with Snyder, he has no idea yet how they will do it.  Which doesn't surprise me.

[Kotowboy]

haha !!

I'm sure he'll think of something "cool"....

That whole ending just made me think of The Wrath Of Khan.

[Zantera]

He can continue his Jesus references with having Superman being resurrected after 3 days.

I don't know a lot about the comics/deep lore of Superman, but I know there are different kinds of Kryptonite that has different effects, is there one with healing/resurrecting powers? My first thought while watching the film when Lois was at the grave was that the wedding ring was made of white kryptonite and that it would resurrect him somehow. As stupid as that sounds, it wouldn't be the first time there's a deus ex machina like that.

[TioJorge]

I'm guessing it'll be similar to the comics in that someone will unearth his body and it will be healed by the sun or some other more nonsensical method.

Or maybe he'll just burst out of the ground, screaming "I SMELL BACON!", which is my personal go-to choice.

[Kotowboy]

Well at the end of BVS you see the dirt around the coffin beginning to rise.

[SebastianPratesi]

They'll call Gabriel and some other 1000 voices. That should be enough.

[jingle.boy]

LOTS OF SPOILERS BELOW:











I too echo a lot of the comments.  First, the bad:

Macro issues - BvS storyline was competing against the other storylines as someone (Zantera?) mentioned.  (Perry, WW, Justice League, Alexander Luthor resurrecting Zod, Lois diggin into LexCorp evil empire, government oversight)... WAY TOO MUCH GOING ON.  Eisenberg.. good acting job, but I didn't dig Luthor Jr. as a sociopath.  What a waste of Doomsday.  Everything about Lois was unnecessary.  Everything about the Daily Planet was unnecessary and stupid. 

Micro issues - so many to list, but these were my primary beefs (along with other beefs already listed)
- Why nuke Supe/Doomsday?  DD can't fly, so just let Supe's toss him out of the atmosphere.  Problem solved.
- Is WW's sword made of Kryptonite?  How did it chop DD's hand off?
- Way to send the "Metahuman" details over EMAIL!!!  Now Google knows all about it.  Totally unnecessary to have that scene revealing them all.  The shit that Bruce found was enough to tease it.
- Lois coming to Gotham by helicopter, and everything involving her after that was ludicrous and unnecessary - like she had to fly all the way there for HER to tell Bats that "Martha is his mother"... and that being the reason that Bats cools off is weak.
- Zod's fingerprints give Luthor the proverbial 'keys to the kingdom'?  C'mon.
- Unnecessarily throwing in the Lasso of Truth.  What was DD going to confess to?

The Good:
Macro - I think it was a good job to setup the reasons why Batman and Superman hate each other.  Acting by all was really good.  I especially loved Irons as Alfred.  He could've been used more.

Micro - final Batman fight scene (loved the gadget that kills the machine guns).  Loved how Batman isn't afraid to kill people when necessary.  Batmobile was kickass.  Action sequences were really good - with only a couple of cringe-worthy moments.

More focus on the BvS arc would've made it better.  Lose EVERYTHING with the Daily Planet, virtually everything with Lois, and make Luthor a cerebral criminal rather than a psychotic one, and I'd be much more content.

Overall though, I liked it better than MoS, and I was entertained.  7/10... a very generous 7.

[erwinrafael]

They'll call Gabriel and some other 1000 voices. That should be enough.

But he can not ressurect peoplr. He can only heal them.

[Kotowboy]

Nothing in this movie makes any sense at all


1. EVERYTHING.

[hefdaddy42]

I don't know a lot about the comics/deep lore of Superman, but I know there are different kinds of Kryptonite that has different effects, is there one with healing/resurrecting powers? My first thought while watching the film when Lois was at the grave was that the wedding ring was made of white kryptonite and that it would resurrect him somehow. As stupid as that sounds, it wouldn't be the first time there's a deus ex machina like that.

I used to have a love/hate relationship with the various kryptonites.

Green - weakens Kryptonians severely, with continued exposure eventually leading to death.  In later versions, could also prove lethal to humans over time (Luthor got cancer from a gem of Kryptonite in a ring that he wore)
Red - weakens/removes powers of Kryptonians
Blue - non-lethal to humans or Kryptonians, but affected Bizarros the same way that green Kryponite affected Kryptonians
White - kills plant life
Gold - caused Kryptonians to lose their powers

Lots of other alloys/combinations/other versions sprang up over the years, so it really got silly.  During John Byrne's revamp of Superman following Crisis on Infinite Earths, he reset things so that the only Kryptonite was green, which simplified things and just plain made more sense.  Of course, he also made Superman the only surviving Kryptonian, which also made sense.

[Zantera]

Didn't some of them show up in the show Smallville? I feel like I remember red kryptonite showing up.

[hefdaddy42]

Didn't some of them show up in the show Smallville? I feel like I remember red kryptonite showing up.

I never watched that show.  A Superman show without Superman?  It seems almost as pointless as a Batman show without Batman.

[Zantera]

Didn't some of them show up in the show Smallville? I feel like I remember red kryptonite showing up.

I never watched that show.  A Superman show without Superman?  It seems almost as pointless as a Batman show without Batman.

Superman without the costume, but still Superman! I watched some episodes here and there back in the day, it used to be on television when I got home after school. There were some cool things in that show, and I remember some classic villains like Doomsday and Brainiac showing up.

[hefdaddy42]

Nothing about that show, from concept to episode descriptions, ever made sense to me.

What sense does it make to have Doomsday and Brainiac show up before there is a Superman?

[Zantera]

I guess, but on the other hand the show ended with him getting the suit in the last episode in a show that had 10 seasons. I remember reading something about Tom Welling (who played Clark Kent) being very much against the idea of wearing the Superman suit, which strikes me as a bit weird if you sign up to play Clark Kent. But it would help explain why he didn't really become Superman until the end of the show.

[Kotowboy]

Well we've had two superman movies now without superman in...

[Zantera]

We already had 4 boring Christopher Reeve movies with him playing a heroic Superman. Now we need our Superman to have a taste for blood and be overly violent, so that we can have 2 hours of destroying the planet.

[BlackInk]

I watched all 10 seasons of Smallville (this was before I knew that TV shows could be good), and yeah there are a few different types of kryptonite in there. And some do different things in that show than what hef said.

On Smallville, red kryptonite doesn't weaken Clark, but it makes him into like a bad boy..?? I don't know, it doesn't make sense. But he puts on a ring of red k once and he becomes a biker and robs a bank.

Also on the show there's black kryptonite, which physically splits him into two Clark's, seperating the kryptonian side from the human side. Which is just retarded because there is no human side to a guy with two kryptonian parents.

I guess, but on the other hand the show ended with him getting the suit in the last episode in a show that had 10 seasons. I remember reading something about Tom Welling (who played Clark Kent) being very much against the idea of wearing the Superman suit, which strikes me as a bit weird if you sign up to play Clark Kent. But it would help explain why he didn't really become Superman until the end of the show.

Also explains why they never actually showed him in the suit. Always sort of in the distance or wierd angles, never a good clear full on view of him in it.

[hefdaddy42]

I was referencing the comics on the various kinds of kryptonite.  Doesn't surprise me that there were changes made for TV.

I mean, the whole thing just seemed silly. 

[King Postwhore]

Will they have the black outfit and the mullet that Superman had when he came back to life from the comic books.  Oh and no cape.

[Kotowboy]

Will they have the black outfit and the mullet that Superman had when he came back to life from the comic books.  Oh and no cape.

Sounds like Nic Cage would be perfect.

[King Postwhore]

Will they have the black outfit and the mullet that Superman had when he came back to life from the comic books.  Oh and no cape.

Sounds like Nic Cage would be perfect.

He would never be perfect.  At least for my tastes.

[Big Hath]

[Zantera]

Imagine the reactions in the crowd if Nic Cage bursts out of the coffin and Henry Cavill is nowhere to be found