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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #35 on: March 26, 2015, 06:07:30 PM »
For me:

f(x)="Quality of the song"
f(x)="Do my ears find it pleasurable"?

There is no variable "t=time" in that function.
I don't have a "t" variable going into a listening situation.  But if I wind up with a double album that has about 1 album worth of quality and 1 album worth of filler, I get kind of pissed off.

Fair point, and I'm with you on that to some degree ("We Can't Dance", anyone?).   I was more looking at it from the perspective of the length of the song or album as a measure of quality.

What I mean is, when Flying Colors was first being talked about, they released the song list with the times, and there were a number of posts at Mike's site that were along the lines of "Infinite Fire is going to be EPIC!!  And Blue Ocean is going to RULE!   The rest I'm sure I can take or leave."   And I'm scratching my head about how that can even be remotely accurate and not a complete crap shoot.

(And for the record, Kayla, The Storm, and Better Than Walking Away are my three favorite songs on the album). 

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2015, 07:31:40 PM »
For me:

f(x)="Quality of the song"
f(x)="Do my ears find it pleasurable"?

There is no variable "t=time" in that function.

I'm not sure if this is a response to me or not, but I will continue anyway.

For my mock equations, the quality had nothing to do with the length of the song. The equations gave the instantaneous quality at a certain time stamp. The resulting "quality" (or rather, Quality-minutes) was then divided by the length of the song to find the average quality. My post was more of a response to previous posts saying things along the lines of, "the songs both score a 9, 9/6 > 9/20, so the 6 minute song is better", than a statement correlating song length and quality.

Now, obviously the perceived quality of a song is more complex than a simple average of all its parts. The flow, structure, and other macro-level elements play a huge role here. As 6 minute and 20 minute songs have different advantages in these areas, neither is inherently better than the other.

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Fair point, and I'm with you on that to some degree ("We Can't Dance", anyone?).   I was more looking at it from the perspective of the length of the song or album as a measure of quality.

What I mean is, when Flying Colors was first being talked about, they released the song list with the times, and there were a number of posts at Mike's site that were along the lines of "Infinite Fire is going to be EPIC!!  And Blue Ocean is going to RULE!   The rest I'm sure I can take or leave."   And I'm scratching my head about how that can even be remotely accurate and not a complete crap shoot.

I definitely agree with all of this. I understand the heightened anticipation for longer songs, but judging quality by length alone is just ridiculous. To pick two extreme examples, neither Reign in Blood nor Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence feel any less complete than the other, despite the fact that one is 28 minutes and the other 98.
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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2015, 11:33:47 PM »
You guys are going about it all wrong.  Quality is predicted by the number of different guitar riffs.  Not variations, but completely different guitar riffs.  And don't try to bring keyboards into this.  We all know that is just filler/decoration/desert.

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2015, 11:49:53 PM »
what the fuck is even going on in this thread
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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2015, 11:57:57 PM »
I'm asking myself the same question about DT side in general right now. :lol
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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2015, 12:46:43 AM »
You guys are going about it all wrong.  Quality is predicted by the number of different guitar riffs.  Not variations, but completely different guitar riffs.  And don't try to bring keyboards into this.  We all know that is just filler/decoration/desert.

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2015, 01:18:21 AM »
I'm asking myself the same question about DT side in general right now. :lol
We are working out functions.  Stadler presented "do my ears find it pleasurable" and said there is no t for time to be found in his function, but he clearly forgot the e variable for Energy.

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2015, 01:21:42 AM »
Only a prog fan would try to measure how much they enjoy a song by an equation. :lol
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Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2015, 01:26:34 AM »
Only a prog fan would try to measure how much they enjoy a song by an equation. :lol

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2015, 01:28:19 AM »
:lol That should be a prog T-shirt.
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Yep. I think the only party in the MP/DT situation that hasn't moved on is DTF.

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2015, 04:11:24 AM »
:rollin
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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2015, 04:18:25 AM »
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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2015, 04:45:26 AM »
Only a prog fan would try to measure how much they enjoy a song by an equation. :lol

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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2015, 06:55:46 AM »
D2F.

More like, DTF! Dick to floor!
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« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2015, 07:03:17 AM »
What time does Mangini go to bed ?



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Re: DT & Double Albums
« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2015, 07:17:19 AM »
D2F.

More like, DTF! Dick to floor!
I must admit, I thought the same thing.
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